Forum Settings
       
Reply To Thread

RDM update stuffFollow

#27 Oct 01 2011 at 1:01 PM Rating: Good
Avatar
****
4,779 posts
Now onto a more serious reply.

saevellakshmi wrote:
Hyrist, pretty much all stats in the game have diminishing returns over time except haste and accuracy. Accuracy is linear until it caps @95% and haste becomes exponential. Diminishing returns doesn't mean don't equip the best gear you can, but often people say stuff like "hey I have so much DA so I should equip MORE DA", as in using the existence of current DA to justify additional DA gear thinking it'll be come "more gooderer". When in actuality having DA already in your gear set diminishes the overall contribution of any additional DA gear. Now additional DA might still be the best option in-slot, but it's not better because you already have some. WAR's been fighting this misunderstanding for years now "hey WAR has DA right, so that means I should equip MORE DA cause it's betterer".


All true. Though, the bigger issue here about Double Attack is that it's no longer a stat that comes alone.

Cal Trousers come to mind. We've got to weigh in Haste, Double Attack, Tripple Attack, verse a hefty chunk of lost accuracy (-15 when compared to ASA legs, which has the same haste value.) And the question comes. Can we take the hit there and improve it elsewhere?

I was thinking about that for something like Rancor Collar. How much of an improvement would 5% Crit be?
There seems to be a lot of pieces we could juggle around for various approaches to improving our melee, and it's gotten into the level of math I simply don't have the time to dole out.

I heard there was a spreadsheet program for this but I've not found a link for it yet.



Edited, Oct 1st 2011 3:19pm by Hyrist
#28 Oct 01 2011 at 1:56 PM Rating: Default
Scholar
***
1,286 posts
So much mad.
____________________________
Server: Midgardsormr
Occupation: Reckless Red Mage

IcookPizza wrote:

I think RDM's neurotic omniscience is sooooooo worth including in any alliance.
#29 Oct 01 2011 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
Avatar
****
4,779 posts
cidbahamut wrote:
So much mad.

Five words:

Combustible Lemons, to your house.




Edited, Oct 1st 2011 4:05pm by Hyrist
#30 Oct 01 2011 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
Avatar
****
7,547 posts
Quote:
And the question comes. Can we take the hit there and improve it elsewhere?


and this is why you compare gear in the manner that Lyl explained. The one that you jumped all over her for. The one that people have been using for 9 years to determine if certain items were more efficient than others.

(as for the ASA vs Cal question, if you lose about 6% hit rate the ASA pants will be better, if you lose 5% they will be about the same, if you lose 4% then Cal pants will be better.)
____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#31 Oct 01 2011 at 2:50 PM Rating: Decent
Avatar
****
7,547 posts
Quote:
I heard there was a spreadsheet program for this but I've not found a link for it yet.


Google is hard.https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B0A0wGYYRRdaZjdlNTdkNTEtMDMyYy00OTVmLWI4N2ItNDMwMDI1N2VkYWZk&sort=name&layout=list&num=50
____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#32 Oct 01 2011 at 7:09 PM Rating: Default
**
824 posts
Trying to paint yourself a martyr doesn't make you look right; it makes you look ******* crazy.

The only thing you got called out for in this thread was your faulty understanding of how math works, which was corrected; how anything you ranted about in that essay has anything to do with that is beyond me.. hence:

Quote:
So much mad.
____________________________
rdmcandie wrote:
RDM can attain an almost static 50% reduction to recast time, SCH can over shoot this for a total of 60% reduction under Alacrity (provided you are wearing loafers and keeping dark weather on yourself)

rdmcandie wrote:
MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
#33 Oct 02 2011 at 1:26 AM Rating: Decent
Avatar
****
4,779 posts
LyltiaofLakshmi wrote:
Trying to paint yourself a martyr doesn't make you look right; it makes you look batsh*t crazy.

You say this like it's a bad thing.

Besides, I don't paint myself as anything, I mad, I vent. Problem? Deal with it.
Quote:
Google is hard


I'm lazy, also busy.

*grumble*

Also Poor, as I don't have office suite.


Edited, Oct 2nd 2011 3:41am by Hyrist
#34 Oct 02 2011 at 2:49 AM Rating: Default
**
824 posts
What made you mad, exactly? The only thing you were corrected on was the method by which to compare gear using math, which is non-arguable; ****, we were even nice about it when we explained it to you, and you chose to respond with a long-*** rant that had precisely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Besides, you've already said all that same **** several times before in several different threads; you made your point already.(People that use math to optimize their characters as opposed to gearing/strategizing for "fun" (whatever that means) are elitist pricks and they make you mad.) Message received; now kindly stop trashing up every thread you post in with the same tired *********
____________________________
rdmcandie wrote:
RDM can attain an almost static 50% reduction to recast time, SCH can over shoot this for a total of 60% reduction under Alacrity (provided you are wearing loafers and keeping dark weather on yourself)

rdmcandie wrote:
MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
#35 Oct 02 2011 at 8:31 AM Rating: Decent
Avatar
****
7,547 posts
It was probably me saying that he just posts things to argue peoples replies. Like Alma, and considering thats how his posts have come off both here and on the official forums of late, it doesn't surprise me. What does is that he is doing that, Hyrist has always been one of the more level headed posters ive met over the years but something seems to have changed.

now to be a flamey ****.

Quote:
I'm lazy, also busy.

Quote:
I heard there was a spreadsheet program for this but I've not found a link for it yet.


Again google is hard. Obviously you are either full of **** and haven't looked at all, or you have looked and don't know how to use google. .63 seconds also, thats how long it took google to compile the search results.

Busy enough to not spend .63 seconds looking for something you are curious about, but enough time to spend to fail troll people on an internet forum and continue your swan dive into crazy.

Dunno what happened to you Hyrist but you are losing it and it makes me sad, I used to enjoy talking to you about things.
____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#36 Oct 03 2011 at 3:02 PM Rating: Decent
Avatar
****
4,779 posts
Quote:
Busy enough to not spend .63 seconds looking for something you are curious about, but enough time to spend to fail troll people on an internet forum and continue your swan dive into crazy.


I looked for quite a while, and found nothing substantial. Perhaps I was using the wrong words.

I find this all funny coming from you RCD, seeming you were the one who instantly jumped on the high horse defending the previous locked topic 'because it created good information.'

But when I start making comments that would, you know, get you to discuss information that would be helpful for the people at large, you insult with "Google is hard!"

Where the **** are the efforts to gather information for people in the community? It's not what's happened to me that's sad, it's whats happened to us. This community used to be tight, working together in spite of the arguments, and willing to share information freely. Now it's an insult if you don't automatically know everything, search everything themselves... when many of the very search engines we use, are out of date and filled with misinformation.

This is why I'm mad and crazy right now. Because you guys seriously stopped caring about everything but making yourselves look good. Which helps nobody. It's an absolute ********* about what everyone wants for themselves and that topped with working customer service has killed all my desire to give a **** about people on forums. It's a flood of self-entitled @#%^wits who's answer to everything is insult first, troll after, and if that doesn't work, get your buddies to come in and troll some more.

It's killed the game for me more than once, changing a mere annoyance into a seething hatred.



But you want the old Hyrist? Let's change gears:

I've noticed that there's not a single spreadsheet on that system for RDM. Sure, we've got one for PLD that can be modified, but why has no one in the RDM community modified and re-posted for RDM yet?

Additionally, Windows does not come with Excel anymore, so is there a free program in which we can list? (Sure, it can be googled but I'm wondering if there is one the community already uses.)




Edited, Oct 3rd 2011 5:15pm by Hyrist
#37 Oct 03 2011 at 4:48 PM Rating: Good
***
3,059 posts
RCD has admitted to trolling people simply to get a rise, so there's no reason to be surprised.

Hyrist wrote:
I've noticed that there's not a single spreadsheet on that system for RDM. Sure, we've got one for PLD that can be modified, but why has no one in the RDM community modified and re-posted for RDM yet?

I have, and I know of at least one other person. I didn't repost because I wasn't sure I worked out all the bugs, and I haven't added simulation for Enspells I or II.

Hyrist wrote:
Additionally, Windows does not come with Excel anymore, so is there a free program in which we can list? (Sure, it can be googled but I'm wondering if there is one the community already uses.)

Google Docs or Open Office (which supports xls).
____________________________
"And I'm prepared to passionately argue this point until nothing makes sense anymore. If that doesn't work, then the hours upon hours of whining will." -Red Mage Statscowski

Saggo of Garuda Lakshmi
#38 Oct 03 2011 at 5:24 PM Rating: Default
Avatar
****
4,779 posts
jlejeune wrote:
RCD has admitted to trolling people simply to get a rise, so there's no reason to be surprised.

Hyrist wrote:
I've noticed that there's not a single spreadsheet on that system for RDM. Sure, we've got one for PLD that can be modified, but why has no one in the RDM community modified and re-posted for RDM yet?

I have, and I know of at least one other person. I didn't repost because I wasn't sure I worked out all the bugs, and I haven't added simulation for Enspells I or II.

Hyrist wrote:
Additionally, Windows does not come with Excel anymore, so is there a free program in which we can list? (Sure, it can be googled but I'm wondering if there is one the community already uses.)

Google Docs or Open Office (which supports xls).


Thank you muchly.

Once you've got those things gone I'd love a copy of it to help with choices/improvements.

Time management is the biggest issue I've got right now. I've got friends on several different gaming sites/hobbies all vying for what free time I've got (which isn't much given my schedule.) And while I can post on forums like these during my work hours (even that however is starting to grate at my boss, so don't know how long that'll hold up.) when it comes to home time. When I wanna do FFXI, I'd rather be playing the game than mulling over calculations. So having that worksheet handy will be very much appreciated.

Still, slight progress in getting Temper and Gain STR waiting for me when I hit appropriate levels. Haven't had much time for anything other than campaign though, and I'm weeping at my Enhancing skill during it. (Picked up a Griffinclaw though... Fun stuff. Now onto the next sword! [I collect])

Time for a healthy diet of Stuffed Pitarus while skilling up during GoV.

Edited, Oct 3rd 2011 7:29pm by Hyrist
#43 Oct 04 2011 at 8:50 AM Rating: Decent
Avatar
****
7,547 posts
Quote:
I find this all funny coming from you RCD, seeming you were the one who instantly jumped on the high horse defending the previous locked topic 'because it created good information.'

But when I start making comments that would, you know, get you to discuss information that would be helpful for the people at large, you insult with "Google is hard!"



The information that the last thread created is not readily searched for in google. For Slow II the only link that is relevant has incorrect dMND numbers being used. For Fast Cast % DPS gained nothing shows up on the first page that answers the question.

That is good discussion.

Now likely the biggest difference is that no one said in the last thread they had been looking for a long time and haven't found anything. You claim to have spent a long time looking for the DPS spreadsheets, yet didn't have enough time to google it (2nd hit on the first .63 second search, ffxi dps spreadsheets.)



____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#44 Oct 05 2011 at 5:43 PM Rating: Decent
Avatar
****
4,779 posts
I didn't look for DPS Spreadsheets, which was my folly.

I looked up "Damage Calculator" which gave me a bunch of bad hits, and this Which is outdated.

Looking it over a second time I do see the link to what you stated on FFXI Pro, but that result wasn't there when I originally looked. (That or I overlooked it.)

Either case, before Rog was banned, we were collecting these resources together, easily googeled or not, and putting them somewhere accessible for people.

Regardless of our opinions of each other, we really should be hand feeding people this info out of the interest of of the community as a whole, especially with Wikis not being kept up to date, or filled with misinformation. (Temper STILL says main hand only, fire Element on GE and Wikia says it doesn't effect Weapon Skills (though we've verified otherwise). I think it'd be a good idea to redouble our efforts in getting this info together again.

"You should be able to look it up." is not a valid excuse for not sharing info. It's just an excuse to be insulting, and not a good one either. But that's a matter of opinion.

I'm of the opinion that having a discussion on the sources for such things you trust, or that are kept up to date is a valid, helpful discussion for the boards. It seems that the information these days is only spreading well through word of mouth right now, so you'll pardon me of I default to that until things are tidied up.

Moving on. Any other observations as to the update? My thoughts on Temper will be comming shortly. (Likely this weekend.)
#45 Oct 05 2011 at 6:09 PM Rating: Decent
**
824 posts
So, telling someone they're full of bad logic when they explain a simple mathematical concept to you that shouldn't need explaining in the first place (I sure as **** hope you don't need a wiki to tell you how percentages work) is your idea of, and contribution to, a "valid, helpful discussion?"

Curious indeed.
____________________________
rdmcandie wrote:
RDM can attain an almost static 50% reduction to recast time, SCH can over shoot this for a total of 60% reduction under Alacrity (provided you are wearing loafers and keeping dark weather on yourself)

rdmcandie wrote:
MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
#48 Oct 06 2011 at 1:38 AM Rating: Decent
Avatar
****
4,779 posts
Convince yourself of whatever you want. Funny how Kinimatics agreed with my point, and how the individual I was arguing with their stance once he posted exactly my point in a different manner.

I may love to argue, but you two seem to love to insult people. You might have said "What ever happened to you, Hyrist, you use to be level headded?" to me, but neither of you have ever been any different, and that's not a compliment.

I've got a long record of being argumentative, but rarely do I intentionally **** someone off. My view that WHM should remain the one job who can use Cure V to their hearts content is not alone. That spell is innately broken, always has been. It's only been justified in WHM's hands because they are supposed to be the best healers in the game, and I was dumbfounded when they came out with VI. (Luckily, that spell IS balanced out by it's cost.)

But it's not to say I believe RDM should never be a coherent healer ever. I'm saying that giving it a spike healing over giving it the ability to prevent the damage that's making the NEED for such spike healing is terrible, terrible logic, and not only does it threaten to mute out anything unique on RDM for good, but it harms the damage recovery dichotomy in general.

Now back onto subject matter.

Got to play around with Temper (good run in campaign got me multiple 9k rounds.)


A bit late, but I can verify that both Wikia and Gamer Escape is wrong, and back up what Seriha and Savelle have said, Temper is straight up Double Attack. It works on the offhand same as the main hand. And it works on weaponskills. If I need to I've got a 30 second bit I can post on You-Tube, but I really doubt I have to in this case as the spell has been public for so long now.

Edited, Oct 6th 2011 3:46am by Hyrist

Edited, Oct 6th 2011 3:46am by Hyrist
#50 Oct 06 2011 at 5:58 AM Rating: Decent
**
785 posts
I haven't changed my stance at all. Regardless of whether SE changed enfeebling effects on Notorious Monsters I believe Rdm and Sch should get Cure V, it's SE (and you) who has a problem with this and I cannot fathom why. Cure VI's cost isn't a reason other jobs shouldn't get Cure V, only that Cure VI's cost should be adjusted in line considering the amount it heals, if you haven't noticed both V and VI have fixed enmity generation, it's about equal to a Waltz IV. I've lost faith in SE following through with giving a form of damage mitigation as a solution to having 2 jobs with native skill naturally progressing in said skill rather than keeping them with the healing capabilities of a Brd or Blm subbing Whm.






Edited, Oct 6th 2011 1:09pm by Neisan
#51 Oct 06 2011 at 6:31 AM Rating: Excellent
Alright guys, stop it with the flaming and trolling. I swear you guys certainly know how to drive a Rdm topic into the ground by berating one another. Like I've tried saying before, either argue the topic at hand (in this case the changes Rdm got this update) and leave it at that. Don't start just going around calling people trolls and flaming them left and right, cause in the end, you're only hurting yourself.

Lyltia, in regards to your comment as to why that post had been left up there, no one reported it. As much as I'd like to be able to, I can't read every single post in all the XI forums while also performing my other duties to the site as well as juggle off-site stuff. I'm only one man, so that's why the report topic button is there, to be used when someone feels that a post or topic is in need of administrative action or if a person or persons are doing something against forum rules.

Edited, Oct 6th 2011 8:38am by Vlorsutes
____________________________
Lady Jinte wrote:

Vlorsutes' Negotiation Skill rises 0.2 points
Vlorsutes' Observant Parent Skill rises 0.3 points
Vlorsutes' Argument Diffusing Skill rises 0.1 points

Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 1 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (1)