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Elemental Also i think ONLY INT affects it so you wont need torques that give +elemental magic skill. Correct me if im wrong.

Thanks for the input, honestly im only 48 SCH so i havn't had a chance to play around with Helixes yet. I thought only INT+ affected them but i would'nt be surprised if MAB affects it too.

oh wow...such poor information im sorry OP.

helix are elemental nukes, as you can get elemental skill ups by casting them...

also they are heavily affected by int b/c its a straight check between your int and the mob's int. while magic attack *does* help its not enough to equip say...yigit body over errant body or vicious mufflers over errant hands or yigit hands. think of it this way. if magic attack = a % increase of dmg(disputable) and a helix will land for 100-150 depending a 5% increase is only 5 to 7.5 dmg extra.

a simple test: find a weak cheesy mob and cast helix in yigit body, grav it/bind it then cast the same helix in the same gear but switch out the yigit body for errant hpl. while the 5% does increase the dmg(you can cast w/o a body to see the diff) the errant hpl. will far outperform it.

and elemental skill is good to prevent resists but its more likely that if your having problems with that, the mob's int is too high to do much damage in the first place.

Interesting you say this yet only reiterate the exact same information already posted, just more drawn out.



From the tests i've done in mount zhayolm (sp?) on erucas, wamoura princes, and trolls near the gate, mufflers out dmged errant cuffs, uggy (obviously) out dmged enlightned chain, and of course, Obi out damaged Penitent's Rope.





Edited, Jul 10th 2008 9:27am by xXxNaobixXx

using the forumla on wiki: ((YourINT -1) - EnemyINT) + 25 * Weather Bonus * Magic Attack Bonus) and then adding staff boosts you can start putting real numbers out there to compare. so lets compare errant, vicious mufflers, and yigit respectivly in the same situation.

errant -(120-1-50) +25 X 1.1 X 1.27 X 1.15 = 151.0157
mufflers -(115-1-50) +25 X 1.1 X 1.32 X 1.15 = 148.6122
yigit -(120-1-50) +25 X 1.1 X 1.29 X 1.15 = 153.3939

120 is my max int atm, 50 is an assumtion of mob int(a weak/non mage/non HNM mob) 1.07 is the magic attack of moldy earring and yigit boots plus 20 from rdm sub is 1.27, 1.12 is the magic attack swapping out errant hands for vicious mufflers and 1.32 is the magic attack with rdm sub. here we see errant hands > vicious mufflers and yigit hands > both

errant - (120-1-20) +25 X 1.1 X 1.27 X 1.15 = 199.2122
mufflers -(115-1-20) +25 X 1.1 X 1.32 X 1.15 = 198.7062
yigit -(120-1-20) +25 X 1.1 X 1.29 X 1.15 = 202.3494

a weaker mob; we see that vicious mufflers still fall behind with yigit hands still out placing both

errant - (120-1-80) +25 X 1.1 X 1.27 X 1.15 = 102.8192
mufflers - (115-1-80) +25 X 1.1 X 1.32 X 1.15 = 98.5182
yigit -(120-1-80) +25 X 1.1 X 1.29 X 1.15 = 104.4384

this is a stronger mob, maybe a mage, with 80 base int. results are typical. yigit > errant > mufflers

as the int of the mob gets lower producing higher # dmg the magic attack will boost it more b/c of the nature of %'s. however, this does not mean that vicious mufflers are better, in fact they are worse as the formula shows. as the mob gets harder int becomes EVEN MORE a factor for the dmg.

mathmatically proving vicious mufflers are not better than errant. i'm sorry if this peice of equipment took u a while to get or was a pain to get. however, this does not make it the end all hand equip. further more, sch can not equip a
philomath stole, so i would appreciate it if u stopped trolling the forums.

edit: my int is 120, i forgot some peices of equip and what my base int was(64+56). also worked in magic attack from rdm sub job.

Edited, Jul 7th 2008 6:50pm by XIglooX