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#1 Jul 16 2008 at 12:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hi, I'm a long-time RDM and have not yet unlocked SCH (/DRK and /NIN are ahead of it in priority atm), so I'm coming to you guys for some advice. My younger brother just started the game, and is intent on becoming a SCH because he loves blowing stuff up (he's played around on my BLM sub before and really enjoys nuking stuff), but wants more versatility than what BLM has to offer, so SCH seems like a natural fit. The thing is, he's leveling BLM and doesn't seem too keen on leveling RDM (he's not a fan of melee fighting, and RDM is super slow at nuke soloing compared to BLM or SCH).

I think he intends to do BLM->37, Unlock SCH, SCH->75, and I've been encouraging him to do BLM->18, RDM->37, Unlock SCH, SCH->75, since I hear that most Scholars go /RDM nearly fulltime. I'm not sure if he will quit the game if he has to level RDM before even getting to touch SCH, so I'm curious if I leveled his RDM to 30 or so for him (so he can unlock SCH) if I would be gimping his SCH playskills horribly. I guess what I'm asking is if he will need the experience of leveling RDM to really get a handle on how to play SCH, or if he would be fine playing SCH without having lots of hands-on experience with RDM? Keep in mind this is his first job, but he has played on my BLM in Yuhtunga Jungle parties before with no problems.

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Edited, Jul 16th 2008 2:30pm by Aliekber
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#2 Jul 16 2008 at 2:41 PM Rating: Good
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Just got off the phone with him; apparently he's leveling RDM as we speak (up to RDM3 at the moment), so I guess it will be a non-issue as I promised to level a job from 18-30 with him once he gets RDM18 and to help him to unlock SCH once he gets RDM30.
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#3 Jul 16 2008 at 10:19 PM Rating: Good
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Well, SCH doesn't really feel much different than RDM until 40 when you finally get the ability to AoE some buffs. Your nukes will be slightly better than RDM's, but curative ability will be slightly lesser than a WHM's (in terms of status removals, anyway). Unfortunately, unless he takes up soloing, he will more than likely be main healing in a majority of the parties he's in as such is what I've experienced between campaigning on my now near-60 SCH.
#4 Jul 17 2008 at 4:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Just hit 40 last night on my scholar and loving every minute of it. Problem now is I have to stop and level my subs hehe.
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#5 Jul 17 2008 at 5:33 AM Rating: Decent
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/rdm is, imo, the best sub for sch 68+. What i have found, in my experience is that in the lower levels /blm sub is useful for the MAB, as i was nuking alot more in the low levels. /whm is good for main healing so you don't have to burn a charge for -na spells but you can heal just fine w/o it. Once i got stoneskin with /whm i stuck with that until i got stoneskin from /rdm at 68. I'm at 72 now and i don't see myself needing or wanting any other sub but /rdm, it offers SS, blink, phalanx, enspells, MAB trait, gravity, other enfeebles, etc.... Too many good things to not go /rdm imo.
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#6 Jul 17 2008 at 5:45 AM Rating: Decent
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OP: Being as that he's new to the game, playing rdm will help him develop a great understanding on the game mechanics and details. I'm sure he's learned quite a few already from toying with your blm, but that's not to say he won't learn more. Basically I think he'd be a better player and be better off by leveling his rdm vice you doing it for him (which you've already stated he will do, so no worries there).

As for other subs that he may need or want. I'm not saying that these are the only subs to use, or that this is the only path to level up with, but merely another addition to the suggestions already given. Many sch's choose to go the "dark arts" path full time. Around lvl 30 or so, you can cut off from parties, grab a static duo partner, and blast your heart out all the way to 75 with pretty decent ease. Should he choose to go this route, I recommend him taking /nin up to 33ish which will provide him with ninja shadows up until he is high enough to make use of /rdm. He could also choose to go /nin till 28, then change to /whm for blink and stoneskin until 33 or 34, then /rdm the rest of the way.

GL with which ever way you all choose to go ^.^ I hope you both enjoy it! It's a fantastic job!
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#7 Jul 17 2008 at 5:45 AM Rating: Default
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That's my plan is to level rdm only for my sub. Granted I have most other subs but whm/blm hehe. So it's rdm/sch to 37.
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#8 Jul 17 2008 at 8:53 AM Rating: Decent
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I full time /RDM on my 67SCH ;p.
#9 Jul 17 2008 at 9:57 AM Rating: Good
I'm currently slogging through Red Mage for my Scholar subjob, and it's feeling like a real chore (but then, I'm career Dark Knight and Corsair, so maging is virgin, vitually unexplored territory for me). My White Mage is at 43, so I can sub that, but I'm using Red Mage as my main sub, since at 46, it's now giving me the Magic Attack Bonus.

By comparison, my Black Mage is 18. I'll eventually get that up to par, but is Red Mage and White Mage subs enough to get me to 75 comfortably? I'm stacting with my Dark Knight friend (and teaching her how to DRK properly, since she's a career mage :p).
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#10 Jul 18 2008 at 1:40 AM Rating: Good
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Mieck the Brilliant wrote:
By comparison, my Black Mage is 18. I'll eventually get that up to par, but is Red Mage and White Mage subs enough to get me to 75 comfortably?


I'm 74 SCH at the moment, and in basically the same situation as you. I had WHM levled as a sub already, trudged through 37 levels of RDM, BLM is still at 18.

So yes, you can get to 75 easily without /BLM. I really don't see a huge use for /BLM until endgame events in which you're strictly DDing. Even in manaburns or soloing you don't want to pass up Stoneskin, Blink, Gravity, or Fast Cast. Endgame though, you probably would want /BLM as an option at least.

Being a career DRK though, you have that as an events option too, being able to put Stun on a half-timer and even "Stunga" seems pretty nifty.
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#11 Jul 18 2008 at 3:46 AM Rating: Good
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Mieck the Brilliant wrote:
By comparison, my Black Mage is 18. I'll eventually get that up to par, but is Red Mage and White Mage subs enough to get me to 75 comfortably?


I'm 74 SCH at the moment, and in basically the same situation as you. I had WHM levled as a sub already, trudged through 37 levels of RDM, BLM is still at 18.

So yes, you can get to 75 easily without /BLM. I really don't see a huge use for /BLM until endgame events in which you're strictly DDing. Even in manaburns or soloing you don't want to pass up Stoneskin, Blink, Gravity, or Fast Cast. Endgame though, you probably would want /BLM as an option at least.

Being a career DRK though, you have that as an events option too, being able to put Stun on a half-timer and even "Stunga" seems pretty nifty.


Thanks for the feedback. My friend who I'm levelling with is also working on her subjobs for DRK. She hates WAR with a passion, but she's determined to slog through it, so we can get back to SCH and DRK as soon as possible. I hadn't really considered the /DRK option, since SCH is the first mage job I've really cared about. I think BLM will be one of those jobs to throw EXP scrolls at repeatedly until it's done.

I'm following the same pattern as I did when levelling my Corsair, in that I can use my existing 75 to throw a few merits at the new job. I was able to merit Marksmanship which helped a great deal. I've got some existing merits in Dark Magic and Elemental Magic.
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#12rockguykev, Posted: Jul 18 2008 at 8:54 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tell your lil bro that if he likes blowing stuff up he had better play BLM because as a SCH the opportunities just aren't there unless he wants to gimp his party.
#13 Jul 18 2008 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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rockguykev wrote:
Tell your lil bro that if he likes blowing stuff up he had better play BLM because as a SCH the opportunities just aren't there unless he wants to gimp his party.

I nuked more, and more efficiently on rdm than on SCH. Once sch gets manifestation there is almost no reason/time to be nuking.


I agree with the notion that "If you want to blow stuff up, play BLM." On SCH you'll be invited to heal most of the time, and on top of that, it's just not practical to nuke a lot of standard ToAU exp mobs. Although the rest of that post makes no sense <.<

You nuked more efficiently on RDM than SCH? Were you nuking from Light Arts? SCH easily nukes more efficiently than RDM... ****, SCH nukes more efficiently than BLM... In comparison to RDM, SCH gets access to stronger nukes, has higher skill, and uses them for less MP. Unless the SCH is horribly gimped there's no way a RDM can out-nuke one.

Also, what's this about Manifestation? What does that have anything to do with SCH nuking? Manifestation is easily the least used stratagem in exp. situation, the only practical thing about it is access to a "Sleepga".

SCH doesn't nuke in parties because most of the ToAU mobs will either resist it or throw it back at you, but given a decent opportunity, SCH can nuke quite well.
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#14 Jul 28 2008 at 10:11 AM Rating: Default
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I meant accession that was my ***** up... not manifestation. Once you get your buffgas going that takes up most of your charges and mp.

The reason I say I nuked more efficiently on RDM is that nuking on SCH makes it more difficult to do what I know I should be doing on SCH (which in almost every party I get is enfeebling, buffgaing and curing). To get off a reasonable nuke I have to jump to dark arts which cancels addendum and puts me on a timer (which admittedly rarely mattered).

My RDM didn't do more damage than my SCH nukes but I could throw them out without any worry that I would miss a cure in doing so which is why I said it was more efficient. I meant in terms of time and actions not in terms of mp or damage.
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