Then you need to go back and re read this entire thread, I have stated numerous times why RDM is useless in abyssea. I have also stated why it is Useful in the small % of nonabyssean content that is actually relevant. (or possibly relevant in the future if SE continues to release augmented old gear. Which is why me and 2 MNK friends are activly clearing Salvage with me as RDM).
Correction: You gave excuses that were all countered. I'll break them down one by one based off your post here. You've ignored every single counter only to bring up another argument just as wrong.
RDM offers nothing in abyssea that can not be achieved by subbing WHM.
As I said, the ability to /whm is not the same thing as being a WHM, RDM or SCH. I asked you a very specific question if you've seen any jobs outside of those three pick up a haste/refresh cycle? BLMs aren't going to main heal, neither should they. So, just because it CAN be done by another job doesn't mean it's being done by other jobs. People still look at RDMs,WHMs and SCHs to be the main and support healers. Nothing has changed.
Enfeebles are redundant,
How? From level 75 on up, RDM has acquired RDM only spells.
T4 nukes are a drop in the bucket
What? Can you define that? How much damage do you consider a "drop in the bucket" vs "good damage"? What is your definition?
it can't reliably heal anything harder than Visions Teir 2 mobs on its own
Then you obviously suck. Your failure to cure doesn't reflect on the entire job. I'll admit that without cure V, it is tough, but it still can be done. Your job would be to assist the WHM in healing anyway. You can't complain about being the main healer, then complain about being the back up healer. WTF do you want?
It has nothing of value inside of abyssea and contributes nothing to a group, except the ability to hold extra pop items and/or prevent drops from going to the ground.
Read above. Then you obviously suck. I mean really there isn't any other way to put it. If your LS can't find ANY value of you other than holding pop items, then you simply suck.
The only valid point you or hyrist have made is RDM is fun. Which I won't deny, I love running around smacking fodder mobs upside the face /NIN farming Dark Rings.
I've made plenty of valid points. They are the ones that you conveniently forget to reply to. Like your rant that people stopped leveling in places like Bibiki Bay because the mob moves were horrible so they stopped and went to the Mire? You are completely full of ish that is doing nothing but trolling like you did years ago. You're going to come back later and say "OH, I was just trolling, RDM is very useful in Abyssea".
But the fact of the matter is, RDM offers absolutely nothing to a group, and other jobs are faster when playing alone. In an event where time management is everything that is the biggest factor in usefulness. Having to let a mob deaggro then reclaim in hopes of getting lucky on a 2/7 proc chance from a RDM is time consuming and bothersome. Sure I culd run out as RDM/WHM and heal my THF/NIN friend while we duo farm seals, or I an go on my BLM/WHM heal just as efficiently, and bring 4/7 procs.
If you have nothing to offer in a group, then you suck.
As for RDM being desired, I think I have been over this enough through the years. **** you even stole my line. I never played RDM in the "game friendly" way. I was either meleeing in groups, or soloing sh*t in sky (or lowman farmin Kity Pants with 4 other RDM's and a PLD.) I could care less of the position RDM held, because at the time RDM was the most useful job for how I played the game. Unfortunately it is now to slow FOR ME, and my friends. It is inadequate as a time efficient soloer, it is inadequate in as a time efficient group member, and that makes it mostly useless, in the current game where time is everything.
You did what you did against the grain because RDM was very popular. Now that it isn't so popular, you don't want to do it any more. That's what I meant by being desired.
But since you don't read, or lack the ability to comprehend basic english (and the same things being said numerous times.)I don't know why I am wasting my time talking to you. I could honestly give a rats *** if you think that is bandwagoning. The two jobs I leveled were leveled for largely personal reasons, mostly because I was tired of leeching from my friends, living in an illusuion that I was being of assistance at all in Abyssea.
I also don't care if you're a band wagoner. Just don't come on RDM forums proclaiming otherwise telling new people that it's useless because you apparently suck at it. I wouldn't have a problem with you if you weren't acting like RDM is "useless", because it isn't. I really don't care why you changed jobs, just don't come here making up stuff and telling people lies.
Furthermore I couldn't give 2 sh*ts what you or anyone else does or finds fun in this game. In fact it doesn't even matter how I play the game, regardless of how any of us choose to play, the game mechanics do not support RDM being practically functional in Abyssea. This is something we can't change no matter what sub we choose, or what gear we wear. The game design prevents RDM from being useful in abyssea, and in a game where abyssea is everything, and thus Time Efficiency is key, RDM is mostly useless (again mostly means largely or not quite completely useless.)
RDM isn't any form of "useless" in abyssea.
And I am now done responding to you because you lack any logic, or ability to form constructive arguments, concerns etc. and No, stamping your foot and screaming no no no bandwagoner, no no no isn't a constructive argument. which is why I haven't responded to anything you seem to think has been.
And once more, you're full of ish. You wrote more on this post then you have your previous posts towards me combined. You re-iterated the same garbage numerous times. The amount of effort you placed in this post far exceeded the amount of effort necessary to respond to the statements you ignored. You even would continue to argue points within the same post that contained stuff you ignored.
So, obviously this has nothing to with my "logic" or "inability to form arguments", but your own failure. Else, you wouldn't continue to bring up more and different arguments, now would you?