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#1 Jan 29 2011 at 2:52 PM Rating: Good
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What is the proper way to play say a RDM/SCH? Should I play it similar to SCH shifting between the proper arts for whatever I'm doing? I'd occasionally like to use the strategems but after that I'd like to get rid of the Arts and just be neutral. How do most people handle a RDM/SCH?
#2 Jan 29 2011 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
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What is the proper way to play say a RDM/SCH? Should I play it similar to SCH shifting between the proper arts for whatever I'm doing? I'd occasionally like to use the strategems but after that I'd like to get rid of the Arts and just be neutral. How do most people handle a RDM/SCH?


Good luck trying to accession SS/enspells without light arts, or graviga without dark arts. Sadly strategems and the arts MP conserve/fast cast is the ENTIRE reason you use the sub.

How you play it depends on your role however. MT (Multiple target) fights see more use out of dark arts due to the enhanced crowd control abilities, ST fights light arts seems to be favored.


However, you'll be using those books one way or another, if you don't want to, I'd stick to /BLM.

PS: This should probably be in the RDM forum, no?
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#3 Jan 29 2011 at 3:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Job forums are primarily dead. I got a useful answer from you in minutes whereas on the RDM forum it'd be a couple days before I get a response. But thank you for the information and quick answer.
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Oh I understand your logic, but just a warning some people get butthurt about it; I don't really care.

Good luck in your RDM/SCH adventures, a little practice and you'll love the sub.
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Job forums are primarily dead. I got a useful answer from you in minutes whereas on the RDM forum it'd be a couple days before I get a response. But thank you for the information and quick answer.
You would have gotten a quick response in the RDM forums if rog wasn't banned. Smiley: lol
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Id have responded quickly had it been posted there, it is my boomark.

As for /SCH, jumping arts is useful, but more often then not you can stay in light arts pretty much indefinitely. Dark Arts doesn't really give us that large of a boost except for some AoE CC, Graviga primarily (if you need sleepga you should just /BLM). Everything else from dark arts is kind of meh, the element ACC boost is nice but with how much MACC you get via atma's it is mostly redundant. Light arts is good, because it gives you -na's as well as some longer MP duration. As well as AoE Stoneskin, and IMO the best AoE of Enspells, (an additional 25 DMG with a solid enhancing set on a group of melee is a nice bonus.)


As for the inevitable post in regards to casting timers and mp cost increase of cross art casting. RDM can pertty much cap recast alone. With 50% in fast cast (25% recast) 15% haste buff, and 10 more haste required in gear (easily done). You will notice a little bit longer times by comparison to not having it, but in reality it is not as harsh on a RDM as say a SCH being caught in the wrong art. The MP increase can build up over time, but really with high teens in refresh, and convert, as well as the MP saved from casting cures, hastes, refreshes in light arts it pretty much balances itself out, and again does not hit RDM very hard.

TLDR.

You can full time light arts, and swap as needed to Dark arts. Dark arts is mostly redundant, unless you know 100% for sure you will be nuking or CCing 100% of the time. Otherwise you may as well just nuke and CC in light arts, with minimal drawback.
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Couple hours at most, I check the rdm forums several several times daily.
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Job forums are primarily dead. I got a useful answer from you in minutes whereas on the RDM forum it'd be a couple days before I get a response. But thank you for the information and quick answer.


Couple hours at most, I check the rdm forums several several times daily.


Similar.

As for the question, if you're more expected to be healing, then you'll certainly want to stay in Addendum: White if status effects are also a concern. If not, you can juggle back and forth to Dark if you'd be able to put Drain and Aspir to use. In general, I /SCH when I'm feeling for more nukey and the additional MACC of boosted Elemental skill is always nice on harder mobs. My charges tend to go toward Parsimony here to cut down on the occasional Blizzard 4 cost (Even more handy if you're able to burn through a chainspell thanks to a blue chest). I wouldn't stress too much over cross-casting except for maybe nuking in light arts. Actual situations for Graviga and Bindga use have been rare for me, but if you're paired with someone who likes to AoE farm, I can see it being handy.
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You would have gotten a quick response in the RDM forums if rog wasn't banned.



Rogs been banned? Since when? And for what? Temp or perma?

I bet half of alla is dancing in the streets right now, while the other half is mourning over this tragic loss.

Rog is like one of those tyrant political figures that has his regime of loyal followers, and at the same time, has several parties of angry protesters plotting his assassination.
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Rogs been banned? Since when? And for what? Temp or perma?

I bet half of alla is dancing in the streets right now, while the other half is mourning over this tragic loss.

Rog is like one of those tyrant political figures that has his regime of loyal followers, and at the same time, has several parties of angry protesters plotting his assassination.


Perma for calling out catwho mostly. It's on this page or the last, it's the locked topic.

Edited, Jan 29th 2011 5:55pm by Overburn
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Perma for calling out catwho mostly. It's on this page or the last, it's the locked topic.


More like for being a **** in 28k of his last 29k posts, even after being warned repeatedly.

Anyhow, like others said, whether I sit in light or dark depends on things like whether I need erase/-na from addendum or if I want to be using manifestation for crowd control, or if I need to spam dispel. I juggle if I have to, as annoying as that can be.
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Wow I didn't realize Rog was banned, I've kinda been staying away from alla cause I got tired of his BS. Maybe we can have peace now without someone spamming insulting posts every thread.

/SCH really depends on what your doing. Sitting in LA + AW mode you've mostly become a super efficient RDM/WHM, spamming -na's while keeping Slow II / Para II / Addle on the target NM (tier II or higher usually). You can aoe enspell / stoneskin / cure's / regen II / phalanx. Personally I've gotta to love aoeing a 410 skill phalanx 1, -39 damage per hit adds up and often results in 0 damage taken on shield blocks. But really is your call, you can also aoe status removals and on certain NM's that is a god send. DA mode lets you do some neat things. Mostly I like the MP / FC savings on nukes and drain / aspir. MM + Beyond + Alure is my typical RDM/SCH load out, equals to pretty big nukes along with pretty potent enfeebles. Another interesting trick is if your group needs a mega aoe sleep for some reason, you can do Manifestation + Saboteur + Sleep II for a Sleepga III effect. Never found a good use for AD as we already have the spells it would give us.

Sub SCH really is about flexibility, RDM has always been a generalist and /SCH just lets you expound on that (for mage stuff).

Edited, Jan 31st 2011 4:08pm by saevellakshmi
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When I change my main to RDM, my sub automatically defaults to SCH..


lol, seriously though, it's situational. If you have a WHM in a party, you can really take advantage of the different arts. Contrary to some belief, DA is actually just as useful as LA depending on your role. If I have a WHM in the party and we're fighting a NM or something, I nuke with DA. At that time, LA isn't that critical as a back up healer. Obviously you want LA if you're main healing.
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saevellakshmi wrote:
You can aoe enspell II


Did they change this? Last I remembered you can't AoE the T2s (not that you'd want too because lolacc check on strike unless they fixed that too and I missed it or something.)
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You can aoe enspell II


Did they change this? Last I remembered you can't AoE the T2s (not that you'd want too because lolacc check on strike unless they fixed that too and I missed it or something.)

Nope, doesn't work. Enspell 1 only. Just checked again to be sure.
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Keep Light Arts up primarily (unless you're nuking heavily), use stratagems as much as possible. I mostly use accession as RDM to AoE Phalanx and Stoneskin and sometimes Enspells, and Protect and Shell of course at the start. Dark Arts is a handy backup if you find your light on curing / support and want to nuke more, or you get the sudden **** hits the fan and need to crowd control. /SCH is a wonderful subjob for RDM, I only use /WHM or /BLM in very situational cases now.
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#17 Jan 31 2011 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
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saevellakshmi wrote:
You can aoe enspell II


Did they change this? Last I remembered you can't AoE the T2s (not that you'd want too because lolacc check on strike unless they fixed that too and I missed it or something.)


That was a typo, should of been aoe enspell / regen II.

I'm sitting @416 enhancing magic right now, after I upgrade my feet to +2 I should be over 420, time to go take it out for a spin.
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saevellakshmi wrote:
You can aoe enspell II


Did they change this? Last I remembered you can't AoE the T2s (not that you'd want too because lolacc check on strike unless they fixed that too and I missed it or something.)

Nope, doesn't work. Enspell 1 only. Just checked again to be sure.


Not that you'd ever want to AoE the Enspell 2s onto your probably-mostly-Enhancing-skill-less frontline, anyway.
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Aquaveil is just perfect for Accension. Usually lasts through 2 minutes for a cyclable spell, and /NINers don't need 102% interrupt builds.
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Perma for calling out catwho mostly. It's on this page or the last, it's the locked topic.


More like for being a **** in 28k of his last 29k posts, even after being warned repeatedly.

Anyhow, like others said, whether I sit in light or dark depends on things like whether I need erase/-na from addendum or if I want to be using manifestation for crowd control, or if I need to spam dispel. I juggle if I have to, as annoying as that can be.


Meh, he was the last thing that kept this site interesting. The admins scared away all the other interesting people already. Now it's either a bunch trolls who do it wrong, people who want information spoon fed or old farts shooting the sh*t. This site has been losing relevance for this game for years, it's probably better to just forget it and move on like the rest.

Between FFXI wiki, FFXIAH and Bluegartr you can get all the info you need minus the **** hurt admins(well, forgiving blue gartr).

ETA: I don't know about the whole Catwho relic situation. I'm tempted to think her LS really didn't mind but at the same time I am forced to remember what a raging unapologetic karma ***** she is.

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#21 Feb 03 2011 at 6:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Interest is relative. If you're all about meme regurgitation and juvenile antics, then sure, he may have been your boy. If you wanna crybaby about how Alla is dying with no personal interest in helping undo that, then kindly show yourself out (and make a whine post in =10, I guess). Alla is not the Rog Blog. Any meaningful role he played will gradually be replaced by one or more posters. That's kind of what differentiates a community from a herd of sheep.
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I will never understand these sycophantic followings jackassery antics can get, nor why people keep thinking he was the sole source of knowledge and/or interest.

Edited, Feb 3rd 2011 6:26pm by jlejeune
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I will never understand these sycophantic followings jackassery antics can get, nor why people keep thinking he was the sole source of knowledge and/or interest.

Edited, Feb 3rd 2011 6:26pm by jlejeune


and/or frustration.
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I don't really get it, either, but c'est la vie. For now, I'll just take some idle delight in the trolls being uneasy with all the woefully tyrannical censorship we're enduring now. O:)
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I won't be taking it easy. I don't do anything wrong so ill just continue as I always do.
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