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#1 Mar 23 2009 at 11:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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So a little bit of background first. I leveled Scholar from 1 to 75 last year from about the end of January until the beginning of May. I loved the job and did everything I could to be the best I could at it (my only other 75 at the time was Black Mage, I since have Beastmaster as well). Then in May, my second son was born and playing a game where other people actually relied on me wasn't possible, so I went back to BST and put SCH on the back burner. Now, 10 months later, I'm ready to get back into things with SCH but I'm rusty as hell, so I'm looking for a few pointers.

I got in my first merit party since last May last night and did OK, but there were some problems. One, which wasn't mine, was that the Bard couldn't sleep the Colibri to save his life, so I ended up curing him more than I did the melees (the party was me/WAR/SAM/BRD/COR/DRK). My casting was essentially Accession+Firestorm (I have Stormsurge merited once from Campaign), Accession+En- (to match the day), Accession+Stoneskin, and Accession+Phalanx, plus any random Curing/Regens that needed to be handed out. For the most part, things went good, though the Bard did die twice and the WAR once. The Bard I'm pretty sure was his own fault, he pulled links on a few occasions that he couldn't sleep. The WAR I think may have been my fault. He started getting hit right after I had started casting Stoneskin and before I could cancel my casting and get a Cure III/IV off, he was dead.

So, what's the point of all this? Well, I just want to know if any of the more veteran Scholars out there have any tips. Am I doing something wrong? Should I have tried to sleep the Colibri myself even though I was on Light Arts? Is there anything I should be casting instead? Thanks in advance! :)
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#2 Mar 23 2009 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Being as i am a 75 sch and brd I can tell you right now that if your brd cant sleep the mobs than the pt is gonna suffer greatly and theirs not much you can do about it. Often times i will cast sleep to help pull when stupid parties try to steal camp, but you shouldnt have to sleep anything unless its a bad pull. And quite honestly, if your brd was having lil issues with sleeps.. the Cor should be stepping up before you do.
I'm just gonna assume you use sch/rdm, but if you find your having to sleep things, or need to, consider using bind instead. I know sublimation can keep you awake, but often i can go 1hr without using sublimation once and still keeping 4 aoe buffs up full time. So I almost never get the sublimation bonus of being woken up.
As for the brd, sometimes it just sux when you get someone lol'ing a job. Either endure it or dump him. If i were leader i would have dumped the brd and picked up someone else. I have zero patience for ppl not being prepared. lol. i hate meriting, so why make it harder on myself.

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#3 Mar 23 2009 at 10:10 PM Rating: Default
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Sch meritting? Best tip is to dual-box a job with Haste.
#4 Mar 24 2009 at 1:50 AM Rating: Good
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Kerberoz wrote:
Sch meritting? Best tip is to dual-box a job with Haste.

Wow, you're amazingly clever. Is your mommy proud of you? Why not wait to come back until you have something productive to add, hmm?
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#5 Mar 24 2009 at 5:32 AM Rating: Good
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Just a bad party, brd's will always have a problem sleeping birds to some extent. I know a bard with insane gear and still has a few resists once in a blue moon. I tend to get resisted on certain times, rarely but it happens. Now if the bard is getting more resisted than he is landing the sleeps..then yeah there's a problem with the bard himself.

The COR, should of help sleep. They can perform up there, I've one Cor to tell me to come /WHM i figured okay we're in a dual brd pt and the cor was going to change...ended up he pulled and I helped sleep along the way while just keeping songs up. The Cor did fine, the chains were insane and the birds were mass slaughtered. You should of gotten on the Cor too for not using light shot is what I'm saying.

For **** and giggles when I have the MP, i do toss the BRD a Aurorastorm, I've gotten "yes it helped me a lot..thank you" to "Not really, but doesn't hurt." When I'm on bard I ask for it just for the extra help even though it's a % that it won't come on, still having it come up at all is good for me.
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#6 Mar 24 2009 at 6:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Kerberoz wrote:
Sch meritting? Best tip is to dual-box a job with Haste.


as I've stated in other threads. It is possible to cap out the EXP you can receive on multiple camps without haste. Haste reduces the effort involved, but isn't necessary.

Sounds like you had a garbage BRD honestly. And if the WAR was taking damage during your stoneskin cast, you would have been best off finishing the cast rather than cancelling it. It's not too long of a spell to cast and would take just about as much time to finish as to cancel and start another spell. At least by finishing it, that'll give 350 HP mitagation that could have possibly kept the WAR alive.
#7 Mar 24 2009 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
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Always wondered why I never got main heal duties on SMN. Hastega is better than nothing. It sounds like you did everything right. Sadly, with all the clout BRD has, not all of them are godly and many of them fail (75BRD retired).
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#8 Mar 30 2009 at 11:38 AM Rating: Default
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Kerberoz wrote:
Sch meritting? Best tip is to dual-box a job with Haste.


rofl~
Haste is overrated. As Sch75 I have zero probs with pulling off 20-25k/hr with no haste. And something to be noted about haste... When i pull Brd, it is very few times that i ever get a rdm or whm that actually keeps a steady haste cycle. Its more like 1 person gets haste every 20mins. And no.. I dont get crappy rdm's or whm's when I pull. We still manage 200+chains and 20-25k/hr.

Haste... Bleh~

Nice to get when you get it, but doesn't make or break your ability to merit amazingly.
And this is just a Sch talking(Biased..), But i'd rather get enspells/+7str/SS/phalanx consistently, or close to it, than only getting haste. ^^

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#9 Mar 30 2009 at 1:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Sounds like it was just a bad party, but you can't really expect too much from pick ups.

I've gone to merit parties as 73 brd and sleeping is a problem, but honestly if you aren't facing heavy competition you just need to adjust your pulling speed. It isn't that hard and if you're not able to sleep them, slightly slower and safer pulls will probably do better than mp sponging and causing deaths. Once you get the timing down it's just a matter of having a moving target for the DDs to switch to rather than having it slept on top of them. If there was super heavy competition I think a scholar could reliably sleep them on the ones that are resisted, sublimation and/or dia would keep you awake most of the time! As far as sleeping you could probably just toss out a Sleep I with light arts on, 4 mp isn't terrible and hopefully you shouldn't be having to sleep every mob (iirc you get it as /rdm without having to addendum).

Haste is definitely a huge benefit especially when your DDs have haste gear and double marches, but a lot of pick ups are pretty terrible and if your DDs aren't being hasted anyways you might as well go scholar. Especially if you had a bunch of dual wielders the +7str from firestorm and the constant enspell damage while being able to curing could make the party balance out nicely. Of course outside hasting would make that party excel more than a rdm or whm.

Also if you're strapped for time scholars can go to the pudding camp and manaburn in mt. z. From what I've seen they do pretty well there and can make 10k+/hr on good days. Hailstorm with stormsurge could help you in party situations there too, seems like overall a helpful merit.
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