Scholar In PvPFollow

It depends on what you're fighting and which tactics you're using.

So far I've successfully used SCH/RDM Stoneskin, Phalanx, Blaze Spikes to beat a DNC and THF so far.

Against a BLU the only way I won was Silence + Gravity and nuke.

Against a WAR Gravity DoT/Nuke.

Those are the only jobs I've played against to far. If its a job that can sleep use Sublimation regularly and sleep them or bind and run away for the 30sec cool down.

Sorry for double post, but is scholar generally good In PVP

Good bad or neutral?

SCH shines in team vs team ordeals. Graviga bindga drainga aspirga stoneskinga are GREAT. Resist silence is a bitch and sublimation makes you unsleepable. If you want to fully enjoy SCH in PvP I suggest doing OM (official match) so you can see the full power of SCH.

Also, lower caps are tough for 1on1 matches unless you're a melee class.

Edited, May 21st 2009 6:41pm by Hiswhitewings

1on1 SCH is just really lacking much like BLM is. All you can really do is bind/sleep nuke or DoT kite. Not very fun. For 30CAP I really can't say what would work for a 1on1 situation for SCH...

But overall SCH is one of those jobs that can easily be your greatest asset or your teams downfall. As I said before, SCH is great simply due to all the AoE it can throw around. But their defense, although not PAPER thin with the right gear, it is pretty lacking and you WILL be taken down easily if caught off guard.

My best advice for this particular 30 cap situation? Bring a melee job. THF is great! Bolts own these levels. Bolts with high EVA is DEADLY. Only downfall is that THF has no real damaging WS this lv but I remember doing THF/NIN and mostly shooting people to death in ballista.

I pvp a lot. Well I did back in the day. Ballista died on my server just a after i had been 75 for a few months.

SCH in pvp has extreme advantages vers every other mage in the game. The rule of magedom pvp combat is Sleep > Silence > Defeat.

To the sch luck, we happen to have a great ja that allows us to be unsleepable. Sublimation. Its amazing when people /tell you "why wont you sleep!?" and just stand there casting it over again and again as you nuke them away.

Our other nice trick is the resist silence trait. Now bard being quite unsilenceable if built right, sch can come close. Silence from anything other than a rdm probably wont land, which is nice.

When it comes to tips and tricks. Sch is a major asset to ballista parties. Be sure to super buff your team before charging into battle. Things like, ss'd shadowed melee with phalanx(which is cheaper to cast than rdm casting phalanx II) and str+7 from firestorm and some enspells can really work in your favor.

You are a mage, you have about a step above toughness of smn and blm, but not as bad ass as rdm and super human a good whm can be. So definitly be mindful of who and where your at.

But the best...the best...thing about sch is...Bindga, graviga, blindga and if you ever are lucky enough to have /drk and stunga and not be a walking gate breach, those are must haves.

Blm hits the other team with sleepga, you follow with graviga and bindga, and watch everyone curse you for ur ablities.

Dont even bother with helixs, and the recast and casting reduction will make spells like drain nukes ur friend. Curega(before cura) was a quick and cheap way to rid urself of sleep, and with erasega and reganga you can keep teammates alive great too.

Apsirga and drainga are great for doing dmg and erasing shadows. I was surrounded one time. 100 hp left, got off drainga...was back at 900ish and managed to get out of 3 melees trying to rape me with a quick bindga. LOL.

Definitly stick to offical matchs tho. PVP in anything else will be just 1vs1 spam and sch cant cut it up close and personal, and bind nuke will work but thats kinda boring.

Subs-
/rdm at 75 caps is pretty much the best bet. Phalanx being 90% of the reason. Also access to sleep without strgms and bind and gravity. + SS which is a must if you are a mage and plan on anyone hitting "attack" on you.

Now magevsmage other subjobs could work, but if there are melee's bring your ss.

/whm anything below uncapped. 60 and lower. Its ur best bet. 60 cap you wont get ss from rdm. So whm is your best bet. Its also a good idea if you see ur paired with another sch(if your so lucky, i have been it was awesome.) maybe go /whm to completely knock out any whm needed functions without wait of strgms. I didnt use /whm much tho.

/blm. Only only only if you are fighting another mage. Group events, this is really bad, you are a gate breach, and a smn could survive a bit longer. Well not really.

/drk. Stunga is hell. And absorbga spells are nifty at first. 75 cap only, and only if you know for sure you wont be a main target. I'd say this works for big big battles. doesnt offer graviga tho.

Everything else kinda pales in comparison. Sch lacks defensive buffs, and only jobs with those spells make for good use.


Overall sch is a great job since PVP in the mage jobs is about aoe vs aoe. You've got strong nukes, that can hit faster and with less cost than blm, aoe enfeebles, aoe defense, and auto-nosleep and resist silence. But like anyjob, a sucky sch will be a pain, a good sch will rock out. You'll always at some point get ur ass kicked in ballista, but with more practice you'll learn how to pick ur battles. Definitly invest in dmg - gear, get a jelly ring and a that cape. I use them, they are nice!


I <3 aspirga...I really really do.


And dispelga...pretty nice. Wipe shadows and buffs!! Use it



Edited, May 21st 2009 9:35pm by EarthSage

That right there should say it all.

Thats the thing about mage jobs, specifically, rdm, blm, and sch, their all played the same way. Though rdm has more room to mix it up. Whether your in a pt or not your still going to cast the same spells in the same order. The only difference is the "aga's", but even then... if your fighting someone with shadows you'll still likely be using aoe moves.

As for sub, /rdm > everything else. Always!(speaking from a sch75/rdm37 perspective) Ya.. other subs add lil perks, but those perks come with more severe draw backs that make them not so worth while. I wont go in depth about it, unless ya ask me to. ^^

If you play the job the way it was meant to be played, "Crowd Control", you will always have a huge bulls eye on your back. Expect to die.. Hence why once you start tossing those aga's on the enemy, your not going to do anything else. You'll have a lot of angry ppl riding your arse!

Generally speaking, Mage > Melee in 1vs1 fights. If you arent winning its because of your lack of skill. Mage vs Mage is pretty much who ever grabs that first sleep/silence, in our case, likely us.

Not sure...but you can easily test it in a Brenner match for us! I'd love to know this myself...I have yet to see SCH use a helix in any match.

To give you an idea a hume WAR/NIN without gear has 57 INT and a hume DRK/NIN has 66 INT.

Using this info and what's the understood formula for helices [(YourINT-TargetINT)+25] * (MAB/1)* (STAFF) * Weather * Day = Damage
Lets assume you have 130 INT in gear just to give a nice decent number you may have in gear and food.

MAB = /RDM + Moldavite Earring

[(130-57)+25] * 1.25 * 1.1 * 1 * 1 = 134.75 = 134/tick against a naked WAR/NIN

[(130-66)+25] * 1.25 * 1.1 * 1 * 1 = 122.37 = 122/tick against a naked DRK/NIN

Again these aren't exact but they give you an idea of how much damage you do and also how much damage 9 INT on the target reduces your potential.

Nukes suffer a penalty? Unless they have shell or MDB of any kind on I've hit spells for what would be close to normal damage as SCH. I'd get nukes in the 800-900s for Tier IVs. Its been a while but I noticed my Helix spells did good damage against WAR and DNC but against BLU or RDM it was doing crappy numbers but that could have been due to Stoneskin as we didn't do matches specifically for testing all scenarios.