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mmm we should get a super nuke.

Give blm meteor

Give sch ultima!

Sounds fine to me.


Tho isnt ultima in some games more powerful.

And what is the water effect? hmm...

Aquaveil is White Magic. So it's very unlikely.

Black Magic has very few self-buffs. Pretty much sums to Klimaform, Endark, and the Spikes line. And I seriously doubt we're getting Poison Spikes <_<

Since Water is usually paired with M.Accuracy, it's likely we'll get something similar to klimaform.

Klimaform is Dark elemental, so whatever this new Water buff is it won't be Klimaform 2.

I know it's lame, but maybe a Water Spike of some kind? I really can't think of anything it would be..

Whatever this new spells are, I admit I'll be pretty disappointed if we don't get Storm II and/or Helix II spells. Both were our defining white/black magic spells, and I'd LOVE double weather and a slightly higher spell constants for the new helices.

"Some form of Klimaform II" does not equal "we're getting Klimaform II." I may be a jackass, but you're picking the wrong person to argue semantics with, so I'd just stop there.

Part of me hopes that 502 is Ultima, but Ultima from what I remember was a non-elemental spell? But it may be like Chi-blast in that it has just a elemental color of light but no actual affinity.

495 Comes off as an SCH only spell, perhaps a Non-elemental form of sleep. Maybe as suggested before it may be a form of Klimaform which boost Spell damage instead of accuracy. SCH has been taking a weird THF like turn since abyssea so it may have something to do with enmity or exchanging damage. Thinking along the lines of water which is MND and the fact that its self cast, an MDB or even a -%MDT/-%PDT spell comes to ....mind. Or, It just may be something really really really stupid.... for SCH at least...and now that I think about it, id bet its this.

"Acid Spikes"
Teaches the black magic Acid Spikes. Covers you with magical water spikes. Enemies that hit you take water damage. (The added effect would be Enemies that hit you have a chance to receive Attack Down Effect) (Sim. to Acid Bolts)

From SCH point of view the spell sucks cause who wants to get hit. But from the new THF~Enmity/PT buff mindset SCH seems to be getting, an acid bolt effect on a PLD or over WSing SAM is actually a non-overpowering yet effective spell. VERY familiar to the SE way of tossing in random new abilities.

Edited, Oct 11th 2010 10:27am by Coyoteblackzero

Bind, Gravity, Stun.. list goes on, was a stupid theory to begin with.

If I miss your point because you're not being specific enough, that's on you.



Exactly. SE has already shown us that they'll do whatever they want to maintain their vision of game balance, so any theorycrafting on the subject is ultimately useless.

A Black Magic 'light' spell...does such a spell exist already? I'm gonna bet Comet for SCH and Meteor for BLM. Then again maybe it's Ultima. A light 'Black Magic' Spell seems like the epitome of SCH which combined both BLM and WHM and Ultima has that theme(in some FF games Ultima was White Magic, in others it was Black)

Edited, Nov 7th 2010 7:22am by TheHolyDragoonSeraphus

When your interpretation of what I wrote was in fact instantly dismissable due to being wrong by common knowledge, I'd say you just weren't thinking hard enough.



Science fail, never mind that multiple posts in this thread are nothing but theorising about new spells that the job will get.

I suppose the question then becomes why my useless speculation bears pointing out when yours doesn't; even if it required a clarification it's more well-grounded than most.

Edit: Also, lulz at saying I'm a bad writer when you had an argument about the meaning in your own posts in this very thread...

Edited, Nov 14th 2010 9:39am by Innuendoze

It wasn't singled out for being useless; it's because it was retarded.



If one didn't have enough proof of your terrible communications skills already, this statement will remove all doubt from their mind. Seriously, I really don't know what you're trying to say here...

Was I really? My deaf brother read it and thought it was quite amusing. He also says you're a douchebag for taking what I wrote out of context to try and tar me with the Hitler brush. But what does he know about being disabled, I guess you're the official spokesman.

Go the @#%^ away already.

Honestly all the scholars I know have black mage leveled anyway, so I don't foresee a huge spike in the price of the break scroll. I hope that scholars do get regain so I can play my scholar once in a while, right now it's all whm since my LS is full up on blm's. Then again I would be a scholar in a DD party which means I would need to sub whm for haste, so I guess I'm kinda stuck in a pickle any way you look at it. :\

This is a little worrying. It's intrinsically discriminatory to expect anyone within a minority to speak on behalf of everyone who is part of that minority. Maybe you should take a look at your mindset with regards to people in minorities.

My partner, who suffers from a learning disability (which is far more relevant to the way that you equated "being retarded" with "being stupid" than deafness) just pointed out that your use of the term is pretty damn offensive, for what it's worth.

I'll respect your wishes and won't pursue the discussion any further. Even though I was right about scholar getting break ;)

But, your reasoning as to why (which was the basis of the entire argument to begin with, not whether or not we'd get the spell) is still completely flawed, so I wouldn't get all winky about it. A chimp at a keyboard will inexplicably type a word now and then as well, but we don't attribute that to the chimp being intelligent; it's just luck. Same concept.

As for the rest of your post, you are a @#%^ing idiot. If you'd like some elaboration as to why, I'd be happy to PM, otherwise, stop forcing me to sh*t up the thread further.

He didn't mention a black magic spell at that level. The white magic, water spell at 88 is regain.

Bear in mind these lists are from the DATs from the last update. It shouldn't be a surprise if SE decided to change it from Black Magic to White Magic so it'll work with the new Stratagem; hence why I said they may change.