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#1 Mar 26 2009 at 5:19 PM Rating: Decent
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So let's say you're sitting around Looking For Party. What do you expect to be asked to do when an invite comes? Main healer?
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#2 Mar 26 2009 at 5:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you are getting an invite its 95% of the time going to be you as mainhealer. 5% of the time it will be a manaburn invite from a BLM who wants to see what his damage is with Hailstorm.
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If you play this job expecting to main heal, you are being realistic. Honestly, main healing with SCH is very easy and I really enjoy it.
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#4 Mar 26 2009 at 11:05 PM Rating: Good
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If you play this job expecting to main heal, you are being realistic. Honestly, main healing with SCH is very easy and I really enjoy it.


^ this

I feel like i'm being very efficient when main healing of sch. With so many tools at our disposal its also fun, at least for me. If i get a manaburn invite then i'd change to blm.
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#5 Mar 27 2009 at 1:46 AM Rating: Default
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Main healing is what every sch should do in almost every situation,meripo too.
Until sch gets new (and decent) nuking gear.
#6 Mar 27 2009 at 4:23 AM Rating: Excellent
If you join any non-manaburn party and honestly expect to be anything BUT main healer, you are in for a world of disappointment. That said, at 70+ I don't know if it's fair to call it main HEALING either, since, unless your party seriously SUCKS, you're mostly gonna be casting Regen2, Acc.+Stoneskin, Acc.+Phalanx, and Acc.+Enwhatever, with MAYBE the occasional Cure when Pecking Flurry catches someone with his shadows down, or that imp decides to be cheeky and open up with a *ga.
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#7 Mar 27 2009 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
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Main healing is what every sch should do in almost every situation,meripo too.
Until sch gets new (and decent) nuking gear.


Strongly disagree. SCH is a very capable nuker with the gear we have available and only looks to get better. Versatility is the key. SCH do have as many nuking situations as healign. However, no1 gets party invites to nuke its not efficient. So expect to mainheal in any party situation.

Edited, Mar 27th 2009 11:35am by haleoale
#8 Mar 27 2009 at 9:27 AM Rating: Good
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In a merit PT I main heal (usually regen IIra and random Cure III/IVs) and status buff (Enspellra and Firestormra)

In Nyzul I main heal and status buff/remove (Enspellra, ~nara, and Erasera) also nuke on clear all floors with puddings.

In Salvage so far (only gone once) main heal and status buff (Stonskinra, Enspellra)

In Manaburns out last BLMs for MP efficiency, if I want Epeen out nuke most BLMs on Tier IVs.

In each of these situations this has been what's been expected of me and when I'm not sure I ask what they want me to focus on doing.

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Main healing is what every sch should do in almost every situation,meripo too.
Until sch gets new (and decent) nuking gear.


You must not be good as a SCH nuker or dedicated because every manaburn I've ever been in all but 1 BLM(Morrigan's) has been jealous over the fact I can out damage them and am more mp efficient. To say we don't have "decent" nuking gear is very wrong. We do have decent and BLM has access to awesome nuking gear which since that's their specialty that's how it should be.

I'm not fully pimped out yet but even on sky gods I can and have out nuked BLMs (sorry only random endgame-ish thing I do). These are more so AH BLMs so its more understandable that I can occasionally beat them.

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#9 Mar 27 2009 at 12:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Expectations after the WHM update, any thoughts? I hope SCH gets something good like lets say Helices II? I know what will happen if I say "Haste please" lol.
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#10 Mar 27 2009 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good
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I nuked in the last party I was in, in addition to some healing, and I was happy with the results. Being an ex-BLM I would have stopped nuking and let the SMN DD if my DD wasn't to par with what should be expected it to be.
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#11 Mar 27 2009 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
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Main healing is what every sch should do in almost every situation,meripo too.
Until sch gets new (and decent) nuking gear.


SCH can activate their elemental obis at a whim, have some DoT that deal heavy damage over time (meaning less hate generation), and have job abilities that reduce the costs and casting time of nukes. It doesn't need any help with nuking in and of itself. What is wrong is SE poo pooing on nuking in general in this game.
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#12 Mar 27 2009 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
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^ This.

It's almost as if they are killing magic.
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#13 Mar 27 2009 at 3:20 PM Rating: Good
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Don't forget paralyze and slow, please.
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#14 Mar 27 2009 at 4:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you're talking about looking for a party, it also depends what level you're at. Pre-Aht Urghan areas, I found myself nuking quite a bit. It was early on too, but I was also asked to nuke predominately in Qufim, Yuhtunga/Yhoator jungles and even a bit in Crawler's Nest.

And even when you hit Aht Urghan areas, you can still nuke. If you have a decent PLD with a BRD or COR, you'll probably find you don't need to heal much. Against Lesser Colibri, you can still nuke, although not for consistent damage.

But it's pretty much main healing from then on, and I haven't hit endgame for SCH yet. I have to agree with the sentiments that magic is a lost cause endgame or even close to it. So, cool. You can just have a DRG auto-attack for a minute or so on Lesser Colibri and then bust out a 800 damage Penta Thrust with no effort or skill needed.

This game is just so frustrating sometimes. Makes me wonder why I like mage classes.
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#15 Apr 06 2009 at 6:17 AM Rating: Good
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At 53, 98% of the time, I have main healed in parties to this point.
Usually they request main healing and toss out a few enfeebs (slow, para).
If I see the party consistently doing a SC, and I am not being strapped for MP, I will usually burst on that as well.
Coming from a SMN, and WHM background - I love main healing in parties as SCH. It is incredibly effecient, and has a lot of options available to make the healing capabilites as good or better than a WHM of the same level.
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#16 Apr 06 2009 at 6:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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PriestoftheVoid wrote:
So let's say you're sitting around Looking For Party. What do you expect to be asked to do when an invite comes? Main healer?



93.5% of the time, you'll be expected to support a party under Light Arts.

2% of the time, you'll be invited to manaburn, and expected to support a party under Dark Arts.

3.5% of the time, you'll be asked to use random percentages to justify your play time allocation.

.5% of the time, this will work 50% of the time.
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#17 Apr 06 2009 at 7:51 AM Rating: Good
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On almost all my parties from 40 and onward I was asked to heal.

However; 95% of the time I would end up nuking because either SCH is way to efficient, or the party wasn't taking enough damage to justify me staying in Light Arts.

The only time this stopped was when we reached the second tier Colibri's (The ones that mimic). I pretty much soloed/campaigned my way trough that.
It is just way too boring to do a buff every minute and twiddle my thumbs in between.

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#18 Apr 08 2009 at 6:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Okay, thanks for the answers. Now let's turn things around: do you accept invites if you're asked to nuke? Let's say I invite you, then add in a WHM. Would you just switch to nuking?
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#19 Apr 09 2009 at 8:21 AM Rating: Default
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I had this same problem recently, and did not know what do to. I'm only 16SCH. I was invited to a pt that already had a WHM. The WHM was not keeping up with the healing, it's like she wasn't paying attention, so I ended up main healing. Then they brought in a pl, and I didn't know what to do at that point. Questions to the pt were not answered. Should I have switched to Dark Arts and started nuking?
#20 Apr 09 2009 at 9:25 AM Rating: Good
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You should be able to answer that question yourself. Being able to gauge the situation is one of the key aspects of playing SCH.

But to answer yes, you should have been nuking.
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#21 Apr 09 2009 at 11:21 AM Rating: Good
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If you are getting an invite its 95% of the time going to be you as mainhealer. 5% of the time it will be a manaburn invite from a BLM who wants to see what his damage is with Hailstorm.


No no... that 5% is form the BLM wanting to prove to himself (and his shell through ls chat) that he indeed can and will always out nuke a SCH XD

Silly BLM's, ja's are for SCH's ^ ^
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#22 Apr 09 2009 at 3:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh, I'm done SCH (37). I just see a lot looking for party, and wanted to make sure I wasn't annoying anyone by either making them healer, or nuker when I set up a PT.
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#23 Apr 11 2009 at 8:06 PM Rating: Decent
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1-52: I solo'd the majority, but the rare occasion I would take a PT invite, I would inform them that I would not main heal. If I was taking their PT invite, odds are I was going to be taking an EXP/hr cut.

52-60: I took PT invites as both nuker and healer. Nuking in a PT 52-60 will make you look somewhat impotent unless you have someone parsing the whole PT and you're smart about it. People expect AM type damage at these levels and SCH just doesn't nuke that way.

60-65: I didn't nuke in PTs and I began soloing again for most of this as I was finally beyond the dry spell where there isn't a SCH friendly camp.

65-73: I didn't take any PTs whatsoever. Solo EXP was just too good at these levels. <3 rats.

73-75: Meripo healing nets the best EXP/hr period. No nuking. No enfeebling. Just buff and occasionally cure. <3 30k/hr. I join manaburn PTs when they're offered to me. I solo when I feel the urge. I campaign a lot as I'm working on full cobra for my DNC and PUP *3/4 atm.

Alex. Over at KI, you posted about your nuking impotence. I'm not sure what you're doing wrong, but just because your numbers aren't worth it, doesn't mean all SCHs are. Find a veteran BLM *4 years+ of experience* on your server that can give you some serious tips about what you can do to help your numbers. Go w/ him to duo puddings and let him tweak your gear as you go. There's no reason to blame the job, however, for your lack of performance. *I'm not intending this to be mean or offensive in any way.*
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If you are getting an invite its 95% of the time going to be you as mainhealer. 5% of the time it will be a manaburn invite from a BLM who wants to see what his damage is with Hailstorm.


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No no... that 5% is form the BLM wanting to prove to himself (and his shell through ls chat) that he indeed can and will always out nuke a SCH XD

Silly BLM's, ja's are for SCH's ^ ^


Silly SCH, outnuking everyone else is for PUP, not BLM's or SCH's. ^^



Edited, Apr 19th 2009 1:41am by PsionofPhoenix
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