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#1 Jul 14 2009 at 5:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Not quite sure i understand the merits but if i'm getting it right. Does it mean I can have 10 combinations of Group 1 then then 10 of Group 2? If so how would this look?

Group 1: Max Sublimation Maxed, and Helix Magic Acc./Atk. Maxed

Group II: 1 Altruism, Focalization, Tranquility, Equanimity, Enlightenment and Max out Stormsurge Job Trait?

Also do General Merit groups count seperate from group 1 and 2 or no?
#2 Jul 14 2009 at 5:45 PM Rating: Good
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Not quite sure i understand the merits but if i'm getting it right. Does it mean I can have 10 combinations of Group 1 then then 10 of Group 2? If so how would this look?

Group 1: Max Sublimation Maxed, and Helix Magic Acc./Atk. Maxed

Group II: 1 Altruism, Focalization, Tranquility, Equanimity, Enlightenment and Max out Stormsurge Job Trait?

Also do General Merit groups count seperate from group 1 and 2 or no?


You are correct you get 10 for each group.
As for your merits those seem fine, honestly besides Stormsurge which helps pretty much any play style I can think of, everything else you merit will depend on how you play SCH or what you use it for.

For myself since most of the time I'm on SCH as a nuker for events or soloing I'm slowly working on this setup:
Group 1:
5/5 Helix MACC/MAB
5/5 MV Effect - This is more for events than solo since that 10min timer sucks for solo.

Group 2:
5/5 Stormsurge
5/5 Equanimity - Ya this can be a waste of charges but for when I can't spam nukes and need to be careful of hate tossing out a -50 Enmity IV spell could be fun.
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#3 Jul 14 2009 at 6:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Well the ones that are beyond doubt are Helix and Stormsurge, those are the two best merit categories hands down.

Now, Max sublimation is one I am definitely not sure of. For me, I don't always cap out on Sublimation before using it, so having a larger cap seems a waste of merits.

The Modus Veritas category isn't much better, since there's no reduction on its timer possible. So you're blowing merits on something you can only use every 10 minutes. Alternatively, if you are planning to end game SCH with a strong Helix gearset, this could give you a nice chunk of damage out of the gate.

The least useful on the service is the Grimoire recast. That would only be good for someone who is a fill-in type of SCH, swapping on the fly between WHM and BLM in a short period. Even then, your recasts are short enough and the penalties small enough for cross-casting that you can normally wing it.

For me, 5/5 Helix, and either a mix of the other two or piled onto MV.

Group two is a lot easier. The enmity reduction seems nice, but if you are riding the hate that close to the edge, there are more issues your shell needs to address, or you need to learn2play. Hate control isn't just the tank's job. If you are overnuking and not paying attention, the enmity abilities are pointless. As for what Zagen said, honestly in situations like that, you have your helix spells and lower tiers. Better to just work with what you have than meriting like a sonovabitch for the ability to toss one IV Ebuillence powered nuke, then sitting with your thumb up your **** while waiting on charges.

For me, the boosted accuracy of Focalization is the most appealing. By charging that up, it lets you open up more in the +MAB department with less resist worries on some of the bigger mobs in-game. This lets you get the most out of limited-window events like Manaburst openings on gods or nuking in a zerg situation. The WHM equivalent is useless. You won't be debuffing a mob with tier 1's unless your LS has no RDM. The - enmity for cures is the same idea: End-game, you will have other healers, unless you are the one they count on.

So for me, it will most likely be 5/5 Stormsurge and 5/5 Focalization.

Edited, Jul 14th 2009 10:38pm by Pawkeshup
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#4 Jul 14 2009 at 6:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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yes that would work. Though, it mite not be your best way to spend your merits.

Altruism, Focalization, tranquility, equanimity

I'm not going to be the one to tell you NOT to invest into these, because they do have their uses, regardless if others dont like them. But with that said, doing 1 merit into each of them would be a waste of your merits. The reason for this is because those abilities need to be 3/5+ to even start getting a decent benefit out of them. going 1/5 on each of them will give you such a minimal bonus that it wont even be beneficial to waste 2 gems on them.

Also, if it helps, I had done 4/5 on Focalization and it was the worst mistake I had ever done. I almost never use it.. scratch that, i literally never use and plan to remove the merits and go 5/5 Enlightenment because i rather enjoy the ability and use quite frequently.

Hope some of that helps.
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#5 Jul 14 2009 at 7:40 PM Rating: Good
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I second the whole 5/5 Enlightenment merits.
The only good competitor of extra Stratagems is Focalization. And I really can't find a situation where I'd actually use it over say, Alacrity+Klimaform. This combination is stronger, lasts for 1 minute instead of a single spell; and is cheaper on the Stratagem-side. All available without having to sink a single merit into them.

In the end, Focalization's use is pretty much reserved for 2Hour-mode only; which I don't believe justifies being picked over the always-useful Enlightenment.

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#6 Jul 14 2009 at 8:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Why I asked cause my Scholar once i get past Shultz is gonna be my very first 75 class so I wanna get the merits down right Should be from 67 to 69 within another week and 75 by end of next month if all goes well with Shultz and xp pts. If I was a blue mage i would know exactly what I wanna merit for it. Thing is i haven't had too much time to use Helixes and teir nukes and storms seeing how 99.9% of the time I main heal a pt which i don't have a problem with. I perfer main healing with SCH most of the time. So I should definatally do these then Stormsurge, Helix Acc, and the Stragem for enhanced accuracy for my next nuke spell to max then right?
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Helix & Stormsurge 5/5 is a guarantee. Failing to do this should honestly result in an instant delevel of your SCH to level 5.

The rest of the merits are up in the air. Not because any are much better than others, but because they all somewhat suck.

I myself use helices a LOT. When MV is up, I use it. I don't necessarily use it for to make the helix get over quicker, but I use it so I can apply another helix faster. Even pre-merits, this equates to more damage over the same amount of time. After merits, you can basically take your helix damage and add 50%. Helices, being extremely efficient already, can only benefit greatly from an extra 50% efficiency every 10 minutes. *I've actually done the math, and MV being used regularly and properly equates to a considerable amount of extra damage when merited fully. Enough to the point that MV merits greatly trumps sublimation merits from a damage standpoint. Of course, for meripo healing, there's little use for helices. Mobs die long before the helix will reach it's prime potency.*

Sublimation merits are decent, but I greatly frown upon them myself. If you feel you need them, then get them.

Grimoire merits are far too lackluster. It would be much more beneficial if they would reduce stratagems recast or spell cast/recast times *including breaking the 50% cap* instead. *both stratagems and spell recast/cast times IMO would be broken. Seperately, either would be quite useful but not game-breaking.*

Merit stratagems. EXTREMELY useful during 2hr. Very lackluster without 2hr. If they didn't have that horrible 2charge cost, they'd be quite decent. None are really worth it without 3+ merits into it.

Enlightenment is also extremely disappointing. It could have been much better. Receiving only the magic skill level bonus from the appropriate arts would be enough for me to say this is the definite choice of the remaining group 2. Unfortunately, SE dropped the ball bigtime on this.

All in all, figure up what you use your SCH most for. Tune your merits for that. Stormsurge 5/5 Helix 5/5 or gtfo.
#8 Jul 15 2009 at 3:20 AM Rating: Good
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and the Stragem for enhanced accuracy for my next nuke spell to max then right?


Like me and others have said; this stratagem isn't worth it; specially for nukes.

Simply put; the amount that you should be nuking is vastly superior to what Focalization usage allows. Nuking should NOT be a reason to get this stratagem up.
Get it up if you want key enfeebles (Say; grav on temperance) to land.
Stick to Klimaform for nuking resistant mobs; or Alacrity+Klimaform if you need more than 1 minute of use.

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#9 Jul 15 2009 at 3:57 AM Rating: Good
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Helix & Stormsurge 5/5 is a guarantee. Failing to do this should honestly result in an instant delevel of your SCH to level 5.


Stormsurge isn't really great enough to say that someone should punish themselves in such a manner for not getting it...

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Enlightenment is also extremely disappointing. It could have been much better. Receiving only the magic skill level bonus from the appropriate arts would be enough for me to say this is the definite choice of the remaining group 2. Unfortunately, SE dropped the ball bigtime on this.


The main purpose of Enlightenment seems to be the ability to throw up RR2 without having to burn two stratagem charges if you already had Addendum: Black on. At least, that's what I see everyone using this ability for. Doesn't depend at all on skill, and since RR lasts for an hour, the 10-min recast for having only one point in this doesn't even matter if that's all you use the ability for.
#10 Jul 15 2009 at 9:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's useful for taking out annoying enfeebles (Say Slow) off you as well.

It's also a godsend when you're not sticking to a single art. Say being the BLM Party where you'll have to Light Arts-> Stormga from time to time. If you only have MP for another nuke, or need to do Helix-> T4 -> T3; you can skip Addendum and use Enlightenment for your T4 nuke.

Or the other way around; need to -Ga a deadly stauts effect and you're on Dark arts? Just pop Lights -> Accession -> Enlightenment and save yourself a Stratagem. Or also useful if you need to R2 someone.


In the end this are all just ways to save more Stratagems; which is always nice.
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#11 Jul 15 2009 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Since SCH is gunna be your first 75 TC Merit Magic (specifically enfeebling) before bothering with sch specific merits, since none of them are a "must have".
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#12 Jul 15 2009 at 10:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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I wish others realized Enlightenment was for more than just RR like you do.

I cant speak for others, but i absolutely hate swapping arts when I already have their respective Addendum active. Which is almost all the time. Cant tell you how many times i've sat there and wished the ability was up so I wasnt forced to swap arts and lose my addendum. I honestly use it almost every chance I get, and wish I could more. Gradually working on dropping Focalization merits in hopes of this.

Edited, Jul 15th 2009 2:53pm by ElVendi
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