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#1 Jan 29 2010 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I've been reading Kaeko's livejournal a bit lately, and I keep noticing him refer to NMs such as Evil Oscar (KSNM), Bugboy (ENM), Ul'Yovra, and others building resistance to Bind. This is something I've never noticed actually happen (usually it's more like someone gets a string of bad resists for whatever reason, and conclude it's building resists).

Is there a list anywhere of mobs that actually build Bind resistance? I find it hard to believe that anything CoP/Zilart era would have been designed with the forethought necessary to put building Bind resistance in, and unlike Gravity, it hasn't been patched to build resist on lots of things it used to not build resists on, but if some mobs have been confirmed to build Bind resist (other than those that are straight-up immune, obviously) I'd love to hear any information on them.

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Edit: wow, drink caffiene, then post. The initial version of this post barely even made sense.



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#2 Jan 29 2010 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
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Vulpangue is the only other one i've noticed (i should say remember actually, as i know there are more i've seen build bind resist) other than the ones you already listed. And the orobon isnm.

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#3 Jan 29 2010 at 2:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I've noticed that my accuracy on Bind starts to get terrible on Gration if I try to spam it. I don't know if this is just bad luck or what, but my first Binds never have trouble sticking; it's only when I try to continuously cast it.

At least for him it's usually not that terribly crucial to bind it.
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Don't forget that while they might not have been designed for bind resistance at first, SE could have ninja edited them at some point after seeing RDM solo prevalence. My guess as to why its not as nerfed as gravity is that they consider gravity more useful perhaps. Since bind usually breaks after a nuke but gravity sticks... seems like something a dev would think up.
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#5 Jan 29 2010 at 3:11 PM Rating: Default
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I've noticed that my accuracy on Bind starts to get terrible on Gration if I try to spam it. I don't know if this is just bad luck or what, but my first Binds never have trouble sticking; it's only when I try to continuously cast it.

At least for him it's usually not that terribly crucial to bind it.


Yep, I've noticed this on Gration as well.
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Honestly, i'm curious as to why anyone would bind gration at all, let alone enough to find out it builds resistance to it.
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#7 Jan 29 2010 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Honestly, i'm curious as to why anyone would bind gration at all, let alone enough to find out it builds resistance to it.


Why wouldn't you want to immobilize him? I pretty much only use Bind and Gravity when I want to try and dent his HP. But it's nice to land a bind and have time to try 2~3 intimidated Blizzard IIIs without having to keep running in between or waiting for AM2/ThunderIV.

Also in low man scenarios, every time I take a new RDM or BLM to Gration, they die 2~3 times, Bind is a good way to stop it from chasing them. The time I saw Bind getting resisted often was when I went with 3 people and everyone was using it for I donno why.
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Because more often than not it'll get intimidated anyway, and if it doesn't, then you could have just got a nuke off. It doesn't take 8~10 minutes to nuke through an mp pool, so there is no risk of getting to convert with extra mp, as long as you nuke every chance you get, like you should.
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#9 Jan 29 2010 at 4:28 PM Rating: Good
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Because more often than not it'll get intimidated anyway, and if it doesn't, then you could have just got a nuke off.


When I fight him he catches me if I try to nuke during any of his shorter spells, Enthunder, Haste, Shockspikes. That doesn't usually stop me, but sometimes I lose 2~3 shadows and possibly stoneskin depending on how close of a call it is. I keep Bio II, Posion II, and Slow II up on him in that order of importance. A Bind during one of those shorter casts, Enthunder, Haste, Shockspikes, would stick him there long enough that I could reapply Poison II if necessary, and with luck get 2~3 chances to cast Blizz.

I'd really like to know how much of an improvement Tabard makes on Recasts. Maybe I could be nuking during any spell and still get away with shadows up... Or maybe I'm just slow.
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Try sucking less. It's easy to nuke during enthunder/haste/spikes, with or without tabard.
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#11 Jan 29 2010 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
Honestly, i'm curious as to why anyone would bind gration at all, let alone enough to find out it builds resistance to it.
This was my first reaction.

The only time I ever bound Gration was to raise someone who was watching me (AoEs hit outside party).
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#12 Jan 29 2010 at 4:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Try sucking less.


I don't know why you think that anyone that does things differently than you is doing it wrong, or if they have a problem you don't that they suck. You are a wealth of information, but sometimes having to put up with your ego pretty much ruins my opinion of you as a player, regardless of if you spend your time killing shit blindfolded or soloing Suzaku.

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SingBismark wrote:
Rog wrote:
Try sucking less.


I don't know why you think that anyone that does things differently than you is doing it wrong, or if they have a problem you don't that they suck. You are a wealth of information, but sometimes having to put up with your ego pretty much ruins my opinion of you as a player, regardless of if you spend your time killing shit blindfolded or soloing Suzaku.

Edited, Jan 29th 2010 5:52pm by SingBismark
I am nowhere near the soloer that Rog is, but soloing Gration really is incredibly easy. You honestly shouldn't ever need to bind.
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SingBismark wrote:
Rog wrote:
Try sucking less.


I don't know why you think that anyone that does things differently than you is doing it wrong, or if they have a problem you don't that they suck. You are a wealth of information, but sometimes having to put up with your ego pretty much ruins my opinion of you as a player, regardless of if you spend your time killing shit blindfolded or soloing Suzaku.

Well, it's not like it's really that hard. All you have to do is start nuking as soon as you see it start casting, and you'll be fine.
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#15 Jan 29 2010 at 5:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know why you think that anyone that does things differently than you is doing it wrong, or if they have a problem you don't that they suck. You are a wealth of information, but sometimes having to put up with your ego pretty much ruins my opinion of you as a player, regardless of if you spend your time killing **** blindfolded or soloing Suzaku.


I am nowhere near the soloer that Rog is, but soloing Gration really is incredibly easy. You honestly shouldn't ever need to bind.


You probably don't ever need to Bind, not arguing that at all. I believe Bind can be useful during the fight. I agree now that Gration is easy, especially as I've gained experience, but I know the last 3 times I've brought friends there for a fun duo, they died 2~3 times. Nobody starts with experience.

I'm going to try and solo a Fenrir soon, I predict that if I somehow lost, and came here for advice I'd get the generic response:

"Whatever mistake you made to die is easily avoidable, you are an idiot and you suck at life"





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SingBismark wrote:
bsphil wrote:
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I don't know why you think that anyone that does things differently than you is doing it wrong, or if they have a problem you don't that they suck. You are a wealth of information, but sometimes having to put up with your ego pretty much ruins my opinion of you as a player, regardless of if you spend your time killing sh*t blindfolded or soloing Suzaku.


I am nowhere near the soloer that Rog is, but soloing Gration really is incredibly easy. You honestly shouldn't ever need to bind.


You probably don't ever need to Bind, not arguing that at all. I believe Bind can be useful during the fight. I agree now that Gration is easy, especially as I've gained experience, but I know the last 3 times I've brought friends there for a fun duo, they died 2~3 times. Nobody starts with experience.

I'm going to try and solo a Fenrir soon, I predict that if I somehow lost, and came here for advice I'd get the generic response:

"Whatever mistake you made to die is easily avoidable, you are an idiot and you suck at life"

There is a big difference between fenrir, and gration. Fenrir, while not terribly hard, is not the joke of a fight that gration is. Losing to fenrir a few times is understandable (it took me 2-3 tries to kill it myself), but losing to gration is not (or even needing to bind it really).

Really, i don't usually judge people for not being able to solo hard(ish) mobs. I can be a bit brutal about easy **** like gration, despot, etc, but not really for things that are actually difficult (for someone without much solo experience).
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#17 Jan 29 2010 at 6:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Honestly, i'm curious as to why anyone would bind gration at all, let alone enough to find out it builds resistance to it.


Because I was getting pretty tired of him catching up to me during a nuke, meleeing off one shadow, immediately using a 3-shadow Grand Slam after getting nuked (you need either 2 or 3 shadows to block it, determined randomly; if you don't have enough you take the full damage), and knocking me down to orange/red. So I was trying Binds.

Gration fights become so boring and monotonous after a while that eventually you just want to try ANYTHING to make them go faster.

Also yeah, I have bound him to cast Raises before, as well.

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as long as you nuke every chance you get, like you should.

Good job explaining exactly why it's a good idea to bind him sometimes.

Might get 2-3 nukes off before bind breaks. 4-5 if you're really lucky.

Edited, Jan 29th 2010 11:35pm by chewzer
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ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
I can be a bit brutal about easy sh*t like gration, despot, etc.
Or you could, you know, keep it to yourself.
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Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
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Where the **** are you guys kiting where you can't finish a blizzard III quick enough to not get melee'd?
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Where the **** are you guys kiting where you can't finish a blizzard III quick enough to not get melee'd?


Near Riverne.

Blizzard 3 isn't exactly a fast spell, even for RDMs. If there are any Kaiser Behemoth-esque spots in the zone that would allow for an easy nuke with no threat, I don't know about them.
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Where the **** are you guys kiting where you can't finish a blizzard III quick enough to not get melee'd?


Near Riverne.

Blizzard 3 isn't exactly a fast spell, even for RDMs. If there are any Kaiser Behemoth-esque spots in the zone that would allow for an easy nuke with no threat, I don't know about them.

Uh, near riverne? 4.3 secs (with just af hat/loq) is kind of fast.
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If it's slower than standard Utsusemi: Ichi casting time, it's slow in my book. >_>

4.3 seconds is definitely enough for Gration to get from 21' to melee range, and even though I try to start casting when I see an Enthunder or Shock Spikes, he is done casting those pretty fast and still usually closes the gap before I finish.

In some of my more recent runs, I've been trying to nuke when he's using Thunder 4 or Burst instead. However in order to avoid the almost certain intimidate you get when casting while he's casting, I have to time my nuke properly so that it lands shortly after his does. It's not a foolproof method, at least for me yet, but probably gets easier with practice.

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Fynlar wrote:
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Where the **** are you guys kiting where you can't finish a blizzard III quick enough to not get melee'd?


Near Riverne.

Blizzard 3 isn't exactly a fast spell, even for RDMs. If there are any Kaiser Behemoth-esque spots in the zone that would allow for an easy nuke with no threat, I don't know about them.
You mean the shack there?

How can you not find a spot to cast from? lol

Man I went back and looked at my first gration solo when I was doing it to get a friend of mine a tatami. Had never done any RDM soloing before then. It was so clumsy. Still had almost no troubles and never bound it.



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4.3 seconds is definitely enough for Gration to get from 21' to melee range, and even though I try to start casting when I see an Enthunder or Shock Spikes, he is done casting those pretty fast and still usually closes the gap before I finish.

4.3 secs is only enough to get from 21' to melee range if he's already chasing you when you start casting, or if he's already just about done casting when you start.

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In some of my more recent runs, I've been trying to nuke when he's using Thunder 4 or Burst instead. However in order to avoid the almost certain intimidate you get when casting while he's casting, I have to time my nuke properly so that it lands shortly after his does. It's not a foolproof method, at least for me yet, but probably gets easier with practice.

Indeed it does get easier. That is also an excellent time to nuke once you get used to the timing.

I kite it liek:

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Red is standard kiting path. Pink is if i have to run to the side to avoid thundaga, and end up kiting wrong way, i turn it around using that. Green is good place to nuke (turning around the corners slows it down a lot). Blue line is stop there and wait for it to catch up+nuke, this way you have room to run away from thundaga if it casts it, instead of getting trapped with nowhere to run. Obviously i also nuke any time blizzard's recast is up, and it casts spikes/haste/en/thunder, but these spots work well when it's not casting.
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Crude Paint drawings, gotta love it. Anyway I'll keep that in mind the next time I try it.
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