Mobs that build Bind resist?Follow

I've been reading Kaeko's livejournal a bit lately, and I keep noticing him refer to NMs such as Evil Oscar (KSNM), Bugboy (ENM), Ul'Yovra, and others building resistance to Bind. This is something I've never noticed actually happen (usually it's more like someone gets a string of bad resists for whatever reason, and conclude it's building resists).

Is there a list anywhere of mobs that actually build Bind resistance? I find it hard to believe that anything CoP/Zilart era would have been designed with the forethought necessary to put building Bind resistance in, and unlike Gravity, it hasn't been patched to build resist on lots of things it used to not build resists on, but if some mobs have been confirmed to build Bind resist (other than those that are straight-up immune, obviously) I'd love to hear any information on them.

Thanks.

Edit: wow, drink caffiene, then post. The initial version of this post barely even made sense.



Edited, Jan 29th 2010 12:11pm by Aliekber

I've noticed that my accuracy on Bind starts to get terrible on Gration if I try to spam it. I don't know if this is just bad luck or what, but my first Binds never have trouble sticking; it's only when I try to continuously cast it.

At least for him it's usually not that terribly crucial to bind it.

Yep, I've noticed this on Gration as well.

Why wouldn't you want to immobilize him? I pretty much only use Bind and Gravity when I want to try and dent his HP. But it's nice to land a bind and have time to try 2~3 intimidated Blizzard IIIs without having to keep running in between or waiting for AM2/ThunderIV.

Also in low man scenarios, every time I take a new RDM or BLM to Gration, they die 2~3 times, Bind is a good way to stop it from chasing them. The time I saw Bind getting resisted often was when I went with 3 people and everyone was using it for I donno why.

When I fight him he catches me if I try to nuke during any of his shorter spells, Enthunder, Haste, Shockspikes. That doesn't usually stop me, but sometimes I lose 2~3 shadows and possibly stoneskin depending on how close of a call it is. I keep Bio II, Posion II, and Slow II up on him in that order of importance. A Bind during one of those shorter casts, Enthunder, Haste, Shockspikes, would stick him there long enough that I could reapply Poison II if necessary, and with luck get 2~3 chances to cast Blizz.

I'd really like to know how much of an improvement Tabard makes on Recasts. Maybe I could be nuking during any spell and still get away with shadows up... Or maybe I'm just slow.

This was my first reaction.

The only time I ever bound Gration was to raise someone who was watching me (AoEs hit outside party).

I am nowhere near the soloer that Rog is, but soloing Gration really is incredibly easy. You honestly shouldn't ever need to bind.

You probably don't ever need to Bind, not arguing that at all. I believe Bind can be useful during the fight. I agree now that Gration is easy, especially as I've gained experience, but I know the last 3 times I've brought friends there for a fun duo, they died 2~3 times. Nobody starts with experience.

I'm going to try and solo a Fenrir soon, I predict that if I somehow lost, and came here for advice I'd get the generic response:

"Whatever mistake you made to die is easily avoidable, you are an idiot and you suck at life"

Because I was getting pretty tired of him catching up to me during a nuke, meleeing off one shadow, immediately using a 3-shadow Grand Slam after getting nuked (you need either 2 or 3 shadows to block it, determined randomly; if you don't have enough you take the full damage), and knocking me down to orange/red. So I was trying Binds.

Gration fights become so boring and monotonous after a while that eventually you just want to try ANYTHING to make them go faster.

Also yeah, I have bound him to cast Raises before, as well.

Edited, Jan 29th 2010 7:56pm by Fynlar

Edited, Jan 29th 2010 7:57pm by Fynlar

Or you could, you know, keep it to yourself.

Near Riverne.

Blizzard 3 isn't exactly a fast spell, even for RDMs. If there are any Kaiser Behemoth-esque spots in the zone that would allow for an easy nuke with no threat, I don't know about them.

If it's slower than standard Utsusemi: Ichi casting time, it's slow in my book. >_>

4.3 seconds is definitely enough for Gration to get from 21' to melee range, and even though I try to start casting when I see an Enthunder or Shock Spikes, he is done casting those pretty fast and still usually closes the gap before I finish.

In some of my more recent runs, I've been trying to nuke when he's using Thunder 4 or Burst instead. However in order to avoid the almost certain intimidate you get when casting while he's casting, I have to time my nuke properly so that it lands shortly after his does. It's not a foolproof method, at least for me yet, but probably gets easier with practice.

Edited, Jan 30th 2010 11:42am by Fynlar

4.3 secs is only enough to get from 21' to melee range if he's already chasing you when you start casting, or if he's already just about done casting when you start.


Indeed it does get easier. That is also an excellent time to nuke once you get used to the timing.

I kite it liek:



Red is standard kiting path. Pink is if i have to run to the side to avoid thundaga, and end up kiting wrong way, i turn it around using that. Green is good place to nuke (turning around the corners slows it down a lot). Blue line is stop there and wait for it to catch up+nuke, this way you have room to run away from thundaga if it casts it, instead of getting trapped with nowhere to run. Obviously i also nuke any time blizzard's recast is up, and it casts spikes/haste/en/thunder, but these spots work well when it's not casting.

I thought it was a masterpiece ;;

Yeah, but i don't think it was crude.

Maaaaybe, but I think I remember seeing this issue even before that patch that introduced the type of building elemental resistance you're talking about.

The resistance effect is NOT specific to elemental magic only. And CS Nuking will trigger it. Heck it takes about four nukes of the same element within a minute or so to trigger it. This isn't on every NM but I've noticed it on quite a few of them. First being Dynamis Lord. Our shell use's RDM/DRK's CSSing it in staggered pairs to lock him down for 2~3 min while we melee burn him down. Shortly after that update DL would go nuclear on us after the first min or so and kick our a$$. That is when we would check the log and noticed our stuns were getting the "resisted effect" message after a min or so (ohh nooo DL is building resistance to sun!!!!). I also noticed our BLM's were chain nuking burst / thunder on him. So I made mention of this, our shell then told the BLM's to not nuke with thunder (they all switched to Blizzard). Next run not a single stun resisted, in fact for the many years we've been doing him since we haven't had him resist a single stun. I've seen this pattern repeat several times on other NM's, where the BLM's focusing on thundar onry for nukes would allow the NN's to "build stun resistance". If the BLM's stop using thunder and instead spread their nukes out, then there isn't any stun resistance being built.

SE was literal when they said build resistance to elemental magic. As in the monsters elemental resistance goes up, which applies to all magic of that specific element.

Another thing that happened was me and another RDM were going to duo the Steel Cyclone WSNM (big a$$ tree in zitah). I poped it and we started kiting it around, and we both traded hate by throwing Blizzard III's out. After a bit they had to take off and I started solo kiting it using Bio / Poison + Bind / Nuke method, well after awhile bind started getting resisted heavily, and sometimes just not sticking at all. I was able to get it to 19~20% but then its regen kicked it and it just wouldn't go any lower. Got some friends to show up and finish it off though.

Then someone else need the WS a few weeks later and I offered to try my hand again, this time without chaining blizzard III nukes in the beginning. Bind had a much easier time landing through out the fight. But the regen was still annoying when it got to 19~20%, had buddies quickly finish it off at that part.

Objective evidence demonstrates otherwise. Unless you can explain away the sudden increased resists to stun on DL, then their disappearance once elements of nukes are switched.

There is a damage nerf but it also builds resistance to that element, we know the nerf goes away over time, but some NM's don't seem to drop the resistance part. Maybe a glitch on SE's part that they've never bothered to fix.

I have no +move, and never had any trouble with it.


Intimidation chance is determined at the time you cast, not when you start. So you can start casting while it's casting, you'll be able to cast with the normal chance of intimidation as long as it finishes its spell before you (which it always will for buffs, or even for nukes as long as you don't cast too soon).

Edited, Jan 31st 2010 8:55pm by ThePsychoticOne

Unrelated somewhat since I'm not a RDM but after reading the suggestions and advice in this thread I solo'd gration on SCH/NIN with helixes/bliz 3. Yea, bind isn't needed lol.

Thanks to everyone, and rog especially, for the insight on the fight.

Does Faust build bind resist?

I've only duo'd him, but the first time I had 3 gimp binds at the end and just assumed he built up a resist. Wasn't even a long fight either, was only about 15 minutes but I was abusing bind.





Edited, Feb 2nd 2010 5:48pm by HadesDoink

Well that makes that fight a hell of a lot easier then, I've been wrongfully assuming that it did so I've been saving binds for when gravity starts resisting.

Wait, what?

Sarcasm, mainly :p I always find the last 10% of Faust to be hell in terms of sticking debuffs/taking random unlucky hits through Stoneskin and such. Just consistently bad luck in my case!

How could he possibly use typhoon more often then constantly?

Really? Weird, in 30+ kills, i never noticed that. Then again, maybe that's just because i was always either overly cautious to not get hit at all, and/or had it below 50% in 5 minutes.