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#1 Jan 01 2008 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Hi,

I am sch 72 now and somehow i am 5/52 resist on deafening tantra. The imps kept spamming, at 3 1st resists i thought i got lucky and then started counting and out of 52 only 5 landed. I am currently /rdm and the trais's there but is it really that potent??

Those any1 else have the same experience?


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#2 Jan 01 2008 at 8:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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I get good resist results on BRD also.
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#3 Jan 04 2008 at 12:36 AM Rating: Default
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Isn't it Tantara?
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That..doesn't answer his question but thanks for the typo correction!

Still, I find the O.P's post interesting, that is one annoying little move those evil things do. I'm hoping other scholars are finding they're resisting it so I know what I'm getting into later on as SCH.
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#5 Jan 04 2008 at 8:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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You'll get a resist now and then, but I wouldn't exactly call 5/52 a potent trait. Try tossing a Light Arts'd Baraero into the mix and come back if it jumps to something like 30/52. Could try adding Barsilence to the mix, but I think that helps more on shortening the duration rather than outright resist.
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ummm... seri, i thought that when i read the way he said it at first, but then i reread it and realized that he was talking 5/52 of it landing, not of resisting. kinda felt backwards to me too.
#7 Jan 05 2008 at 2:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, if it's the other way around, that's pretty nuts. Find it hard to believe SCH would a Resist trait so potent when every other one in the game is pretty lol-worthy even with the appropriate buffs behind it against anything EM or higher.
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You'll get a resist now and then, but I wouldn't exactly call 5/52 a potent trait.


Approximately 10% is pretty much par for the course when it comes to player resist traits most of the time. Now if it was a monster resist trait we were talking about, you can add another 0 to that percentage >_>

I have NEVER seen Deafening Tantara from a VT Heraldic Imp fail to land on anyone, ever, unless they were BRD, /BRD, Garuda/Shiva, already silenced, or had some other source of Resist Silence. I'd assume a crapton of wind resistance might work also, but what my RDM's Baraera provides isn't enough.

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Its not wind-based.
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#10 Jan 05 2008 at 4:36 AM Rating: Decent
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madrone wrote:
Its not wind-based.


Proof, please? Nothing personal, I'm just not fond of unfounded claims on something like this. It's too easy to pass off one's own beliefs as fact.
#11 Jan 05 2008 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
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unbfortunately i didn't sc every single logs, but there was another sch in the party, we kinda lvled together. However the landing is correct, which is what made me so curious, because he resisted it as much as i did also and he was 1 lvl below me. I been to the mire more than enough time on my nin to know how annoying and rarely resistable that move is. there are other stuff about sch aswell that i picked up otw to 75 that just don't make any sense at all according to game mechanics.

Off topic, i did jailer of fortitude and my helix was reflected on me (again not sc) it landed for 140/tick but when it landed back on me it only laded for 40/tick and the ticks were 7-8sec apart. around same thing happened on a colibri when i casted for kicks a few levels earlier (diferent dmg).

Then again these are just things that i picked up along the way. I know it's a new job but some of the things are just not real like you'd expect it to normally happen. I will definitely start sc things to actually show but dual boxing sch & rdm is too much on my hands already.

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#12 Jan 05 2008 at 10:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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madrone wrote:
Its not wind-based.


There's probably more to it than just wind resists (Like higher INT, or needing an insane Wind build like tanks do Fire for Tiamat). Sure, it's possible there's an off-element silence just like there are light and dark sleeps, but SE creating that almost practically for one mob family seems a bit extreme.

Though, now that I think about it, aren't Requiems called "sonic damage" in the hover text? Haven't messed with BRD enough to really look into if an elemental staff would help landing them, but if they don't, it might lead to the potential of another resist class that players don't have access to beyond the RS trait.

Either way, I'd want to say a good SCH shouldn't even be in range of the AoE. Don't depend on the trait, just thank your lucky stars it kicks in if you are in proximity. An Echo Drop saved is... well, more gil for you.
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Seriha wrote:
Though, now that I think about it, aren't Requiems called "sonic damage" in the hover text? Haven't messed with BRD enough to really look into if an elemental staff would help landing them, but if they don't, it might lead to the potential of another resist class that players don't have access to beyond the RS trait.
Requiem, like Lullaby, is light based (light icon, resisted by light elementals, etc.). Almost every status effect has some elemental correlation with which it's almost universally linked. Even Amnesia, which is fire based (Leviathan and Ifrit 'evade' it regularly).
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Seriha wrote:

Either way, I'd want to say a good SCH shouldn't even be in range of the AoE. Don't depend on the trait, just thank your lucky stars it kicks in if you are in proximity. An Echo Drop saved is... well, more gil for you.


A good scholar will likely be buffing the party which will require them to go in and out of aeo range frequently, just as a brd or smn would. You are bound to get hit with something.
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#15 Jan 06 2008 at 8:20 AM Rating: Excellent
Resist Silence is a pretty nice Job Trait to have. My theory, which matches my own experiences and I'd love feedback on, is that certain enfeebles are just more accurate than others.

Bind, for example, is a very accurate enfeeble, and so Resist Bind is all but useless in most situations, low level mobs can Bind my ninja an embarrassingly large ammount of time.

Silence, by contrast, is not a terribly accurate enfeeble. It's difficult (relatively speaking) to land, and so Resist Silence activates fairly often.

Just my experiences, but it does seem that the various enfeebles have different levels of resistance that you need to outright resist an enfeeble, which is what seems to make the Resist Job Traits seem better or worse than each other.
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#16 Jan 06 2008 at 11:28 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know if resist traits have anything to do with accuracy. For example, mobs in Dynamis are incredibly easy to sleep, but that doesn't stop the PLD mobs from getting "Resist!" messages quite frequently.
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#17 Jan 06 2008 at 11:46 PM Rating: Good
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Sasaraixx wrote:
Seriha wrote:

Either way, I'd want to say a good SCH shouldn't even be in range of the AoE. Don't depend on the trait, just thank your lucky stars it kicks in if you are in proximity. An Echo Drop saved is... well, more gil for you.


A good scholar will likely be buffing the party which will require them to go in and out of aeo range frequently, just as a brd or smn would. You are bound to get hit with something.


Well, I wouldn't call once every 4 minutes a frequent affair, but a reasonable situation, nonetheless. At this point, attempting to go early in a mob's lifespan would cut down on the risk, but sometimes you'll just get an Imp that uses one of its abilities the moment it hits camp and only one person's hit it.
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Well, I wouldn't call once every 4 minutes a frequent affair, but a reasonable situation, nonetheless. At this point, attempting to go early in a mob's lifespan would cut down on the risk, but sometimes you'll just get an Imp that uses one of its abilities the moment it hits camp and only one person's hit it.


You assume the SCH is buffing only with their JA's and not taking advantage of /whm buffs as well. Either way, it is frequent enough that you will occasionally be hit by aoe attacks.

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#19 Feb 02 2008 at 5:13 PM Rating: Decent
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what the..
dude if you resist 90% of that annoying skill, I'm moving on to SCH.
At 75sam I can still get blinded by level 10 quadavs, even with the "Resist Blind" trait. 90% resist would be super-human

I NEVER wear resist gear though.. I wonder if they're even worth it.
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#20 Feb 02 2008 at 6:07 PM Rating: Decent
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When i leveled sch I got the same rate of resists on that silencing ability. It may be not only because of the traits, but also because of the mage stats involved with resisting the silence spell as well (MND).
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#21 Feb 04 2008 at 4:11 AM Rating: Good
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I play BRD which has resist silence and against imps it's still a rare thing for it to kick in. You can help with with some more resist gear but it's not reliable.
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I was just looking for this thread to see if anyone else has experienced resist/duration of the tantra.

So far I've yet to resist it or anything such as that. But so far since all I do is spam Cure / Regen / Silena / I replaced only 1 piece of gear so far when I did my first Imp party.

I did notice the silence wore, real quick each time, sometimes it wasn't worth using an echo drop because it would just wear off. I was with another sch he said he evaded it and resisted it a decent amount.

So my question is that are people still seeing these results? I got my grasp on conserving my MP as long as I got a refresher or a 2nd helper for oh **** situations, so I want to maybe put some gear on that would help me resist this silence so that echo drops are a perk and not so much 100% needed as I've had with my first party with Imps as sch.

I notice MND / Elemental Resist / Resist Trait / Magic Def. Bonus. are all there to get, and rather cheap. So if anyone who has any experience in resisting these spells or help with short duration of the spell has any advice on what I could wear, it would be helpful. I don't need to be told to wear more MP or anything, I just want to play with resisting the tantra to a decent extent and want some advice before I spend the money on some equip.
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What are you subbing? If you're subbing RDM or WHM keeping Baraero and Barsilence up should be more than enough. If you really want gear that helps don't look for MDB, it's really only to help with reducing damage. Here you want Status resist, Ribbons work, Flawless or the lv51 one that resists all status effects. Don't underestimate this undervalued head gear, it really works well, that stacked with the correct bar spells is enough to make you immune easily to almost all dynamis and limbus status effects with a decent margin of error.
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Here you want Status resist, Ribbons work, Flawless or the lv51 one that resists all status effects. Don't underestimate this undervalued head gear, it really works well, that stacked with the correct bar spells is enough to make you immune easily to almost all dynamis and limbus status effects with a decent margin of error.


That's about so far all I've bought and yes I'm using bar spells with enhancing skill+ gear on to add a few extra points, then switch back to mind gear. I'm subbing WHM for the fact I can JA Accession and give stoneskin which helps me better with any GA's that might come out.

So far I got maybe 30 MND w/ food, my bar spell gives me about 84 with enhancing gear swapping i have no MDB gear on but I was offered a Diamond Earring or two from a friend if the +10/11?? resistance to wind (silence yes?) will help, I put barsilence on as well. I got the ribbon, I'm just trying to figure out everything that I could be missing.

You're right the ribbon was only 5k when I bought it a bit ago, just looked up the quest for it as well might get bored and just quest it, so far it only seems I'm missing those diamond earrings and that's if that 20+ resistance to wind ontop of my bar spell and my curing macro switching me to the HQ Ice Staff while I got to cast NA's or if I'm giving out protect / shell. It's a temp boost to wind but it's there while I do anything that's not healing / resting. So if it hits me while I have my staff on casting a NA or..anything I should have 30 MND / 120-125 Wind Resistance. With the ribbon on me forehead.
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