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#1 Apr 09 2010 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
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Which is the better combo?

I have the gil for either or... If I went with Blau I need about 60 levels on my dagger and then unlock evisceration. Which would be whatever, wouldn't sway the decision one way or the other.





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#2 Apr 09 2010 at 4:28 PM Rating: Good
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Justice/Joyeuse is the way to go, but that's not what you're asking. Smiley: tongue

Personally, I normally opt for Esword/Joyeuse and stacking T1 Enspell damage (Hollow and Fencer's) for the DoT. I feel the added damage and epeen Death Blossoms make up for the higher delay. Plus Death Blossom is much easier to gear than Evisceration, since it's modifiers are MND and STR.

However, if you're going to be focusing on piercing-weak mobs, go with Blau/Joyeuse.

Edited, Apr 9th 2010 5:33pm by chewzer
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#3 Apr 10 2010 at 12:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Depends on your target and merit setup? Blau/Joy spaming crab sushi is best vs Birds, but it requires you to spend 16 of your combat merits into 8/8 dagger and 8/8 sword. Whereas Sword/Sword only needs 8 combat merits, and those 8 happen to be extremely popular for many other jobs in the game. Some people would have dagger merits anyway because their a THF or DNC, but Sword merits apply to PLD, BLU, RDM, COR and WAR (DW build). On non piercing weak targets DB = Evis most of the time.
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#4 Apr 10 2010 at 8:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Lol, yeah justice/joy IS the way to go... unfortunately that combo is out of my reach for the time being... and for the forseeable future!

I would have to put some work into blau/joy combo, but like I said that wouldn't be an issue. But I did neglect to think about the merits I would need for dagger, so that's kind of a bummer, those are not fun merits to acquire.

I mostly melee for solo purposes, or in small group settings. Targets usually range anywhere from EP to VT depending on what I'm doing, never really meleeing anything crazy high end.

I've thought about just getting both, but I just can't justify dropping 3.5+ M on 2 weapons that I would never use at the same time, especially when I need gears for other jobs.

So is it safe to say that blau/joy and E/joy are similar enough to each other, depending on targets and build, that I can't go wrong either way? Or does one REALLY outshine the other in more situations than not?

I would think the DPS' would be similar depending on builds and targets. Or am I incorrect to assume that?
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#5 Apr 13 2010 at 2:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Really depends on target. Neither is directly superior to the other, and both have opertunity costs. Think long and hard about those merits, blowing 8 of your 20 total upgrades into a weapon you will only use on one job, while soloing or in low man situations might be a bit much. On non-piercing weak targets E/Joy equals or beats out (depending) Blau/Joy, and on piercing weak targets Blau/Joy wins only if you have 8 dagger merits (along with your 8 sword merits).
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#6 Apr 13 2010 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
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Justice/Joyeuse is the way to go, but that's not what you're asking.


Madigan/Joy is the new, better Justice/Joy unless the Proc on the weapon is miserable for some reason.
#7 Apr 13 2010 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Justice/Joyeuse is the way to go, but that's not what you're asking.
Madigan/Joy is the new, better Justice/Joy unless the Proc on the weapon is miserable for some reason.
It's my understanding that the proc rate is 40%, so no, joy/justice (wtf@justice/joy...typo?) is better.
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#8 Apr 13 2010 at 12:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
(wtf@justice/joy...typo?)
Yeah, typo. I'm not the brightest bulb in the bunch, but I'm not the dullest, either. Smiley: wink
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The One and Only chewzer wrote:
ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
(wtf@justice/joy...typo?)
Yeah, typo. I'm not the brightest bulb in the bunch, but I'm not the dullest, either. Smiley: wink
So you're like a 60 watt light bulb?
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#10 Apr 13 2010 at 12:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
The One and Only chewzer wrote:
ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
(wtf@justice/joy...typo?)
Yeah, typo. I'm not the brightest bulb in the bunch, but I'm not the dullest, either. Smiley: wink
So you're like a 60 watt light bulb?
Yeah, but at least I'm halogen.

That sounded funnier in my head.
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#11Fynlar, Posted: Apr 13 2010 at 7:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What's the difference? >_>
#12 Apr 13 2010 at 7:55 PM Rating: Good
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Fynlar wrote:
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joy/justice (wtf@justice/joy...typo?) is better.
What's the difference? >_>
35>34...?
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#13 Apr 13 2010 at 8:31 PM Rating: Good
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I don't pay enough attention to who's posting and therefore i fail at detecting sarcasm. :D

Edited, Apr 13th 2010 9:32pm by Aiyl
#14 Apr 13 2010 at 9:41 PM Rating: Good
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It's my understanding that the proc rate is 40%, so no, joy/justice (wtf@justice/joy...typo?) is better.


About the order, not a typo, an intentional mix up to see who would be the first person to correct. big supprise.

As far as the proc rate on the Madigan weapons, I'm going to want to see that verified, but it's not surprising that SE would **** that up too.
#15 Apr 13 2010 at 10:31 PM Rating: Decent
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35>34...?


Wouldn't having OAT (that combines with Double Attack) on the main hand outweigh such a minute DMG difference, or does that still not work on weapon skills?

Even if not... it's rather nitpicky and not really deserving of a wtf.
#16 Apr 13 2010 at 11:57 PM Rating: Decent
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It doesn't work on WS, and DA effects either hand the same.

Its more the principle of things, that someone would wear a lower D weapon in their main hand for no other reason then they didn't know better... or didn't care.
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#17 Apr 14 2010 at 1:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok so I figured I try the E. sword first. Figured if I don't like it, I can sell it back and go with Blau...

A few things I noticed right off the bat... the added enspell damage is nice. The boost in base damage is significant. The weapon skill damage is NOT impressive. Not compared to Martial Anelace. I know, I know, it's a textbook case of BNS. but I like seeing 500-900 damage on my savage blade. So that leaves me a little disappointed, although I figured that would be the case.

Now I've only had it 2 days and I haven't really had a lot of time to really get to know it yet. With that said, I see pros and cons already. I really wish I had a parser, and this actually might make me go download one because I have a feeling only raw numbers will be able to answer my questions from here on out. :-(
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#18 Apr 14 2010 at 5:00 PM Rating: Good
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A couple things before you start to crunch numbers.

1) Get Death Blossem. I know it's a pain in the **** but you'll see more dependable numbers that way and it's the only way a E.Sword is going to compete with a Blau.

2) Overall the weapons are more or less interchangeable, with a bit more utility on the dagger side due to Energy Drain. After that it really is a matter of spike damage vs DoT. As Evis with have a bit higher damage and better damage on birds where as the utility for Death Blossem and it's effect on Enspell accuracy really pairs well with the innate Enspell Damage + on E.Sword.

Personally, I'd plan on collecting both.
#19 Apr 15 2010 at 1:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I got both, their both awesome but you need the proper tools for each. Evis is for Blau the same as Death Blossom is to E.Sword. Using lolFB+1 as a reference is kinda poor, that WS sucks in general and requires serious STR / MND just to get acceptable numbers.
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