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#502 Jan 08 2012 at 9:39 PM Rating: Good
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How I mine for trial???
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#503 Jan 09 2012 at 12:24 AM Rating: Decent
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yeah i'm not even going to pretend to know how red mage plays now. I just find it funny at how much of a newb i was when re-reading some of these old posts.
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#504 Jan 09 2012 at 3:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Necro post for a terrible trolling attempt? I can finally use a red arrow!
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#505 Jan 10 2012 at 5:52 PM Rating: Default
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how is it a troll when i'm asking a question that is making fun of how much of a newb i used to be? lol rated down for trolling myself i guess. Glad to see the forum atmosphere hasn't changed at least, i still get rated down no matter what i say :)

in all seriousness though how is rdm melee now? Honestly i always wanted to try it but, back in the day, it _was_ horrible.

Edited, Jan 10th 2012 7:53pm by Smurv
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#506 Jan 11 2012 at 12:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you make an Almace/Baudawhatsitsname and use Chant Du Cygne, RDM is worth a DD slot as any DD is. The problem is most of the game doesn't revolve around pure damage anymore and we only bring a small number of unique procs, and to Voidwatch only.

Without CDC, there's enough gear and levels to make an Evis or Sanguine Blade build workable. There's enough casual friendly material that you can melee all you want now, and it's an acceptable alternative.

Still can't proc worth a ****.
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#507 Jan 12 2012 at 5:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Smurv wrote:
how is it a troll when i'm asking a question that is making fun of how much of a newb i used to be? lol rated down for trolling myself i guess. Glad to see the forum atmosphere hasn't changed at least, i still get rated down no matter what i say :)

in all seriousness though how is rdm melee now? Honestly i always wanted to try it but, back in the day, it _was_ horrible.

Edited, Jan 10th 2012 7:53pm by Smurv


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first time back on these forums in years, sitting here in a wow raid and had some nostalgia.. Sup nub rdm's you guys still meleeing like scrubs?


can't imagine how I would jump to the conclusion you are trying to troll here. Must be my imagination.
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#508 Jan 13 2012 at 4:16 PM Rating: Decent
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jlejeune wrote:
If you make an Almace/Baudawhatsitsname and use Chant Du Cygne, RDM is worth a DD slot as any DD is. The problem is most of the game doesn't revolve around pure damage anymore and we only bring a small number of unique procs, and to Voidwatch only.

Without CDC, there's enough gear and levels to make an Evis or Sanguine Blade build workable. There's enough casual friendly material that you can melee all you want now, and it's an acceptable alternative.

Still can't proc worth a ****.


sounds cool. i'm guessing those items are new relic weapons or something?

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Smurv wrote:
how is it a troll when i'm asking a question that is making fun of how much of a newb i used to be? lol rated down for trolling myself i guess. Glad to see the forum atmosphere hasn't changed at least, i still get rated down no matter what i say :)

in all seriousness though how is rdm melee now? Honestly i always wanted to try it but, back in the day, it _was_ horrible.

Edited, Jan 10th 2012 7:53pm by Smurv


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first time back on these forums in years, sitting here in a wow raid and had some nostalgia.. Sup nub rdm's you guys still meleeing like scrubs?


can't imagine how I would jump to the conclusion you are trying to troll here. Must be my imagination.


i don't know how you could come to that conclusion either. It's called sarcasm. here is a link desribing sarcasm in case you're not aware, however, based on your sarcastic last post i think you have the basics down. There are also some useful tips at recognizing sarcasm on that page! Glad i can help :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
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#509 Jan 13 2012 at 6:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sarcasm tends to work better in text form when you have established a rapport with those you're communicating with. I recall who you are, and even played with you a few times, but very few here will. That said, an out of the blue comment like that certainly reeked more of a personal attack on melee enthusiasts, which is unfortunately too common.
#510 Jan 14 2012 at 10:19 PM Rating: Decent
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jlejeune wrote:
If you make an Almace/Baudawhatsitsname and use Chant Du Cygne, RDM is worth a DD slot as any DD is. The problem is most of the game doesn't revolve around pure damage anymore and we only bring a small number of unique procs, and to Voidwatch only.

Without CDC, there's enough gear and levels to make an Evis or Sanguine Blade build workable. There's enough casual friendly material that you can melee all you want now, and it's an acceptable alternative.

Still can't proc worth a ****.



We got a few unique procs, mostly we stole SCH's thunder. In VWNM when I'm RDM/SCH I tend to work with the BLM's. I do the II~IV and Helix procs, they do the rest, works out pretty well actually. Otherwise we got the Diaga -> Dia II -> Dia III set, the Bio's and then our merit spells.

Few unique spells but we do bring a lot in a combined package and tend to make others proc jobs easier.
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#511 Jan 15 2012 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
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Problem is just about any person can /SCH and not hurt your chances of actually killing the NM. With everyone bringing an alliance (and basically needing an alliance to proc white), you don't need to squeeze every last spell out of one party slot (like BLM/BRD in Abyssea). NMs only take about a party's worth to kill, the rest are largely for procing. BLM/SCH brings the same /SCH spells and a larger chunk of black magic procs. RDM is back to its paltry number of unique spells.

Don't take me wrong, I know how to and do contribute on my RDM. Just it's really not needed and most people don't care.
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#512 Jan 15 2012 at 6:52 PM Rating: Excellent
Smurv, though you may have not intended to make your comment sound like you were trolling, as someone that sees a fair amount of it on a daily basis I can easily see why there are those that thought you were by your post. As mentioned before, sarcasm online doesn't really work well if your target audience doesn't know you very well (if at all), so in the future it'd be best to take something like that into consideration.
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#513 Jan 15 2012 at 7:02 PM Rating: Decent
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thats what i am talking about, im sorry if i missed your inside joke but to me ( a self proclaimed super troll of Zam) it seemed like a troll if it wasn't sorry for jumping to conclusions, if it was, get better material.
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#514 Jan 20 2012 at 11:35 PM Rating: Decent
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no worries, i'm more curious how rdm works now. After being away from XI for so long.
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#515 Jan 21 2012 at 12:55 AM Rating: Default
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well melee is one of the two parts of RDM that is actually decent enough to be invited for, nuking is the other.
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#517 Feb 13 2012 at 2:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Assault Jerkin or Morrigan's are really the only other possibilities depending on the rest of your build. I'd probably lean toward Morrigan's since the auto-refresh can be handy, and it's likely to become an even better piece of gear depending on whatever SE does with Salvage revamps.

Edited, Feb 13th 2012 3:32am by Seriha
#518 Feb 13 2012 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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I hate how few options SE gives us because they never put RDM on meele gear anymore.


With the exception of the body slot (and rings earrings all DD's use) RDM has been put on melee gear in nearly every update since abyssea started. With the exception of Dusk+1 gloves I think my whole set is from either latter tiers of abyssea, or voidwatch. Most of it is on the AH to boot.
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#519 Feb 13 2012 at 10:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Seriha wrote:
Assault Jerkin or Morrigan's are really the only other possibilities depending on the rest of your build. I'd probably lean toward Morrigan's since the auto-refresh can be handy, and it's likely to become an even better piece of gear depending on whatever SE does with Salvage revamps.

Edited, Feb 13th 2012 3:32am by Seriha

ACP Body with DW and Att or Acc is about the best non-haste piece we have right now.
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#521 Feb 14 2012 at 6:32 PM Rating: Default
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What do you mean 'usual good melee gear'? It took until what, level ~97 before we finally got out of dusk gloves? This is more of the same if you ask me.

Edited, Feb 14th 2012 8:33pm by Neisan
#522 Feb 14 2012 at 9:38 PM Rating: Decent
What exactly is it that you fee RDM is missing? I'm pretty happy with the addition of Temper, enspells' progression, Trial Swords, Requiescat, and the moderately easily attainable 26 haste. Sure there's no omg meant for melee pieces with 20 acc/att and 10 str/dex, but were there ever?
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#523 Feb 14 2012 at 11:45 PM Rating: Decent
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The only thing that matters about being a DD is being able to hit the ACC cap (check for RDM) hit the haste cap (check for RDM), and have a good attack value (check for RDM), then follow it up with a solid WS which needs ACC (check for RDM), ATK (check for RDM), and Stat Mods (check for RDM.)

Fact is RDM is capable of attaining all the same "levels" (ie. Usefulness) of gear that other single hand jobs can. We cap haste, acc, can break 600ATK (700 if you want to count Dia), and have access to large amounts of AGI, MND, DEX, STR (our primary WS stats). The only things RDM are missing that true DD's have are abilities like SATA, native DW, etc etc etc.

The only really sh*tty thing about RDM melee options is the limitations on daggers (which provide our best pre Emp WS), and the lack of a solid sword WS before Alamace. That is it.





Edited, Feb 15th 2012 12:52am by rdmcandie
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#524 Feb 16 2012 at 4:57 PM Rating: Default
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Of the single handers not Pld, Bst and the rest of the mages/support either don't have native dual wield or can set native dual wield.

As for filler WS pre Almace Requiescat could have been that but the attack penalty is abit too large on it imo. I would say it needs to be halved at minimum.
#525 Feb 17 2012 at 1:05 PM Rating: Good
The non-elemental characteristic of Req can be nice, you can really mow down slimes or... well that's all that it really came in handy against so far. But man did those slimes pay!

Edited, Feb 17th 2012 11:06am by tertoonetwothreefour
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