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But Locke wasn't a Thief.

He was a Treasure Hunter.

Yeah they like to follow me around and click red on everything, usually a week or so after I post it. Already had the admin's nuke an account, looks like they found another.

It's mostly the hater's from BG coming over.

I've been green arrowing everything whenever I can cause I know in a week or two they'll search out your posts and red arrow em.

It's the troll tactic. Shout down people by sheer persistence and harassment until they get bored and move onto the next topic to troll.

I see it happen too often in communities these days and I swear someday it's going to push me into a psychotic internet-serial killer rampage.

Trolling people online would be a lot less common if it was suddenly fatal.

Edited, Jul 21st 2011 12:48pm by Hyrist

So says one of the bombers.

Normally I wouldn't care, but when you have people following others around with the intention of camping them, then it gets childish. The campers have already been reported to the admins, their watching you :p

=10 is different from =2 where people will enter Rdm melee threads JUST to red arrow the posters...

...a month later after the last post was made.

Actually no, at the endgame, Locke easily surpasses both with minimal effort.

Well yeah when we start talking about Lightbringer / Ragnarok sillyness. Offering + Genjiglove With LB / Rag pretty much turned any single character into an engine of destruction. Shadow didn't really get any super broken weapons, but he was still a very fast character and almost always guaranteed to go first in any fight. The other cheesyness would be Terra with Offering + Economizer at 99 Magic. Putting out 30K in a single turn pretty much guaranteed you'd win the fight.

My favorite character's were Celes and for some reason Cyan. Cyan had sh!t stats and his ability took entirely too long to user, but he looked cool, that and his music was awesome. Celes was well, nuff said.

I can dispute the Atma Weapon not being effected by offering because it most definitely was. Offering is attack rounds x 4 but damage divided by 2. The only weapon not affected by offering was Fixed Dice. And the add effects of pearl most definitely proced with offering, all add effects would proc. One of the Auction House Battle tricks was to put two ID weapons on Shadow with Offering and Genji glove. He would have eight chances to proc ID, made most battles a piece of cake provided the monster wasn't immune to Instant Death.

Celes's stats were balanced through out the game with it being heavy on Vigor and Magic, depending on the Esper's you used is how she turned out end game.

Lol are we really discussing usefulness of super character builds in a game where any single character can become a god if you build them for it? Use who you preferred to.

I've played Anthology and Original SNES version, and MP Critical do work on offering, just not at as high of a rate (at least visually.)

Atma Weapon is most DEFINITELY subject to Damage Spread problems from Offering. It's been a looong time since I played that game though, I though there was a work around for that.

Anyhow back to the OP.

I really do hope SE introduces stat based enfeebles like Attack Down / Defense Down / Magic Attack Down / Magic Defense Down / Evasion Down / Accuracy Down, and so forth. I've stated it before that these are already present in the game in various forms and that they would fit in perfectly with RDM's style. Provided they ensure the big HNM's are not made immune to them and that they have full effect. Ash and trash mob's don't need enfeebled but the crazy psycho four armed Samurai looking thing definitely should be.

I would also like it if we could cast our self-target buffs on other people. We really should of got a JA that allows us to AOE the next enhancing magic, along with a JA that makes the next enfeeble AOE. Fast hitting jobs like MNK, THF, NIN, BLU and ourselves can really benefit from a potent enspell effect. Something on the order of 30~40 damage per hit isn't unreasonable in today's big numbers gameplay. SE has a chance to really run with this here and create a rather unique class, provided they do it right.

Melee wise, I'd personally prefer it if we had access to better sword WS's. Although soon it won't effect me as I'll be finishing my lv85 Almace, others shouldn't have to do that for a decent WS option. Not much else needs to be done in this regard, damage output is no longer a big part of the game, it's all about utility now.

Really I just want to see more utility created, however SE does it I don't really care. Just don't make it gimmicky nor a one-trick-pony (CSS), the old hat RDM's stopped playing the because it became too gimmicky and bland, no need to introduce more.

In terms of Melee capability, I'd rather see some new physical buffs that we could both use for ourselves as well as give to others. Haste II is kinda cliche but I'd take it.

I'm more interested in buffs such as Brave, Faith, and other like buffs that would be separate from the usual haste/refresh spam.

Casting our buffs on others aside from that would only really work if we could get the calculations on Enspell II's were fixed for dual wielders so it wouldn't conflict with Sambas, or a change in calculations so we wouldn't be in direct contrast.

On the debuff end I'd like to see more of the delay tactics like Addle's effect, but specifically applied to TP effects, as well as a spell that, on random chance, cause the monster to inflict damage upon itself instead (Confusion.) These things would be boons for specific fights especially on HNM mobs.

I doubt this will be the case, but what it certainly will lose is the damage bonuses it gains from said levels.

I must be the only person completely against adding AoE anything (Diaga excluded) to RDM. The class is built to supplement support--supplementary buffs, nukes, debuffs, heals, and even melee (though this last role falls shorter than the others), while being more self-sustaining than other classes. RDM achieves this perfectly well with it's single/self-target focus, and should leave the mass support (AoE) to the more specialized classes.

If your party is taxing the RDM to the point that you think you need AoE spells, then the party is improperly formed and should be looking for another supporter to fill that gap with you. I feel it's silly and a bit redundant to expect the class to cover the ground the more specialized classes do--we want it to move away from job conflation, don't we?

Yeah, more cycles are bad. Even if you have our +2 set, adding more just kind of defeats the purpose of boosted durations since the initial time gained not casting is sucked up by new spells. And while I would rarely use AoE enfeebles, if we are supposed to be steered toward crippling foes, I do think that should be an option. BLMs have long had Sleepgas, SCH can make Graviga and Bindga a reality, and BLUs get a number of their own AoE/Conal enfeebles, some even doing damage on top. We're well beyond the point of every hater's "Master of None" justification, and have been creeping more toward the "Suck At Them All" mentality that plagues any class that's not a specialist at something in an MMO.

Every old rdm agrees on the tedium of cycles. It seems SE has tried to address that with Abyssea rdm content. They can give us 0 Zero more tedious cycles; Rdms are saturated and done with them.

Rdm melee will always have a place because they enhanced Composure on af3. That's how SE rolls.

Will Rdm melee replace traditional melee for damage, hell no... but we all know rdm makes up for that in other ways. Particularly in low-man, which is the direction I hope SE takes the game.

What I want rdm to be: a tank (gone and done for), a soloist (too slow these days), a nuker (please maintain onto our status-quo), and an enhancer/enfeebler (build these up for nm.)

Melee is just because we can and it enhances our magical side through enfeeble/enhance melee vectors.

Rdm is going to end up overpowered, lets not kid ourselves and cry too loudly.

I know I can go into abyssea on Rdm and own (slowly), but why? I have thief which shines in aby, and blm, and a drg I can gear. Not to mention Dnc which does well.

You will want a rdm with you in non-abyssea content. This is simply due to Refresh as a main factor. Rdm other abilities are icing.

I always draw the line at 6man pt/Ally. Don't go over five players when you're playing rdm and you should be fine. Only main Rdm at HNM pleasee; switch to another job if you're not the best.




Edited, Jul 27th 2011 4:30am by Shirakx

That's just a problem with your melee; offhanding an OA2-4 with Almace is just about the worst thing you can do. Bad DPS, dilutes ODD procs, feeds mountains of TP. If you're going to insist on Dual-Wielding, make a STR sword, you'll see better numbers. Should really be single-wielding, anyway.



CDC alone might make nice spike damage in Abyssea, but honestly you can get into the same ballpark with Evisceration and a good dagger off the AH; the real benefit of Almace is the Aftermath, as the majority of our damage comes from our melee swings. Badelaire can avoid embarrassing itself in Abyssea with Evisceration+1 WS numbers, but outside it's pretty much trash. I mean, if Badelaire was much easier to acquire than Almace I could understand, but.. yeah, there's no reason to ever make one. If you're gonna sit through the first 9 trials, man up and make the real weapon.

Why do you care about anything <80, or 90 for that matter? Level caps are gone on the vast majority of content, and nobody gives a sh*t what you do in XP.

Also, your heavy use of italics seems to imply that you think CDC is hard and/or time consuming to obtain; it's neither @90, and will only get easier @95... or are you one of those who thinks you shouldn't need good gear to get good results? If so, I'm not sure why you play FFXI, because it has never, ever worked like that. Ever. A few days, few weeks at absolute most, to obtain the best sword in the game? And you're complaining?

Your attitude here is exactly why the community shuns melee RDMs; SE gives you the tools you need to be successful, and makes them accessible enough that you can acquire them in duo/trios in a reasonable amount of time, and all you can do is bitch that they should just give it to you outright, how dare they make you work for it a little! It has very little to do with a RDM swinging a sword, and everything to do with your attitude of entitlement.

Pathetic. You want to know why RDM melee hasn't made any progress over the years? Take a good long look at the quote in your sig, and then yourself, and you'll have your answer.

It's about pride in the job and wanting things to be "right" no matter what the current flavor of the game is. If you've been playing FFXI for more than 2 years, you have witnessed several changes in how xp is obtained.

You never know how the game might change again. If your job is already on par on what its supposed to be like, any changes in the game should relevant to the amount of change in the game. Else, your job falls further and further behind in what it's "supposed" to be.

I thought you quit (again)?

Math disagrees with you. Take it up with him.

Just... no. You're going to have to post your math then, because while Chim Fleuret is a good sub (nerfed due to change in enspell mechanics) Str sword is a solid offhand in or out of abyssea assuming you aren't near attack capped and are subbing nin, 2-4 is still the worst option in overall damage, DA is good if near attack capped or using DW2.

Edited, Aug 18th 2011 10:56pm by Neisan

Assumed Gear:

TP: Almace/(varies)/x/smart grenade
Zelus/Rancor/Brutal/Suppa
DW Acc ACP/dusk+1/Rajas/Mar's
Atheling/Ninurta's/Calmecac/Dusk+1

WS: Almace/(varies)/x/Demonry Core
MKD Dex/agi augments/Rancor/Brutal/Jupiter Pearl
AJ/Tarasque+1/Rajas/Thundersoul
Atheling/Cuch Belt/Tumbler's/Rager Ledelsens

Using pizza+1 to cap accuracy because otherwise dex shamshir has an advantage, assumed a level 97 monster outside abyssea for comparison purposes:

offhand DA Khanda: 79.065 average DPS (average # rounds 8.115)
offhand Str Shamshir: 80.670 average DPS (average # rounds 8.759)
offhand Chimeric: 78.215 average DPS (average # rounds 8.501)

RCB + Dex shamshir: 80.892 average DPS (Average # rounds 9.606)


Inside Abyssea, level 97 mob for comparison purposes, +40 boost from cruor min, RR/Apoc/A/O atmas, RCB:

offhand DA khanda: 297.238 Average DPS (average # rounds 6.241)
offhand Str shamshir: 306.652 Average DPS (average #rounds 6.519)
offhand chimeric: 301.927 average DPS (average # rounds 6.416)

Using GH over A/O:

offhand DA khanda: 275.091 average dps (average # rounds 6.868)
offhand shamshir: 280.691 average dps (average # rounds 7.246)
offhand chimeric: 277.672 average dps (average # rounds 7.099)

I take that back then, enspell damage is being completely ignored so it probably swings toward DA Khanda/Chimeric outside (attack is slightly undervalued due to using Cratio calculations over pDIF however so how much I don't know).



EDIT: Was too lazy to change WS set, obv use a dDEX set if applicable

EDIT2: updated armor to include head/neck/ear slots


Edited, Aug 19th 2011 9:38am by Neisan

Veering away from marginal mathematical semantics, Temper coming at 95 as basically a DA spell. Hoping it's at least 15%, possibly scaling with Enhancing skill. In the event it can be cast on others, really hope its base duration is at least 5 minutes.

Those numbers include both TP phase and WS frequency, and include calculations for hits to 100 after weaponskilling depending on how many hits land from CDC. DA sword isn't a straight increase you seem to think it is due to it's delay and the fact it doesn't increase TP speed as much as you think it does (You undervalue attack pretty badly, and even Kine's sheet is slightly undervaluing attack). Assumed monster stats were 420 defense (reduced by 10% by Dia 2), 395 evasion (rough estimate), 97 agi (rough estimate). Marches/Samba weren't added in this one. Average number of rounds is the amount of rounds to 100 and assumes you over TP half the time. Download Kine's sheet if you want to see his calcs they're too long to post here (used pld sheet and edited gear for Rdm, there's a tab for enlight but I ignored it since it's mechanics are different, and I'm too lazy to adjust it for normal enspells).

I posted which food is used already, pizza+1 was outside due to accuracy dropping off against a higher level mob, inside versus same target RR+cruor buffs cover the acc loss enough to cap accuracy with RCB.




Edited, Aug 19th 2011 9:52am by Neisan

You're already talking about it, but may as well post the RDM-specific bits here anyways:


Edited, Aug 19th 2011 6:17am by SunriderRagnarok