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#1 Feb 25 2008 at 5:11 AM Rating: Decent
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ok so i keep hearing lots of storys about scholars joining manaburns so much that
well it seems to be a common practice among us to join manaburns so here is my question, what is our role in manaburn party's and how common is it for a single person to get into them at any givin moment
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#2 Feb 25 2008 at 8:47 AM Rating: Decent
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; ; how come nobody will answer me
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#3 Feb 25 2008 at 9:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Because the only reason to invite a Scholar to a manaburn is because there's no more BLMs. Really. When you join a manaburn and you see the BLMs doing their tier IV nukes while you put along with your tier IIIs, you'll be sad.

I asked the parties if they wanted me to cast the weather spells. After I told them what they did, they told me to "just nuke" the monsters.
#4 Feb 25 2008 at 10:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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thats strange. Usually in a manaburn I alternate AoE thunderstorm and hailstorm and the blms nuke with that element. My tier 3's will do anywhere from 700-950. I don't join pickup manaburns though, my ls members put them together and grab me in opposition to someone they don't know.
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#5 Feb 25 2008 at 10:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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so scholars are invited but to buff / replace a blm when nobody else can ok thanks for your help guys much apreciated
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#6 Feb 25 2008 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
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shadowkind wrote:
thats strange. Usually in a manaburn I alternate AoE thunderstorm and hailstorm and the blms nuke with that element. My tier 3's will do anywhere from 700-950. I don't join pickup manaburns though, my ls members put them together and grab me in opposition to someone they don't know.


Well, we weren't 75 at the time. I think one BLM was 73, the rest were 70. I could've AoE'd a weather, but given that they weren't just casting Ice/Thunder (and they didn't seem to want the spells) my time was better spent nuking.

I'm not saying you can't nuke for 700-950 (see Kanican link) but for the most part, you're taking the spot of a BLM that could do better (given that he was a good player, good gear, etc). In my manaburns, we had 5 people most of the time with BLMx4 and me, as Scholar. Replacing me with a Bard would have been better, but another Black Mage probably would've been overkill. I'd invite a Linkshell Scholar over a random BLM anyday, though.
#7 Feb 25 2008 at 12:27 PM Rating: Good
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Here is the breakdown although sch doesnt get tier 4 spells it still does awesome dmg with tier 3, not to mention the helix's and weather spells help out a lot more than you think.

as far as nukeing go's:
BLM > SCH > RDM
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Here is the breakdown although sch doesnt get tier 4 spells it still does awesome dmg with tier 3, not to mention the helix's and weather spells help out a lot more than you think.

as far as nukeing go's:
BLM > SCH > RDM


thanks thats good info to know and pretty much exactly what i was looking for
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#9 Feb 25 2008 at 12:48 PM Rating: Default
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Replacing me with a Bard would have been better, but another Black Mage probably would've been overkill.

Don't take full parties to puddings. That's a solo camp. Go to a real party camp.
#10 Feb 25 2008 at 12:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Replacing me with a Bard would have been better, but another Black Mage probably would've been overkill.

Don't take full parties to puddings. That's a solo camp. Go to a real party camp.


We weren't at puddings.
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Replacing me with a Bard would have been better, but another Black Mage probably would've been overkill.

Don't take full parties to puddings. That's a solo camp. Go to a real party camp.
It's a solo camp for people who can actually solo them. There's nothing wrong with a duo or trio there.
#12 Feb 28 2008 at 10:17 PM Rating: Decent
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all in all the fact is that SCH is a good back up nuker in Manaburns is what im hearing thanks for your help guys maybe a BLM or 2 will read this and we can get into a few mana burns ^^
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#13 Feb 29 2008 at 12:33 AM Rating: Good
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Codyy wrote:
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Replacing me with a Bard would have been better, but another Black Mage probably would've been overkill.

Don't take full parties to puddings. That's a solo camp. Go to a real party camp.
It's a solo camp for people who can actually solo them. There's nothing wrong with a duo or trio there.


true, but if you have a full party of blm's, then please, go to another camp.
When i search for a party as a blm, i solo those puddings. but i state in my searchcomment that i do not party on those puddings. These are good to solo, or in smaller groups. when i party, i try to find a real party where there is atleast some coördination, instead of the "ZOMG a pudding popped! Thunder IV!" This can be really annoying when you solo and open with AMII and you get the message "your target is already claimed" before you finish casting.

As for Sch in manaburns: i have fire-ice-thunder-dark obi's. A scholar would make for some sweet love. ^^

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#14 Feb 29 2008 at 6:14 AM Rating: Good
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Killing puddings would be fun, get away from normal parties to go to a smaller one and kill puddings or anything where black mages can just..destroy.


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i try to find a real party where there is atleast some coördination, instead of the "ZOMG a pudding popped! Thunder IV!"


You find those? I find "Colibri! Hack at it boys!!!" 4 melee's haul **** over to it and slaughter it with the best of their own abilities. I miss strategy..oh well what can ya do ^^
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#15 Feb 29 2008 at 12:29 PM Rating: Good
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Unclear wrote:
Killing puddings would be fun, get away from normal parties to go to a smaller one and kill puddings or anything where black mages can just..destroy.


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i try to find a real party where there is atleast some coördination, instead of the "ZOMG a pudding popped! Thunder IV!"


You find those? I find "Colibri! Hack at it boys!!!" 4 melee's haul **** over to it and slaughter it with the best of their own abilities. I miss strategy..oh well what can ya do ^^


Strategy...? I've done the same thing since I started. It involves engaging the mob, waiting for that bar to hit 100%, then make mob dead.

And don't die.

Sometimes cure the people in the party. Maybe.
#16xXSaphieraXx, Posted: Mar 01 2008 at 1:13 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Actually the other day, I made a mana PT including: BLM,BLM,BLM,BLU,SCH,BRD and we did pretty amazing, especially since SCH could Cure III anyone that needed it as well as nuke almost as good as BLM although BLM was a little bit better at it.
#17 Mar 01 2008 at 5:38 PM Rating: Decent
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xXSaphieraXx wrote:
Actually the other day, I made a mana PT including: BLM,BLM,BLM,BLU,SCH,BRD and we did pretty amazing, especially since SCH could Cure III anyone that needed it as well as nuke almost as good as BLM although BLM was a little bit better at it.


The BLM should be a lot better at it. Unless you had **** BLMs, which is to be expected these days.
#18 Mar 02 2008 at 7:50 PM Rating: Decent
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ive heard nothing but bad things about helix spells in mana burn parties on my server
im not very familiar with mana burn parties since my main is smn and have only done a few but from what ive seen from my year and a half partying dots are never ever used, pretty much in any situation since time and sleep are always a priority

correct me if im wrong but just from what ive observed
#19 Mar 04 2008 at 2:27 PM Rating: Decent
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We've been using Scholar as a Black Mage to nuke, not cast the -helix line of spells. I haven't heard of anyone using the -helix spells for anything, really. I know someone posted a few pictures of them being used on sky guards, but he has another jobs he can do on that would be more useful.
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Unclear wrote:
Killing puddings would be fun, get away from normal parties to go to a smaller one and kill puddings or anything where black mages can just..destroy.


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i try to find a real party where there is atleast some coördination, instead of the "ZOMG a pudding popped! Thunder IV!"


You find those? I find "Colibri! Hack at it boys!!!" 4 melee's haul **** over to it and slaughter it with the best of their own abilities. I miss strategy..oh well what can ya do ^^


true strike :-/
i don't really like that type of aht urghan camps.
it's hard to believe lolibri's didn't go extinct. (maybe after an update will announce the birds were no longer able to reproduce, so goodbye birdies ^^)
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#21 Mar 05 2008 at 10:28 AM Rating: Decent
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RhadamantisRagnarok wrote:
Unclear wrote:
Killing puddings would be fun, get away from normal parties to go to a smaller one and kill puddings or anything where black mages can just..destroy.


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i try to find a real party where there is atleast some coördination, instead of the "ZOMG a pudding popped! Thunder IV!"


You find those? I find "Colibri! Hack at it boys!!!" 4 melee's haul **** over to it and slaughter it with the best of their own abilities. I miss strategy..oh well what can ya do ^^


true strike :-/
i don't really like that type of aht urghan camps.
it's hard to believe lolibri's didn't go extinct. (maybe after an update will announce the birds were no longer able to reproduce, so goodbye birdies ^^)


So we can cram everyone back into the single decent merit camp we had before, woo-hoo!
#22 Mar 07 2008 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
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So we can cram everyone back into the single decent merit camp we had before, woo-hoo!


i agree but you have to face facts... at times i've had 7+ BLM's ALL soloing at the pudding camp... truth is, on a good day im clocking 5/k solo with "hard core" soloing. taking it easy with a PT there, its an easy 10k...

SE F*&^ed any job that uses offensive black magic with TOUA, if your a 360 only player i understand you dont understand, but BLM's used to be king.

SCH is right up with BLM IMO, so long as it take you more the 60 sec to kill the mob, the helix are doing MORE then their IV equlivants... again, SCH is f(*&^ed by TOUA. for some reason SE thought it was a GOOD idea to promote M-M-MEEEEEELEEEEEE (lol)
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#23 Mar 07 2008 at 1:06 PM Rating: Default
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Exactly: Black Mages were at the top, along with Ranger. Everyone was leveling Black Mage and Ranger. If you weren't a Black Mage or Ranger, the scrublets didn't want you. The real Linkshells still realized the power of other jobs, but a properly geared Black Mage or Ranger would still do the most damage. This idea trickled down to XP parties and everyone thought they needed a Black Mage in the party. That was never the case, nor was it the best way to XP, but people thought it was. I'm glad we moved away from that. I cringed everytime I heard a BLM say "let's set up the Freeze MB" because of the BNS. I stopped inviting Black Mages and I loved it.

See, players started using their heads. I was Meleex3, DRK, BRD, RDM at Main D.Weaps long before ToAU came out. Right now, I can build a level 50 party and go to a non-ToAU area and get better XP without a Black Mage (assuming I invite good players). That's the way it's always been, in XP. People just thought they needed a Black Mage for their womg AncientMagiclol damage.

In ToAU areas, though...Black Mages did get screwed. Partially by the playerbase, partially by SE. Imps and Colibri, while squishy, are terrible targets for a Black Mage. Black Mages can still function in ToAU areas (there are Crawlers, Puks, FlyTraps, and Diremites) but the playerbase has decided that they don't need Black Mages. Will this change? No, I don't think so. Black Mage is extremely useful, but not in the majority of "burn" situations. I have difficulty thinking of a solution SE would implement that would speed BLMs up without slowing XP parties down. Recently, SE seems to be attempting to move their game away from the super-grindfest (when compared with certain other MMOs).

Short version: Yeah, ToAU isn't a friend to the Black Mage.
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