Dark Ixion CloakFollow

I wouldn't even put Ixion Cloak in the same category as Vermillion Cloak... it's SO much better. Let's look at the stats...

Vermillion cloak
[Body] All Races
Cannot Equip Headgear DEF: 46
MP +10 MP +1% Evasion -10
Adds "Refresh" effect
Lv. 59 MNK / WHM / BLM / RDM / PLD / BRD /
RNG / SMN / BLU / PUP / SCH

vs.

Ixion cloak Rare
[Body] All Races
Cannot Equip Headgear
DEF: 43 INT +13 MND +13 CHR +13
Magic Accuracy +5
Adds "Regen" and "Refresh" effect
Lv. 74 WHM / BLM / RDM / BRD / SMN / BLU /
PUP / SCH

+13 MND, +13 INT & Magic Accuracy +5 and you're asking if it has applications for nuking and/or enfeebling? Bottom line, yes. This cloak is godly. If you can obtain it, or afford it, it's definately a nice piece... however the price tag is rather high... There really are no disadvantages for any caster who chooses to use this cloak, only advantages.

I still use mine pretty commonly even though I have the relic body. It's a solid piece, particularly for Helix spells where might need just a smidge more accuracy to land, but going to AF body would give you a drop in damage. It's pretty rare I'm riding Sublimation second to second, either. So, even if it comes out to something like 70 more MP in a 10 minute span despite other swaps, it's still MP I wouldn't have had.

I've seen people blow money on far less, personally. Get it and try it. Sell it back if you don't think it fits your style. I'll never be making a Weskit style ACP body, myself. Even then, I'd never use that for a Helix.

To me personally, Ixion and vermies provide more use than ppl seem to give them credit for. Apparently everyone seems to be so on top of constant sublimation use, that there is only a 30 second window to ever need to use a vermy/ixion. (Practicality seems to show otherwise though)

However, I'll list my personal preferences for use of my ixion cloak which I do make quite of bit of use of even though i also have argute gown. I will also disclaim that I do an aweful lot of soloing, therefore am constantly on my feet, runnin, and on the go.

Scenario 1: My average sublimation complete grants ~ 270 mp. If I am less than 270 mp away from my total MP cap (around 900-1k) then I will not yet utilize my sublimtation store. Instead, I use my ixion cloak to get that mp up.

Scenario 2: If Sublimation is actively pulling, common sense tells us to utilize AF hat and argute gown while it is in process. So no ixion there.

Scenario 3: If I'm running around a place like sky (hellotoyou magic aggro!) and want to activate sublimation, then I put on Ixion Cloak, Garden Bangles, and Orochi Nodowa for a 2-3 HP/tic Regen, thus virtually nullifying the negative draw back of losing HP (since you can't put up stoneskin). I also apply this to when Im running around and don't really have time to put stoneskin up atm, especially in Sea or if im doing IX'Aern fights, fortitudes, or prudences. Every digit of HP counts when you're taru, with no stoneskin, losing HP, and in midfight with something that doesn't play nice.

I have 2 idling macros; one of which applies relic body with af hat for the 4/tic, for when i have stoneskin up, or don't care about the hp loss, and prefer the quicker sublimation stocking; the other macro being the ixion for the reasons mentioned above.


Personally I see no reason to use ixion for a nuking/helix piece, as there are far too many other nuking combinations out there, all of which surpass ixions nuking usage. AF hat + Morgana's cotehardie; AF hat + Errant/Mahatma; Yigit; or for anti-resists, af gown + either af hat or elite beret/(+1). Pretty much, there is no nuking scenario where ixion would out perform other gear, and honestly, the other said gear is incredibly cheap. AF coat is free, errant is like 30-60kish, morgana's is down to 200-300kish on my server (i could see how that's a lil pricey for some, but certainly much cheaper than ixion). So I jus don't even consider Ixion Cloak a nuking piece; simply a glorified vermy that happens to give scholars something they actually need more than a rdm or blm would, which is that regen to combat our sublimation pulling.

So if you know that your hp and mp "alternate" back and forth, why assume mine doesn't? If you'd like i'll provide screenshots just for you.




If i have to force myself to "use" the surplus of mp i have at the time so that im not wasting my sublimation mp, I would still be "wasting" my mp casting spells to get the surplus gone if im doing it for the sole purpose of burning away the mp to make room for a full stock of sublimation.



lol. You're antics and semantics are cute, I'll admit. Anyone "can" maneuver sky jus to get a skin off. Going out of my way to find a place to do that when im not even fighting anything but am tryin to get somewhere is just absurd and pointless. Sure its not like its gonna take 15 mins out of my time to do it, but its pointless. Why waste the mp and time it would take to put up a stoneskin as im running from the main entrance of sky to say.... Zip, when i can toss on an ixion cloak, and other pieces of Regen gear, get the same effect as having stoneskin on, without wasting the time, or mp to accomplish it? Is that really laziness? or efficiency and common sense? Work smarter not harder.


3: If you're doing anything that matters, unless you're not /RDM or /WHM, you should have stoneskin applied at all times. Failure to do so is borderline retarded. It's saved my @$$ more times than an auto-regen trait would *especially with how little I would have that piece equipped*.

If you think I need to keep up Stoneskin for solo's like Ulli, Despot, or ix'mnks and other things of that nature at all times or i'm borderline retarded then perhaps you should learn how to stop getting hit so much. No doubt that having a skin up is obviously a plus, and absolutely can save your life, but making the statement you did jus makes you much more retarded than the ppl you're calling retarded. Either way im not here for the epeen contest and silly alla arguments that you consistently start.



Good catch and addition, you finally contributed something positive to a thread. Good job.



Again, semantics. We don't even NEEED to be playing the game. Stop trying to make ppl believe that dessert means a hot sweaty sandy area with no acclimatizations. Every piece of gear is situational, none of it is needed, and noone "needs" to be shown that. Oki admittedly some ppl do, but that's not the point lol.



I need to get you enrolled in a Bachelor's program for semantics; don't worry, you'd fly through it np. Though you are correct, in the "pooling" example you gave, i personally refer to is as pulling and shall continue to do so for other reasons, But I humbly accept your correction.


I'd also like to mention that Ixion cloak has actually been a deciding factor in a few of my solos in instances where i wuz already in Orange HP, (no sublimation "pooling" for me) and didn't have enough mp to continue finishing the fight. The only reason i was able to recover and eventually get back on my feet and regain ground was because of the regen/refresh i got from the cloak and other pieces that i mentioned previously. Either way I digress. I'm more than happy to settle this at the "To each his/her own" level. I simply wanted to share other degrees of usage that the OP may not have considered.

What body piece and/or head piece do you apply when you're in Idle but not charging Sublimation?

I have a Vermillion Cloak left over from the days when it was more useful (it's pretty much only a SCH idle piece now), and both of my idle macros are both predominantly Damage Down (Earth Staff, Jelly Ring, Cheviot Cape, Orochi Nodowa), but one has AF hat/Argute Gown, and the other has Vermy.

I absolutley agree with the statements you've made from day 1 that an Auto-Refresh body piece for a SCH is more a luxury than a necessity, but what other option is there to equip on the body for the times when Sublimation isn't charging and you're idle?

omfg butterknives is my new favorite word


Usually, when I'm faced with the same situation, I need to refresh my reraise or protect/shell/various other buffs anyway. Even a couple of those are enough to pop me just below a full charge.


The only problem I have with this I'll explain with an example preceded by a small explanation:
My THF is also 75. I am far less tolerant of THF gear than I am of any other job. It's far easier to botch THF than most other jobs.

I came across a THF once that was using p.harpe and Heartsnatcher. I asked why he had a heartsnatcher. He said he thought it was good. I proceeded to inform him that it's utter garbage and he should just drop it now. He asked what he should use. I stated that Blau dolch is by far the most useful dagger in the entire game, and if a THF is putting together a weapon combo post-72, blau dolch should be included. This is widely accepted as fact in the THF community *NOT OPINION*. He ran to the auction house and bought one. I joined a party a few days later and he was in it. I asked how he liked the blau dolch. He said, "It's so amazing!!!". 5 minutes into the party.. I noticed he's main handing the blau......... Nuff said?

The problem is that people either won't understand that ixion's cloak should only be used in this or that situation, or will be too lazy to switch. They'll full-time it because someone said it's good.


I usually pop celerity and penury when I'm casting skin in sky. Cast time on it is extremely short w/ celerity and the MP cost is barely worth mentioning.



I have other games we could play w/ dead horses.... >.>

*edit* acturus, I use Wonder Kaftan in between charges for idle body piece. Being taru, HP helps a lot. I'm hopefully soon to replace that with goliard body, however, which will also be my default healing/buffing body piece. I'm way past the stoneskin cap w/o errant body so haste = yesprzu.

Edited, Jun 10th 2009 10:50am by Banggugyangu

For a second there I thought he was speaking of Taru level 1 RSE. The idea of watching a fully geared 75 in that made me lol.

With you having RDM leveled to 75, I can't understand how you could justify this... >.>

Also, as stated earlier, Ixion's cloak has no place in nuking gear due to AF body being superior for resists and even NQ errant body being superior for damage. There really aren't any situations that would call for this piece as a middle-of-the-road body piece.

just cuz you have an ability doesnt mean you have to use it. Sublimation with the right setup is 4 hp to mp a tick, refresh on with ixion cloak is 4 mp a tick. the difference? the refresh doesnt stop, its a constant 4 MP hitting your pool every tick. With sublimation you get the same effect, only have to use the ability to get it out of it, then wait 30 seconds to start refreshing urself again. Theres downsides, like if you get hit too hard you have to use the ability, wait 30, then start over again. The only time it is 100% superior is when you are at 100% MP, and can burn through a few hundred of it with instant sublimation, but other than the start of a fight, how often are you at 100% or even close on MP. Theres down time, "being a 75 rdm" i know a good rdm wont have it off me as long as the recast is between using your charge and not. Honestly, if i have a good red mage, ill get more MP over time than using sublimation full time.

And dont argue its an MP sink for a red mage. How often do you really have MP issues on red mage. I do very rdm intensive events, often, and i wouldnt think twice about refreshing my scholar whos backing me up.

Now if you want to argue that its a fantastic ability when there is no rdm in the party, thats fine and ill agree with you. But in my case, if there is no rdm in the party, guess who has to go job change to rdm?

I was under the assumption that Ixion/Vermy + Sublimation is more effective over time than Scholar's Mortarboard + Sublimation.

How exactly did you arrive at that assumption?

You are not listening. If the RDM isnt having MP issues casting refresh on yourself then there is no math about how much mp it gives you vs sublimation, because its constant. Its simply 3mp a tick non stop with at the most 5 seconds of downtime in between casts, with instantly accessible, usable MP as its ticking. At least listen to my point before jumping on the bandwagon and saying stupid ethug sh*t like "makes me cry" or "kicked in ur empty ballsack" or whatever, you may sound cool to the other bandwagon scholars but you sound like a @#%^ing idiot otherwise.

again, IF THE RDM NEVER RUNS INTO MP ISSUES ITS A MOOT POINT ON MP COST, i cant stress that enough. IM A RDM, ITS MY MAIN JOB, I REFRESH SCHOLARS. Theres nothing "Princess" about it, its not hypocritical, its just MY PREFERENCE, and thats all i said it was. I really dont care how you spend your days playing scholar because the difference is minor, but quit flying off the handle every time someone says they play a little different than you.



Edit to touch on this. You do realize your RDM is probably hasting and refreshing everyone in that party. YOU SHOULD BE MAIN HEALING, because about 60% of the time the RDM is gonna be midcast when someone needs a cure, casting haste or refresh. A good RDM can keep up without issue, with a scholar backup they shouldnt have to. What the hell are you doing on scholar if your in a pt with rdm, and hes doing all the healing? Of course youd think your MP isnt worth dick, cuz it sounds like with you playing, it isnt. My RDM never has MP issues, my scholar does. Does that mean that the 80 MP the rdm casts on me (which doesnt ever run him out of MP) is worth the scholar having MP on tap at all times without using a bullsh*t ability to get the same effect and worrying about curing himself etc so he can be on point for status effects and curing. Abso@#%^inglutely.

Edited, Jun 19th 2009 10:20am by Gerkin

What are you talking about? If anyone here is acting like a butthurt e-thug it's you. Not once have I used a censored word on this topic; you're the only one who has done as such.



If you care to read my post; MP cost is not the only thing you're depriving said RDM. Casting times and focus are probably way more important to a good rdm than MP.

And not only did you fail to address this point; but you even added more fuel to it on your next remark:



Maybe you should stop being so adamant about refreshing the scholar then? hmmm...

And I don't know you; but I've never been in a situation where I have a good RDM in my party as a SCH where I'm also forced to "Main" heal.



If your RDM can keep up without issues; then why on the world would you have the SCH heal when it can do better things with their time/MP.

You also fail to realize that refreshing the SCH then asking him to heal with the MP he leeched off you is both redundant and pointless.



Actually, it sounds like you think your MP isn't worth anything. I value my MP both as a SCH and a RDM. And I can guarantee you that using Sublimation + Refresh will net a larger MP available on both jobs than using double Refresh.




Please quit SCH. You're a disgrace to the job. I can't even believe you said "Worring about curing himself" when a SCH should always have SS up. Nor I can believe you called it a bullsh*t ability. Seriously; just quit.

And while we're at it: stop wasting MP as a RDM as well. Just because you're not having MP issues doesn't mean you're being efficient nor helpful. Nuke more, enfeeble more, cure outside people.
Heck; even hasting the SCH is a better use the MP and/or time than refreshing him.

If you can't factor in Stoneskin, why are you factoring in Regen?

Stoneskin isn't factored because if SCH is healing and stoneskining the tank party, then they'll have stoneskin up full time whether they want to or not. And if they're getting their nuke on, they need stoneskin up every bit as much as the blms do. Now, their sublimation means their stoneskin will break more often when they get hit by AoEs. But, it's complicated to try to quantify that, so just forget about it.

Obviously what you use is situational. But I do wonder what all of you scholars do. I know what good scholars do in good shells. They're main healing / stoneskinga for the tank party. Or they're nuking and weathering the blms. In either case, sch gear selection is piss poor. Not being a sch myself, but being a whm and blm...there's no way you don't buff and heal in your Ixion Cloak if you have it, its going to add like 40 HP to your stoneskin over gown + mortarboard. Nuking? Ixion still probably best, AF2 gown + AF1 mortarboard = gross. At least you have some int on there. Even using fastcast charges on your nukes, each nuke is going to lose you 1-2 ticks. AoE stoneskin will lose you 5 ticks. Healing too, only cure V, and plus, who gives a smeg. Now if you're nuking though, the rdm is probably overworked from casting 5 refreshes, so yeah, leave him be, so who cares if you save a couple MP, have mercy on him. Gerkin doesn't get to nuke on SCH though, because he can just bring his blm if we don't need a sch in the tank party...

It doesn't take more than casting a few spells per refresh cycle to kill any alleged advantage. One AoE buff, that's 5 extra MP sacrificed on the sublimation altar. It adds up. Whether you're nuking or your healing and buffing, you should be doing gear swaps, and those will hurt your ticks.

Also, don't forget that every second you forget to eat your MP tank, and every second you forget to turn sublimation back on, you're hemorrhaging 4 MP a tick. (3 if you're macros swap your body piece to a refresh piece) You really riding those timers to the microsecond? And yet still managing to pay attention to healing and status cures and AoE buff rotations? That's highly impressive, are you some sort of robot? If so what other powers do you have? And do you use them for good, or for awesome? Threatening bloody vengeance on Allakhazam of all places, because somebody doesn't play like you, that counts as neither good nor awesome, I'm sorry to inform you.

Having the rdm refresh you costs him at most 40 MP, a fair ways less than 40 on average thanks to conserve MP. Meanwhile, it saves you easily 40 MP unless you're swapping in Cloak between sublimation, AND you have robotic concentration and never miss a second between eating your MP charge the instant its full, or between restarting sublimation once you can. And yes, transferring X MP from the rdm, in exchange for > X MP on the sch, is a fair trade. What would the rdm do with it? Cure? The SCH can cover cures just one time per cycle, just one cure III the rdm doesn't cast and the rdm comes out ahead on MP, as does the sch, and everybody wins. He can even make that one cure happen while the rdm is casting refresh, then there, you're other hilariously stupid problem is solved (tanks die every time your failmage tries to cast refresh somebody). Even if it was a straight conversion of 40 mp for 40 MP...here's a PSA "I'm a redmage, I can use convert, you can't, so play safe".

He's not saying you're bad for using sublimation, he's saying they're probably equal, and he has a personal preference. You're saying any deviation from the bandwagon should be punished by lynching, and you're swearing bloody vengeance on him, howling at the moon with blood curdling fury. How dare he take a refresh and gain some MP, when he can gain almost as much by using a JA, he just has to use a bot to make sure he doesn't waste any sublimation ticks! How DARE he. Like he's dragging your job into the mud, when in fact, he's an endgame scholar, he convinces endgame shells to use it for endgame activities, and it holds its own. That must anger you, to think that some shells don't think sch is the sh*ttiest job in the game, how badly he has harmed you. I can see why you're so outraged and frothing at the mouth. We take scholars to Odin and other serious fights. The SCH and WHMs are always running on empty, I have to SV Ballad them near the end to keep them curing and suchlike. The rdms have to convert near the end, but by the end of the fight they're still sitting on half of their newly converted MP pool. To suggest that those 40 MP to keep the scholars focused on their JOBS is going to break their MP balance is beyond laughable. To suggest that the tanks would die because the backup healer is casting one extra refresh is even worse.

Rofl..

Love how topics always stray away from the OP topic.

For Dark ixion's cloak, I completely agree it does have its uses and can help get you out of a pinch or keep mp topped off while traveling. Is it game breaking, not even close. But it does add to your efficiency.

As for the argument between Naobi and Banggu about traveling to Ulli. (i realize its a burried topic now and gerkin's ignorant comments deserve much more attention >.>) I'm personally along the same lines as Naobi. Theirs no reason to cast more magic than needed when surrounded by magic agro mobs. I know you said that..

Would the same point be true that if you know what your doing the need for SS is moot?

anyways. On to gerkin...

Assuming your main healing and you have that rdm in your pt. s/he is likely doing full haste and refresh rotations, right? At least by your description of a good rdm, on top of that he should be doing ALL the enfeebs, as well as back up healing. So all the sch is doing is healing? Where as the rdm is allegedly doing quadruple the work? If this rdm is doing SOOoooo much work, why would you seriously want to impose more work on them? Especially considering that your doing jack sh*t.

This is the point everyone is making. To pull more from the rdm is taking away their attention to other things they could be doing.. OR!! actually evening out the amount of effort your both doing.

Do find it funny how much you glorify Rdm. Yes, i have a respect for the job and give it props where its due. But you seem to believe that it pulls so vastly ahead of sch, if at all. Besides DoT kiting and higher enfeeb skill, it really has no advantage.


Their is a time to receive refresh, but those instances are very far inbetween.

Ex. Yesterday we did Early Bird, once the Wyrm takes flight keeping HP high enough to keep sublimation up can be troublesome. So once he takes flight i request refresh until it comes down. At that point its back to sublimation.

You can play anyway you want to play. But dont go preaching "Bandwagon" this and "Bandwagon" that, when its got nothing to do with bandwagons, but rather self efficiency and relieving stress of others.

I figure I'll put in my opinion on Ixion Cloak.

It gives +13 INT/MND, Refresh, Regen, and MACC +5. These are the only stats I find useful for SCH. Its a nice well rounded body piece and that's where it ends for me.

Ok I want some INT? Errant Body + Scholar's M.board = 14 INT
So if I'm after decent INT amount Ixion loses.

Ok I want some MND? Errant Body + Goliard Chapeau/Argute M.board = 15 MND
Those are a bit harder to come by for some so Errant Body + Head = 13 MND
So if I'm after decent MND amount Ixion loses or at best matches cheaper alternatives.

Ok so I want some Refresh Armor? Vermillion does the same thing.
So if I'm after Refresh Armor, Vermillion does the same thing but at 25-30% of the cost and can be used 16 levels earlier.

Ok so now I want some MACC? Scholar's Gown = +15 Elemental/Enfeebling/Dark Skill
Well Scholar's Gown alone gives me 10 more MACC while in dark arts. So unless you enfeeble in Light Arts where this actually beats any other combos.
For me this is moot because I don't enfeeble past Dia II in Light Arts.

Ok so what's left? Regen.
There is no other body a SCH can use that gives you Regen Effect. So Ixion wins hands down here. My problem is I tend to full time Stoneskin which means the Regen is negated, so this isn't really a win for me.

Bottom line, Ixion Cloak can be beat or matched by other relatively easy and cheaper gear with the exception of enfeebling in Light Arts and the Regen it gives. Is that worth 2mil(Bismarck) to you? It isn't to me.

Oh I almost forgot the argument but what if you just want a well rounded body? I don't skimp on the gear I bring to exp or events. That means I'd still have everything else with me for some reason or another.

Edited, Jun 22nd 2009 2:06pm by Zagen

Ridiculous. You have macros for a reason. Macro in Errant/Mahatma for body and relic/Errant/Mahatma for head when casting SS. Why would you assume that a well-geared SCH would be incompetent and cast in the gear you listed? Is that what you would do? I have to assume so, which almost negates anything further you suggest.

Wrong. Absolutely wrong. I nuke in AF body/Errant body and AF+1/relic mortarboards, depending on the situation. Resist rates determine how I mix and match. Regardless, I out-class Ixion.

There are instances when it's useful, sure, but it's not worth its price tag. It's not doing much more than a vermy.

But I have a question:

Do other SCHs do this? When I'm doing a LS event, I commit to one Art or the other, more or less. I'm either Dark or Light, so I don't hop back and forth too often(unless there's an emergency of some sort). Do you guys Stormsurge the BLMs and then swap back over to nuke? Is their 7 INT and storm effect going to do more for the group than the extra nukes you can churn out with double the strategem charges available to you? I'm just curious.

Edited, Jun 23rd 2009 12:36am by order

I'm in the same boat. Not to demonize those SCHs who remain versatile in the middle of events, but the overwhelming majority of events that players engage in pigeon-hole jobs into roles. We have three SCHs in my Dynamis shell, I am perma-Light Arts because I have the best cure setup (and we're usually short healers), and the other two are perma-Dark Arts because their nuking setups are nearly on par with our BLMs. That's not to say they won't swap to Light Arts here and there, or that I won't swap over myself, but generally speaking, we're pegged into roles because it helps the overall fluidity of the run.

Like everything else in FFXI, you're either adequate at everything, or good at one thing.

Not to take anything away from scholars potential, but gear choices arent the best. If their nuking setup is anywhere close to your blms, you need new blms.

Against anything worthwhile, he even said he casts in a full elemental skill build. If Ele skill build scholars are matching the blms for damage, the blms need to work harder.

Hm... I tend to do things w/ some of the best geared BLMs you'll ever find. I generally end up being around the top of all magic parses for all events. Albeit, I am nearly at the pinnacle of a specific damage build that I'm finding more and more to be the supreme selection for a SCH.

I like that you called me bandwagon, seeing as how I was one of the first level 75 SCHs. If anything, I drove a wagon that others decided they should jump on because they saw it was heading somewhere good.

Let me say this: if I'm in a party with a RDM, the RDM is main healing. This isn't to say that RDM either is better at main healing than SCH or has less to do, because neither of those are necessarily true *though neither is the inverse*. I'm simply saying that if I'm in a meripo, there's no RDM. If I'm in an end-game event of some sorts, then I'm focusing on maximizing both my own and the damage of all the BLMs in my PT.

On the note of switching arts, I find it most beneficial and efficient to poll your BLMs about which obis they have. I follow a strict rule of "No obi = No Weather". Sea is a requirement of the LS and not having obis on a BLM is either bad luck or laziness *usually the latter*. Because of this, I rarely switch arts as I usually cast 2 hailstorms and 2 thunderstorms. One hailstorm is on myself.

PT structure for end-game is generally BLMx2-3 SCHx1-2 RDMorBRD and COR. If there are 2 SCHs, each hailstorms himself and then tackles a BLM *generally thunderstorm*. If 2 SCHs, alternating klimaform for high-resist mobs is very effective. *I prefer to ditch all stratagems except alacrity during klimaform simply for raw damage output.*

For flan-a-burns: If I'm in a PT w/ BLMs, my tier 4 spells match some of the best BLMs you'll have ever seen. A recent one with a BLM using top-notch gear *including novio* compared unresisted damage on bliz 4 to be me losing out by 8 damage. If you're going to argue that he needs better gear, you're foolish, because BLM gear doesn't really get much better than what he had to offer.

Gerkin, you're going to be very offended by my next statement, but frankly, I don't care. You may cry a little; might cut yourself some, but in the end, you'll realize that this is a game and it doesn't matter that someone pissed you off a bit. The statements you've made in this thread make it obvious to me that you fail at SCH. It seems that in your eyes, SCH is basically a RDM with a couple different toys to play with. Perhaps yours is indeed just that. I myself made my SCH into something more, as did many others who have posted here. Don't generalize me into the same bowl of suck that you're swimming in.

It was a figure of speech. I was thinking Dynamis, which is hardly a test of skill builds. Yes, I'm sure our BLMs nuke the pants off our SCHs, but I don't care because I filter everyone's damage except my own. Blame my melee ways.

You're quite right, I only realised this after posting that. D'oh.

The bolded stuff is similar to what i was going to type before but didnt >.>



Rofl! ^^ I like this


Banggu and I dont seem to agree on everything, maybe its because i need to step up my "game" or maybe he's too one sided about his decisions.. But one things for sure, he reads Gerkin pretty well. Banggu from what I gather is more of a dark arts Sch, so i'm sure he can attest easily to how well we can perform. I have above average nuking gear and I already hit on par or surpass most blm's i'm with(not in all scenerios). As for healing, as far as mp efficiency goes i can easily out last rdm or whm. And the rdm's and whm's I'm comparing myself to have varying degrees of good to amazing gear.

I'll reiterate, but for the sch community as a whole!