Lol, so much emo. QQ moar, dood.
Just can't let go of the whole colibri incident, can you? (Nevermind the fact that it has absolutely nothing to do with this thread...) What, is it that painful for you to accept the fact that some melees suck? I have no idea why it even affects you that much, especially if you're not one of the retarded melees I cited in that particular example (you aren't, are you?), but I swear you're more fanatical about it than those Bible thumpers who show up at my door are about pressing their religion onto others.
Give us an exact figure on the "minimum proc rate" for guard. It's definitely less than 5%, and possibly quite lower. While leveling it, I do recall noticeably long dry spells of several minutes long, even with dozens of mobs whacking me at once.
I've meleed through a pack of mobs at certain times without ever missing, that must mean my accuracy is 100%!
If you're going to act like a haughty piece of sh*t, you'd best be right.
I happen to think it's not really a good idea to be a haughty piece of sh*t for no good reason even if you are right, because that will usually just lead to people not wanting to listen to you anyway. And hey, you aren't always right to begin with, so what does that make you? Pot, kettle, black, etc. But I digress.
So you're saying guard does nothing? Is that what you want me to say? If that is the case, why do you bother bragging about it in your sig like it matters? Perhaps you are upset that you've put as much effort into it as you have but have not seen any noticeable improvement from getting it there? If that is the case, that's justifiable; a lot of other people have complained about the same thing. But that doesn't have anything to do with the thread. For you to suggest that the skill itself does nothing (nevermind the fact that increased skill may not improve it to a noticeable degree) is quite a stretch.
There is absolutely nothing that I said as fact in my first post that is even debatable. The one statement I made that wasn't a question was that guard has a minimal chance to proc regardless of how underskilled it is, which is easily proven to be true (both by people I know and by my own experiences). This should not be some weird concept; both physical attacks and magical attacks work similarly.
I wouldn't feel comfortable claiming it "helped" until I had a figure for it. Is it once in a while, or a snowball's chance in hell? If it were as low as 1%, you'd be a desperate imbecile to try to throw that in my face.
See, I don't need figures like that to know that it helps. I don't need to know how much magic damage Shell blocks to know that Shell blocks magic damage. What I might need a figure for is determining HOW MUCH damage it is reducing, but that is not what's in question here. You're acting like the OP said "the MNK's guard reduced my MP expenditure by an overall 13.7%!" when that's not what he said, or even suggested, at all.
And no, typically when I have a MNK tanking (which has been quite often, as I've duoed with plenty of MNKs in my lifetime), I can see their guard proc about as often as parry from another melee typically does, even when it's vastly underskilled. Not nearly as much as a shield does, but we can't have everything, now can we?
I'm confident you're dumb enough to say even a 0.0001% chance of guarding would prove your point, because AH-HA! It did something! Don't bother going there.
Blatant exaggeration definitely helps your position, rite?
Bottom line: if you get a guard proc, that means it did something, whether it procs 100% of the time or 0.0001% of the time. And since the OP said that there were guard procs, it looks like it did something. The proc rate is absolutely irrelevant, because we know that there were procs.
But no, guard procs aren't even all that rare. I know it sure seems that way sometimes with your several minute long "dry spells" of no procs (guess what, this kind of thing happens with almost every other thing in this game that relies on chance, which in itself includes almost everything in the game), but stuff tends to average out in the end.
I know THFs who tend to think they are evading something 90-95% of the time, simply because they evaded a mob 10, 20, or even more times in a row. I just smile and say, don't worry, eventually he'll miraculously hit you 4-5 times in a row and balance it out. And more often than not, it happens soon after I say it. (For the unaware, physical evasion ceiling is 80%; in other words, physical accuracy can never fall below 20%.)
A little early to start the queer cyber-laughing. Can you ever get through a flame thread without using "HAHAHAHAHA", "LOLOLOL", or some other awkward variant.
It might be easier to do so if you didn't post so much lol-worthy material.
Who? Is that someone else you stalk? Why are you going out of your way to flame someone who isn't even in the thread?
That wasn't really so much a flame so much as it was stating a fact.
But really, lol if you thought that was a flame to begin with. I guess I won't be able to get away with calling someone a poopyhead anymore without someone taking that as a flame, either. =/