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#27 Nov 11 2010 at 12:35 PM Rating: Good
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K1n371x wrote:
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
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San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Nothing is resistant enough for 5 macc to beat 7 mab
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Well, yes, it can beat novio
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
i didn't contradict myself
lol
Nothing is currently resistant enough for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. You know, as of level 85, with +80~100 free int? And +55~ skill outside abyssea, where there are no resistant mobs? It's mathmatically possible for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. However there are no situations where that is true, at this time.


First of all, this is a conversation, not an argument. That said, I dont think you have all the numbers figured out as well as you think you do. If 80-100 int is flooring your resist rates, explan this:

Primeval Brew

Blizzard III 7252
Blizzard III 5076
Blizzard III 4895
Blizzard III 5076
Blizzard III 3509
Blizzard III 3662
Blizzard III 4462
Those aren't resists, dumbass. That's the blm nerf. Casting the same element repeatedly causes a drop in damage.
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#28 Nov 11 2010 at 12:38 PM Rating: Default
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San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
K1n371x wrote:
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
K1n371x wrote:
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Nothing is resistant enough for 5 macc to beat 7 mab
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Well, yes, it can beat novio
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
i didn't contradict myself
lol
Nothing is currently resistant enough for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. You know, as of level 85, with +80~100 free int? And +55~ skill outside abyssea, where there are no resistant mobs? It's mathmatically possible for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. However there are no situations where that is true, at this time.


First of all, this is a conversation, not an argument. That said, I dont think you have all the numbers figured out as well as you think you do. If 80-100 int is flooring your resist rates, explan this:

Primeval Brew

Blizzard III 7252
Blizzard III 5076
Blizzard III 4895
Blizzard III 5076
Blizzard III 3509
Blizzard III 3662
Blizzard III 4462
Those aren't resists, dumbass. That's the blm nerf. Casting the same element repeatedly causes a drop in damage.


Then explain the last nuke, which is higher then the second to last nuke.

Edited, Nov 11th 2010 1:45pm by K1n371x
#29 Nov 11 2010 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good
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You can't possibly be this out of touch with the nuking mechanics of this game...
#30 Nov 11 2010 at 12:44 PM Rating: Decent
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K1n371x wrote:
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
K1n371x wrote:
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
K1n371x wrote:
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Nothing is resistant enough for 5 macc to beat 7 mab
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Well, yes, it can beat novio
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
i didn't contradict myself
lol
Nothing is currently resistant enough for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. You know, as of level 85, with +80~100 free int? And +55~ skill outside abyssea, where there are no resistant mobs? It's mathmatically possible for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. However there are no situations where that is true, at this time.


First of all, this is a conversation, not an argument. That said, I dont think you have all the numbers figured out as well as you think you do. If 80-100 int is flooring your resist rates, explan this:

Primeval Brew

Blizzard III 7252
Blizzard III 5076
Blizzard III 4895
Blizzard III 5076
Blizzard III 3509
Blizzard III 3662
Blizzard III 4462
Those aren't resists, dumbass. That's the blm nerf. Casting the same element repeatedly causes a drop in damage.
Then explain the last nuke, which is higher then the second to last nuke.
Yep, it sure does.
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#31 Nov 11 2010 at 12:50 PM Rating: Default
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San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Yep, it sure does.


So whats causing the lower to higher damage fluxuations? If theyre not resists, what are they?

Edited, Nov 11th 2010 1:54pm by K1n371x

Edited, Nov 11th 2010 1:55pm by K1n371x
#32 Nov 11 2010 at 1:01 PM Rating: Good
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K1n371x wrote:
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Yep, it sure does.
So whats causing the lower to higher damage fluxuations? If theyre not resists, what are they?
I already ******* explained what it was. The damage resistance doesn't last forever.
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#33 Nov 11 2010 at 1:16 PM Rating: Default
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San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
I already @#%^ing explained what it was.


No you didnt, you only explained higher to lower.

San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
The damage resistance doesn't last forever.


Now you did, but i'm not satisfied with that explination because the nukes were chainspelled, leaving little time for the effect to fade, and the damge delt looks like this:

higher
lower
lower
higher
lower
higher
higher

The nerf faded twice with chainspell in this small sample. (by your explination anyway) Does that mean unchainspelled nukes would never see the nerf because the effect fades too quickly?

Edited, Nov 11th 2010 2:17pm by K1n371x
#34 Nov 11 2010 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
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Does that mean unchainspelled nukes would never see the nerf because the effect fades too quickly?
Assuming one person? yes, that's exactly what it means. Have you ever nuked anything before?

Edited, Nov 11th 2010 2:19pm by ThePsychoticOne
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I got these and never looked back.

Cassandra's Earring
Helenus's Earring

Theyre probably better then moldy/novio vs resistant NMs.



K1n371x wrote:
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
K1n371x wrote:
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
K1n371x wrote:
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Nothing is resistant enough for 5 macc to beat 7 mab
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Well, yes, it can beat novio
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
i didn't contradict myself
lol
Nothing is currently resistant enough for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. You know, as of level 85, with +80~100 free int? And +55~ skill outside abyssea, where there are no resistant mobs? It's mathmatically possible for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. However there are no situations where that is true, at this time.


First of all, this is a conversation, not an argument. That said, I dont think you have all the numbers figured out as well as you think you do. If 80-100 int is flooring your resist rates, explan this:

Primeval Brew

Blizzard III 7252
Blizzard III 5076
Blizzard III 4895
Blizzard III 5076
Blizzard III 3509
Blizzard III 3662
Blizzard III 4462
Those aren't resists, dumbass. That's the blm nerf. Casting the same element repeatedly causes a drop in damage.


Then explain the last nuke, which is higher then the second to last nuke.

Edited, Nov 11th 2010 1:45pm by K1n371x


Did you just miss the BLM nerf or have you never seriously nuked anything before? >_>
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lol about your nerd rage, name calling, and cursing.

The last two nukes were higher then their previous nukes, but whatever, we could say he took longer cast those.

I dont have 80-100 free int in buffs/atma, or a novio, and the OP probably doesnt either. Cassandra's/Helenus's are excellent nuking earrings.
#37 Nov 11 2010 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Did you just miss the BLM nerf or have you never seriously nuked anything before? >_>


No, I didnt know about the nerf.
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#38 Nov 11 2010 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
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lol about your nerd rage, name calling, and cursing.
To be honest, when you said that Macc+5 MAB+5 was probably better than MAB+12, you kinda deserved it.
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chewzer wrote:
K1n371x wrote:
lol about your nerd rage, name calling, and cursing.
To be honest, when you said that Macc+5 MAB+5 was probably better than MAB+12, you kinda deserved it.


I said, probably, vs resistant NMs. Rog agreed with that statment in his older post I quoted. Apparently there are no resistant NMs anymore, IF you have the atma.

I dont have the atma, and I didnt know that, so I deserve to be called a ****** and a dumbass?


Edited, Nov 11th 2010 3:31pm by K1n371x
#40 Nov 11 2010 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
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so I deserve to be called a ****** and a dumbass?
yes
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#41 Nov 11 2010 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
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San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
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so I deserve to be called a ****** and a dumbass?
yes


=P
#42 Nov 11 2010 at 2:41 PM Rating: Good
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K1n371x wrote:
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
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so I deserve to be called a ****** and a dumbass?
yes


=P


Could be worse, he could have called you silly.
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#43 Nov 27 2010 at 3:26 AM Rating: Decent
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San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Nothing is currently resistant enough for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. You know, as of level 85, with +80~100 free int? And +55~ skill outside abyssea, where there are no resistant mobs? It's mathmatically possible for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. However there are no situations where that is true, at this time.


Then why are you wearing this instead of that?

Edited, Nov 27th 2010 4:28am by K1n371x
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K1n371x wrote:
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Nothing is currently resistant enough for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. You know, as of level 85, with +80~100 free int? And +55~ skill outside abyssea, where there are no resistant mobs? It's mathmatically possible for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. However there are no situations where that is true, at this time.
Then why are you wearing this instead of that?
Uh...Seriously? There's a pretty big difference between 5 macc vs 7 mab and 15 macc vs ~1.5 mab
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#45 Nov 27 2010 at 10:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
K1n371x wrote:
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Nothing is currently resistant enough for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. You know, as of level 85, with +80~100 free int? And +55~ skill outside abyssea, where there are no resistant mobs? It's mathmatically possible for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. However there are no situations where that is true, at this time.
Then why are you wearing this instead of that?
Uh...Seriously? There's a pretty big difference between 5 macc vs 7 mab and 15 macc vs ~1.5 mab


"Nothing is currently resistant", and you are the type to nerd rage over 1 int. So why not?

Personally, I wouldnt either. Ive since aquired minikin, and combined with stock cruor buffs, I wouldnt say my resist rates are floored vs tough stuff.

So basically what Im saying is, stuff is still resistant and youre wrong.

Edited, Nov 27th 2010 12:09pm by K1n371x
#46 Nov 27 2010 at 11:11 AM Rating: Default
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K1n371x wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
K1n371x wrote:
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Nothing is currently resistant enough for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. You know, as of level 85, with +80~100 free int? And +55~ skill outside abyssea, where there are no resistant mobs? It's mathmatically possible for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. However there are no situations where that is true, at this time.
Then why are you wearing this instead of that?
Uh...Seriously? There's a pretty big difference between 5 macc vs 7 mab and 15 macc vs ~1.5 mab
"Nothing is currently resistant", and you are the type to nerd rage over 1 int. So why not?

Personally, I wouldnt either. Ive since aquired minikin, and combined with stock cruor buffs, I wouldnt say my resist rates are floored vs tough stuff.

So basically what Im saying is, stuff is still resistant and youre wrong.
"my resist rates are floored vs tough stuff" wtf, no it's not!"

See? I can misquote you too.
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#47 Nov 27 2010 at 11:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
K1n371x wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
K1n371x wrote:
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Nothing is currently resistant enough for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. You know, as of level 85, with +80~100 free int? And +55~ skill outside abyssea, where there are no resistant mobs? It's mathmatically possible for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. However there are no situations where that is true, at this time.
Then why are you wearing this instead of that?
Uh...Seriously? There's a pretty big difference between 5 macc vs 7 mab and 15 macc vs ~1.5 mab
"Nothing is currently resistant", and you are the type to nerd rage over 1 int. So why not?

Personally, I wouldnt either. Ive since aquired minikin, and combined with stock cruor buffs, I wouldnt say my resist rates are floored vs tough stuff.

So basically what Im saying is, stuff is still resistant and youre wrong.
"my resist rates are floored vs tough stuff" wtf, no it's not!"

See? I can misquote you too.


If your resist rates are not floored, then 5 macc will beat 7 mab. Yes?
#48 Nov 27 2010 at 11:36 AM Rating: Default
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K1n371x wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
K1n371x wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
K1n371x wrote:
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Nothing is currently resistant enough for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. You know, as of level 85, with +80~100 free int? And +55~ skill outside abyssea, where there are no resistant mobs? It's mathmatically possible for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. However there are no situations where that is true, at this time.
Then why are you wearing this instead of that?
Uh...Seriously? There's a pretty big difference between 5 macc vs 7 mab and 15 macc vs ~1.5 mab
"Nothing is currently resistant", and you are the type to nerd rage over 1 int. So why not?

Personally, I wouldnt either. Ive since aquired minikin, and combined with stock cruor buffs, I wouldnt say my resist rates are floored vs tough stuff.

So basically what Im saying is, stuff is still resistant and youre wrong.
"my resist rates are floored vs tough stuff" wtf, no it's not!"

See? I can misquote you too.
If your resist rates are not floored, then 5 macc will beat 7 mab. Yes?
...what?
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#49 Nov 27 2010 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
K1n371x wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
K1n371x wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
K1n371x wrote:
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Nothing is currently resistant enough for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. You know, as of level 85, with +80~100 free int? And +55~ skill outside abyssea, where there are no resistant mobs? It's mathmatically possible for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. However there are no situations where that is true, at this time.
Then why are you wearing this instead of that?
Uh...Seriously? There's a pretty big difference between 5 macc vs 7 mab and 15 macc vs ~1.5 mab
"Nothing is currently resistant", and you are the type to nerd rage over 1 int. So why not?

Personally, I wouldnt either. Ive since aquired minikin, and combined with stock cruor buffs, I wouldnt say my resist rates are floored vs tough stuff.

So basically what Im saying is, stuff is still resistant and youre wrong.
"my resist rates are floored vs tough stuff" wtf, no it's not!"

See? I can misquote you too.
If your resist rates are not floored, then 5 macc will beat 7 mab. Yes?
...what?


"Nothing is currently resistant enough for 5 macc to beat 7 mab."

Thats not true. Thats what.


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K1n371x wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
K1n371x wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
K1n371x wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
K1n371x wrote:
San d'Orian Royal Heir ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Nothing is currently resistant enough for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. You know, as of level 85, with +80~100 free int? And +55~ skill outside abyssea, where there are no resistant mobs? It's mathmatically possible for 5 macc to beat 7 mab. However there are no situations where that is true, at this time.
Then why are you wearing this instead of that?
Uh...Seriously? There's a pretty big difference between 5 macc vs 7 mab and 15 macc vs ~1.5 mab
"Nothing is currently resistant", and you are the type to nerd rage over 1 int. So why not?

Personally, I wouldnt either. Ive since aquired minikin, and combined with stock cruor buffs, I wouldnt say my resist rates are floored vs tough stuff.

So basically what Im saying is, stuff is still resistant and youre wrong.
"my resist rates are floored vs tough stuff" wtf, no it's not!"

See? I can misquote you too.
If your resist rates are not floored, then 5 macc will beat 7 mab. Yes?
...what?
"Nothing is currently resistant enough for 5 macc to beat 7 mab."

Thats not true. Thats what.
No, what did you mean by your last post?
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#51 Nov 27 2010 at 2:45 PM Rating: Good
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"Nothing is currently resistant enough for 5 macc to beat 7 mab."

I don't remember a lick of math behind nuking (and most of FFXI), but equipping INT sounds like it'd be better vibes than equipping M.acc, in situations where either could be "preferable" to MAB.

Maybe?

--edit--
Like... even though macc compliments MAB in a multiplicative way on these "resistant" mobs ("MORE good nukes"), it seems like once you reach a certain level of MAB (140+?), INT's increase to the base damage (which said MAB multiplicatively effects) is enough to make it the better option ["BETTER good nukes" (retaining an itty bitty hint of "MORE good nukes", from INT's inherent macc)].

Anyone here good at math or something?

Edited, Nov 27th 2010 4:08pm by IcookPizza
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