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#1 Feb 26 2008 at 5:42 PM Rating: Default
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Scholar @ 75 is a job with a lot of potential but several things hinder this job from reaching its full power.

First of all most of our defining job abilities are based solely off of our support job.

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grants sch Erasena, Poisona, Silenaga, Blindnaga, Stoneskinga Blinkga Aquaveilga and access to Divine seal which allows a sch/whm access to the most powerful curing in the game outside of whm main.Regenga and Regenga II we get natively.

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gives an int bonus and Mab II trait along with all the elemental enfeebling spells. The only other real bonus here is Elemental seal and Bindga. Aspirga and Drainga we get natively.

MY Overall sub of choice
/RDM gives a Sch an int bonus Mab I trait and Fastcast bonuses. Also you get

Phalanxga, Stoneskinga, Blinkga, Aquaveilga, Bindga, Gravityga and all Enspellgas.

Im sure im forgetting some but these are the main aspects of each subjob.



Now for the jobs specific abilities
The Storm spells are nice but need a lot of improvement the most noticable thing is that they bump the % of damage slightly and help with resists and Helix spells.

Helix spells.... Sigh.
the Helix spells are not tierd as far as i can tell the only difference is in cryohelix because of the int bonus from nq/hq staff and elemental day bonuses.
My biggest complaint with the helix spells is the Long count between ticks. If they had the same tick rate as other dot spells they would be very powerful. In most exp pty fights a helix will only get 1 or two ticks depending on the pty so if your luminohelix lands on an imp for 150 and you use modus veritas to amplify it the mob will usually be dead before the second tick actually happens.
giving you a grand total of 150 damage. that is definitly not good.
In my opinion Se should re evaluate the initial damage of helix spells.

Wrap up
Hopefully our AF will give us a nice int boost and at least 10-15 in most magic skills . Se Said themselves that they intend to actually make sch more powerful and interesting to play. Lets all hope they do.
I believe this job has a ton of potential its not bad its not weak its just very very New.
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#2Cljader, Posted: Feb 26 2008 at 6:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well they need to do something with manifestation, cuz it sucks ***!
#3 Feb 27 2008 at 8:48 AM Rating: Decent
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If ppl ask the question, What is Scholar?
(pure Scholar with no SJ)

One of the way to answer is:
A combine of WHM/BLM/RDM
take away Raise II, III, teleport, all na spell from WHM
take away Tier 4 spells, Warp, Escape, Tractor
take away Convert, Refresh, Dispel from RDM

What you get:
* Dark, Light Arts - lower MP cost, fast cast, change Skill level to B+
* Stratagems with options to
1/2 MP cost, fast cast, Multi target spells, enhance spell, enhance helix
* Stormspell (~40-60) - Weather spell enchance spells with specific element and
trigger certain equipment's effect
* Helix (~60-75) - DoT (Supposely the strongest DoT in the game)

That should include everything that a Scholar has.
Like the first post said, SJ takes an important role in Scholar Jobs.
You can get a lot of benefit from it's SJ.

In my opinion, giving up Raise II, III, no Convert, no Refresh, no Tier 4 spells and lower it's magic skill to B+ really gimps the job.
Who would want a Scholar(BLM) in the party if their spells keep getting resisted or like the first post said deal 150dmg with their Helix spell? If you Raise a high level job they'll say Raise I, no thanks. Without Refresh and Convert is really weak. Helix is DOT but even Shock gives you -attribute effects. If your Helix deals 150 dmg, why not just cast another FIRE II? So far Scholar spells can only do four things HP -/+, MP -/+, Dmg or Raise, I think they should get spells like Sleep (all other mage jobs has their own native sleep spells), this is the job that deals the most magic damage after BLM. If it can't deal 1500 dmg, can it at least deal 1000 dmg?

That's just my though.
What do you think?






#4 Feb 27 2008 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
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Expected "Still Alive" dealing with scholars >:(



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#5 Feb 27 2008 at 9:44 AM Rating: Good
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Blinks wrote:
Raise I, no thanks.

What do you think?


I think that anyone that cries about losing 1200xp should stfu and get over it. Sure, if there's a White Mage around, take the Raise III. I take Raise Is all the time when there's a White Mage with me, just to speed things up. 1200xp is not something that's difficult to get back, for any job. I can Campaign on my level 66 Samurai and get that back in one Campaign. Ten minutes meriting, pending the strength of your party. The only time someone should need a Raise III is when anything else won't keep them leveled. Even then, they should've had a bigger buffer.
#6 Feb 27 2008 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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These "overviews" seem to be about as useful as a poopy flavored lollipop.
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#7 Feb 27 2008 at 12:54 PM Rating: Good
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Xkallybhur wrote:
Expected "Still Alive" dealing with scholars >:(



Kally's disappointment skill raises .3 points

I wasn't. But a) I love that song and b) it's now stuck in my head. So, without further ado, no skillups for you,

SEPaMMOOS:

This was a triumph
I'm making a note here:
HUGE SUCCESS.
It's hard to overstate
my satisfaction
SquareEnix Dev Team
We do what we must
Because we can.
For the good of all players
Except the ones who have quit.
But there's no sense crying
over every mistake.
You just keep on trying
till you run out of cake.
The expansion gets done.
And you make some new fun.
For the players who still
haven't quit.


Players:

We're not even angry.
We're being so sincere right now.
Even though you rushed Wings of
the Goddess.
With lame new equipment.
And only Campaign that is worthwhile.
As we exp it hurts because
We are so happy with you!
Now this new expansion's
getting content in rhyme
Since you flew through beta.
You released it on time!
So we're glad we got burned.
Think of all the things we learned
We're the players who still
haven't quit.

SEPaMMOOS:

Wait for the update
Your socks will be knocked clean off, you'll see
Maybe you'll do something else
until then.
Maybe go outside...
THAT WAS A JOKE, HA HA, FAT CHANCE.
Anyway this game is great.
It's so enthralling and long
Look at me still talking when there's teasers to do
When I proofread them
It makes me glad I'm not you
I've got playtesting to run
There is research to be done
On the players who still
haven't quit.

And believe me I still
haven't quit.
I've got expansions and I
haven't quit.
I feel FANTASTIC and I
haven't quit.

And when you're tired I still
haven't quit.
And when you've quit, nope, I still
haven't quit.

haven't quit.
haven't quit.

PS: Yes, I know it's about WotG and not Scholar.
PPS: Apologies to all those offended by SEPaMMOOS's "outside" joke. I'm mostly laughing at myself since it's below freezing outside at the moment.
PPPS: Further apologies to all the WotG fanboys I offended with the rest of the song.
PPPPS: Final apologies to all the WotG detractors I annoyed with the above apology, as well as to anyone else offended by anything else herein.

Final thought: "Still Alive" needs more parodies.
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#8 Feb 27 2008 at 1:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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please don't play me if you type like this :(
#9 Feb 27 2008 at 4:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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#10YashasThoughts, Posted: Feb 27 2008 at 4:57 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I am actually confused by this Bindga and Gravityga are really really helpfull in a lot of endgame events. Especially Einherjar and Dynamis.
#11 Feb 27 2008 at 5:24 PM Rating: Decent
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YashasThoughts wrote:
[quote]I am actually confused by this Bindga and Gravityga are really really helpfull in a lot of endgame events. Especially Einherjar and Dynamis.


When have you ever needed Bindga or Graviga in Dynamis? I can't even think of a situation where it would be useful. Maybe if you wanted to make Dynamis a bit more interesting, but for efficiency?
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When have you ever needed Bindga or Graviga in Dynamis? I can't even think of a situation where it would be useful. Maybe if you wanted to make Dynamis a bit more interesting, but for efficiency?


I don't see a use for either in namis as well, BUT sleep is a good use. My LS probably wont be begging me to come as sch instead of rdm but its still a decent pick.
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#13 Feb 27 2008 at 6:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Aramail wrote:
When have you ever needed Bindga or Graviga in Dynamis? I can't even think of a situation where it would be useful. Maybe if you wanted to make Dynamis a bit more interesting, but for efficiency?


I don't see a use for either in namis as well, BUT sleep is a good use. My LS probably wont be begging me to come as sch instead of rdm but its still a decent pick.[/quote]

Meh, I haven't been to a Dynamis run where we were begging for people that could sleep mobs.
#14 Mar 02 2008 at 8:04 PM Rating: Default
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my ls actually doesnt even want me to come as sch lol
my sch is 54 now and im planning on taking to 75 asap which they know about and said "dont bother on sch in dyna just so you know..."

i asked one of my officers why not and what role id play in dyna as sch and he said, because sch sleep is nothing compared to blm and rdm sleep, sch nukes are less than nothing compared to blm or melee damage, helixes are useless in most cases in the game, and graviga and bindga are known to be resisted too often so are then a waste of time

he said if i wanted i could come to be main healer but we have a bunch of whms who are willing and ready
so in all my sch is never needed

he did say however that when i get sky they want to try my sch out for its helixes on kirin but from what ive read around these forums i told my officer that the helixes are useless on kirin due to the damage calculator and stuff he said " oh... so whats the point of sch again???"
#15 Mar 04 2008 at 2:59 PM Rating: Good
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"Known to be resisted" lol. Just say something everytime you see your BLM/RDM get resisted. Of course you're going to get resisted, that's how the game works. My main point was it isn't necessary, which (combined with the way the helix and weather spells work) puts Scholar into a useless spot.
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