SCH would totally suck for SoloFollow

I think everyone must have known this.
SCH relies heavily on MP.
BLM also relies on MP however they have SLEEP.
SCH is not like a RDM where they have Refresh and Convert.

Sleep is very useful spell to fight mobs as you can regain MPs.
SCH was told to be a very good at DoT.

I onces partied with a BLM as a WHM at lvl 75 we were fighting mob that is lvl 70's. I accidently cast Bio on the mob and almost got us both killed because we can't put the mob to sleep.

Without Warp, Escape, Teleport, I can see that SCH is only good for Mid to Low level enemies. What is your opinion?

In other news, Kaeko of Odin server solo'd SCH from 1-75 in around two months.

http://kanican.livejournal.com/15452.html

1. Gravity/Bind
2. Helix
3. ???
4. Profit!

What's the point of sleeping a monster that you are gonna DoT really?

Also subbing BLM or RDM gives Sleep to scholar. Yes scholars can have a subjob!

Also did SE ever said Scholar would be an awesome Solo job?

One very nice thing about scholar is that you very rarely get your spells interrupted due to the fast cast. That makes a huge difference on soloing compared to blm which really can never afford to get hit.

You mean how you cast 5% slower than a BLM/RDM, who actually can take some hits with their Stoneskin and Blink?

Right..

So are Campaign Ops.

Figured I'd weigh in since I was mentioned...

SCH/RDM is pretty good as a soloer, especially after 72 when you get access to Errant Gear. As someone mentioned earlier in here, the casting speed is really really nice - you basically get the same casting speed as a /RDM but an extra -10% due to arts bonus. It took me awhile to get used once I hit 70+ (fast cast II), and it is pretty noticable when you solo.

I think for anyone who's got decent experience working with a RDM/BLM or a BLM/RDM, this is an easy job to solo your way through. The damage is pretty sub-par compared to a BLM, but it's pretty MP efficient and durable with Stoneskin and Blink.

Once you hit 75, you can really solo every normal mob a BLM can solo - it just takes longer; but you can do it. You have access to the same basic tools a BLM/RDM gets - at least 1 sleep, gravity, bind, aspir, drain, reasonable nukes, etc. I do think it takes a bit more tact since you have more speed to mess with and fewer sleep spells, but it is pretty good imo. Playstyle is honestly so similar to BLM/RDM, I use about 90% same macro layout as my BLM/RDM. Felt like I was just releveling BLM again.

Have you ever tried soloing with bind/gravity? I have, and it blows. First of all, the helix aren't as strong as you think. It takes quite some time to DoT a mob down with them. This means bind/gravity are going to wear well before the mob is dead. God forbid you get partial resists on enfeebles too, because you can kiss your ass goodbye. It's not like BLM or RDM, where you can casually toss out a sleep, sleep II, or whatever your preferred backup plan is. SCH does not have this luxury.

There's a huge advantage sleeping has over kiting. With kiting there's the potential to run out of MP. You cannot even afford to cure yourself after a mishap, for fear of not having enough MP to finish the mob. The only reason kiting works well for RDM is because it has MP tools like refresh and convert. Sleeping is far superior, because you can easily rest back enough MP to save yourself in an otherwise dire situation.

If you're relying mostly on DoT, you've got a lot of running ahead of you too. This brings me to my next point: in order to kite, you have to have room for it. Most goblin pet camps are infested with tons of mobs that can obliterate you, and there are few safe places to kite. You're far better off going SCH/BLM and sleep/nuking, even if you don't have stoneskin or blink. You also get spells MUCH later than you realize off of subjobs. SCH does not have native stoneskin, blink, bind, gravity, OR sleep. Since all of these rely on subjobs, you must be twice the level of a BLM or RDM before the same strategies become practical. This puts you at a huge disadvantage until levels 40 and 42, when you get sleep and gravity off BLM and RDM subs.

Compared to other jobs, SCH is inefficient. BLM can 1-2 shot pets at most levels. RDM can sleep/nuke safely with protective buffs. Melees can pull the pets away and solo them with minimal room requirement. SCH on the other hand, has an extremely difficult and unsafe time trying to solo. While it can be somewhat successful at much higher levels, a BLM or RDM will get more XP than you and have a significantly easier and safer time of doing so. It doesn't get much better at 75 either. It has some advantages over BLM, but there's no situation I would want it over RDM for soloing.

With that said, I think the first reply was onto something. SCH/BST is probably the most creative application for a low-enmity helix. With the ability to cure itself and deal damage safely, it could be one of the most successful /BST jobs for soloing.

Edited, Feb 11th 2008 5:13am by Nateypoo

there was an inteview with SE in which it states that sch was never meant to solo
actually they said something to the effect of "sadly... sch is not designed to solo at all as compared to blm"
i was gonna post the link but the page is acting weird
well her eit is anyway if it works for you
http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?LOADFEATURE=1766&BHCP=1%2C1&bhcp=1

Best post i've seen in awhile.

Thats the key thing. Who the hell wants to solo stuff? This game is a party game. So sch cant solo? And? Solo'ing in this game is high risk and most of the time small rewards other than bragging rights. When you could have less risk with a more people.

BST and pup were the only solo classes. But the real disconnect is that although se is like " Try new groups..." and "small parties" people are too set in a 6 or 1 ideal. I remember around 20ish me and a blm and a whm trio'd worms for some nice exp.

But when did we ever do what SE intended for us to do.

Down after the first few posts..lol proves the thread header wrong. That and you know..as long as there is a worm your lv range? You're good to go.

im gonna be the first sch running around melee-ing stuff. just watch. why? b/c im bored..and i can.

but whm/nin does alright. y wouldnt sch/nin?

sch can wear:
perdu club(about the only good DD club for sch)
genbu sheild
umbra cape
any melee orientated reward u get for missions (rajas, ethereal earring, ToAU ring, brutal, etc...)
chiv chain

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3159493

Yeah, our club skill is sh*tty.