Guesses towards SCH meritsFollow

I really, really hope SE isn't this stupid.

Your tier I merits are probably just about dead on... Although Id add modus veritas recast reduction.
For group II merits I would bet on either the Seasonal spells that are in the dat files.(I havent seen them in game yet) or Helix II spells. (Still praying that SE will fix the formula)

I would like to see timers shorter for Klimaform and Modus Veritas for sure.... There is no point in using MV unless your stacking it with more sch's.

Those seasonal moves aren't spells, those are pixie TP moves. Hence why I hope you've never seen them.

Tier ones are probably what you said, tier 2's are probably storm II's for double weather.

tier 2 storm or weather is out of the question imo b/c there are 8 of them each and these would fill up all the tier2 merits. so it would be either all the tier2 storm spells or all the tier 2 helix spells and since there is a limit to how many times u can merit u would not b able to learn all of them (which is fine i guess, only ice/thunder would be desired in most situations). but to my second point:

SE will probably want to add 2 meritable strategems so combined with the above spells that would be 10 slots, too many.

crimsone grimore can be our relic!^^

equipable in the ranged/ammo slot. "addendum: red" allows 20% less mp/cast time and access all spells.

thats what i thought when i did this battle lol.

I was more or less hoping for an assload of Enhancing/Enfeebling magics naturally. lol If its a flame war you want, that would be all you'd need.

rofl thats crazy enough to be true o.0

Group 1

Storm Duration: Increases duration of "storm" spells by 10 seconds.

Helix Accuracy: Increases accuracy of "helix spells" by 2.

Strategem Charge Delay: Decreases strategem charge delay by 2 seconds .

Sublimation Effect Increases max amount of stored MP by 2%.



Group 2

Ability: Chirality: Enhances the effect of the next Helix spell (Recast -60 seconds per upgrade) (Doubles the potency of the next helix spell, can be combined with Modus Veritas)

Trait: Geomancy: Adds magic attack bonus to 'Klimaform'.

Ability: Light Arts: Expatiation : Increases duration of next enhancing magic spell.(Duration +10% per upgrade)

Ability: Dark Arts: Vexation: Increases duration of next enfeebling magic spell.(Duration +10% per upgrade)

Edited, Mar 29th 2008 1:57pm by TheHolyDragoonSeraphus

Wonder when BLMs will start bitching about the suggestion of Ebullience being enhanced.

Crimson Grimoire, if you know the story--would kind of be...weird being a relic for players..don't you think?

I approve all of these!

Pulling from what Kodo suggested . . .


Group 1

Helix Accuracy: Increases accuracy of helix spells by 3.

Klimaform Duration: Increase duration of Klimaform spell by 15 seconds.

Modus Veritas Recast: Lower recast by 20 seconds.

Stratagem Charge Recast: Lower recast time by 2 seconds.

Sublimation Effect: Increase max amount of MP stored by 2%.


Group 2.

Ability Tempest: Enhances effect of next storm spell. 15min Recast Additional merit reduces recast time by 45 seconds

Ability Weather Warfare: Allows casting of storm spells on enemies. Targeted monsters are engulfed in the element, lowering their resistances to spells and weapon skills of the opposing element.

Spell Weather Quell: Decreases MP cost for targeted party member, when casting spells of the same element as the current weather. (-5% reduction per upgrade)

Spell Decoy: Increases amount of enmity gained by targeted party member's actions by 2.

Well, speculation is always fun and I did not see anyone re-mention this from way back in the day. The 3 unidentified scholar animations:

Skip to 1:48 in video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1GOBzo_ux8

Chances are if anything, those are still probably the tier 2's and not the tier 1's, but I'm sorta hoping that maybe SE will include both tier 1s and tier 2s at the same time for the new jobs (I know wishful thinking.)

Well anyway what do you think those 3 animations could be knowing what you know about scholar now? Making it possible to have double weather instead of just single? That would be kinda lame to merit if that guess is right...

sorry but if i'm correct the abilities in that vid are the TP moves used by pixies, i've seen them use a couple (btw sucks BLU never got cyclonic turmoil, that move looks cool)

There's a currently unused Scholar JA animation in the DATs, which was added along with Sublimation - whether it's one of the merit abilities or not, I have no clue. POLUtils lists it as 'gak_eras'; all Scholar abilities start with 'gak_'. If you want to take a look it's ROM/198/47.DAT. 'eras' definitely suggests that something is erased, though I have no clue what. Sublimation is listed as 'gak_heal', so it could be interpreted in a few ways. Ideas?

(Slightly off-topic, I haven't actually seen Modus Veritas used in-game, but I assume it's ROM/197/67.DAT?)


Yeah as Darknightleo said, those are Pixie TP moves. You can usually tell when an animation is an NPC TP move by how the character's arms move in the BLU fashion, when testing them out in AltanaView. Monsters (with some exceptions) only have one 'readying' animation when it comes to TP moves, white magic, black magic, etc. so AltanaView for some reason defaults to the BLU casting animation.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Group 1 merits Light Arts -2secs and Dark Arts -2secs or something similar.

enfeebling magic: 75 scholar no merits is 20 points below 75 red mage no merits, even with full merits in skill and arts, is STILL 2 points below a red mage w/ no merits

healing magic: 75 scholar no merits is 20 points below 75 White mage no merits, even with full merits in skill and arts, is STILL 2 points below a White mage w/ no merits

elemental magic: 75 scholar no merits is 20 points below 75 Black mage no merits, even with full merits in skill and arts, is STILL 2 points below a Black mage w/ no merits

enhancing magic: 75 scholar no merits is tied w/ 75 red mage no merits. you have an argument there

dark magic: 75 scholar no merits is 13 points below 75 black mage(dark knight) no merits. W/ full merits 75 scholar is 5 points above 75 black mage(dark knight) no merits, 3 points below 75 Blm(drk)full merits.

Divine magic: 75 scholar no merits is 13 points below 75 white mage no merits. W/ full merits 75 scholar is 5 points above 75 White mage no merits, 3 points below 75 White mage full merits.

AF enhancements are ignored due to the fact each top tier job gets the same boost from AF that a sch gets from enhanced arts on their AF, so it comes to rare/ex or AH skill gear, which is largely available to both if sch can use at all.

Also, a 75 scholar can only full merit 2 magic skills(assuming s/he doesn't have blu, smn, or nin leveled to burn one of those skill slots). every job listed above only has 2 skills they're listed on. so a pure max merit whm can full boost divine and healing(they wouldn't, but they can), because they don't have to worry about elemental, or a pure blm can full boost dark/elemental, they don't have to worry about enhancing or healing. sch needs to be able to do ALL skills(cept divine, lolbanish) at a high level.

But basically a naked sch w/ full merits as suggested, has 0 chance of catching a full merited blm's ele skill, a full merited whm's healing skill, or a full merited rdm's enfeebling skill.

As for enhancing the ONLY skill scholar can beat out the "more efficient" job in(rdm vs sch):
1. rdm ISN'T more efficient, they have the same skill, rdm was just FIRST
2. as a party member I'd WANT a sch to have higher skill in enhancing since they enhance OTHERS, rdm spells that use enhancing skill(refresh/regen/haste don't use skill) just enhances themselves w/ the exception of phalanx 2

edit: got some jobs mis-aligned, copy-paste burns me again

Edited, Aug 4th 2008 5:33pm by sscearcev

The 4 tier 1's will be
Helix accuracy+
Helix potency+
Light arts recast-
Dark arts recast-
Modus Veritas recast-

Since they already fixed storm duration and enhanced sublimation with AF, and since klimaform's quite powerful, those are out now.

Tier 2's will be the 8 weather 2 spells.

I doubt they'd honestlly give SCH any new abilities in their merits, since mages always get new spells. (with the exception of WHM, who basicly has every spell a healer could get before merits, and BRD because they're only kind of a mage. Even then they're half new spells half stuff they should have had already.) Just like all of BLM, SMN, RDM and NIN's tier 2's were all new spells.

Why not stratagem recast -2 sec per merit? I think that'd be very likely (see THF, etc). Other than that, I hope they don't do anything that makes SCH too broken.

If sch gets an elemental DAY spell, my drg is gonna splooge.

Speculation is indeed fun...

Group 2 merits

Job Trait: Alignment
Grants an additional 2% accuracy and damage bonus to "Storm" spell effects per merit.

Strategem: Augmentation
Extends the effect of your next elemental black magic spell to all foes within range. Additional merits reduce the potency loss on multiple targets by 2%.

Strategem: Attenuate
Extends the effect of your next enfeebling white magic spell to all foes within range. Additional merits enhance the accuracy and duration of spells by 2%.

Job Ability: Acclimatize
Greatly enhances the effect of your next storm spell. Grants double weather bonus for spells cast. Recast 15 minutes. Additional merits reduce recast time by 2 minutes and 30 seconds.

Edited, Aug 12th 2008 1:27pm by Crystan

So, by maxing out both of these, and getting elemental obis from sea, you have a 35% damage boosting storm spell that you can have up 100% of the time? >.>

Edited, Aug 12th 2008 10:21pm by KodoReturns

http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics/ff11us/detail/3572/detail.html

Good "news" everyone! We have a teaser!

the prime avatar fights would be the new 'omg i have to do this now' (for the day effect rings)

why i doubt this would happen example 1/x

scholar uses hailstorm and iceday... (ice ring +15 ele skill) ice obi....yea, not gonna happen. (i agree it'd be sweet)

but there are simply too many examples such as this that would be nearly gamebreaking.

I'd expect new strategems or job traits for category 2 merits as well. SE representatives have said before that they don't necessarily consider scholar to be a mage job per say. That is to say that the bread and butter of sch is not its spells (as is the case with whm,rdm,blu,blm), but for sch it is the job abilities used in combination with the spells from its main or sub job that make sch everything it is. It has no access to tier iv spells, those only come with the use of two seperate job abilities. And honestly I think 2 new strategems and 2 new traits if thought through well would do more for the job than just new spells, but I wouldn't turn down some really good new spells either.