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#27 Jun 27 2012 at 4:50 AM Rating: Good
His poison is horrible, so I would suggest taking your whm with you and just be on poisona and stona duty. I have seen a nin/dnc solo it, so it is possible, you just have to pay extra close attn and turn during the petra move. If you go dnc/nin, you can keep shadows up to avoid the poison. You could always amber farm KI, but no matter how many times we did this with our friends Twash, we always ended up with the same KI over and over again and still had to kill some NMs. We decided to go straight NM KI farming when we worked on mine.

I highly suggest having some form of TH when you get to the actual Glavoid kills. I was able to get all 50 of my shells in 26 Glavoids, which saved a lot of time.
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#28 Jun 27 2012 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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Whilst working on this i have decided to make another dagger to use as a sub hand weapon, the two i am torn between are...

DA +11

And..

OA2x (HQ) not the 2-4x version.


I would really appreciate peoples opinions on these daggers now... things to take into account are...

1. I dont usually /war
2. I dont have sabre dance unlocked (happy with my merits as they are)

I was thinking of the DA +11 myself but i dont know often the double attack kicks in with 13% ive currently got in already gear (atheling, twilight, eponas and brutal)...

I do like double attack weapons but i dont know how the OA2x stacks up in comparison to the DA +11.

Any advice or opinions on this would be hugely appreciated please... i am at the part of the trial where i need to 'branch off' and choose my path.

Thankyou.
#29 Jun 27 2012 at 5:46 PM Rating: Excellent
The OaT will kick in more as far as multi-hits than the Double Attack will, but the Double Attack will affect both hands and not just the offhand, not to mention it will also affect weaponskills whereas the OaT won't. Since you're in the process of making a Twashtar, the Double Attack one will arguably do you better in that regard, since that extra DA will mean an increased number of swings of your mainhand, and with your Aftermath up, that'll mean even more chances to do damage with your Aftermath active.

Between those two I'd recommend the Double Attack one for the aforementioned reasons.

Other options for a dagger would be the Aluh Jambiya, which is better than the Strength path Thokcha, and the TP Bonus dagger, which will boost your Rudra's Storm damage quite a bit.
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#30 Jun 27 2012 at 7:58 PM Rating: Good
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Using the DA dagger (mainhand) with a STR Thokcha is competitive with using two STR Thokchas. Either one is going to cost you millions of gil, so it's up to you.
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#31 Jun 28 2012 at 3:10 AM Rating: Good
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Thankyou for the replies.

I know this is going to sound like a silly question but if i was using the DA dagger and i used Rudras storm could the double attack trigger on Rudras?

And would the DA dagger beat the OA2x dagger in regards to DDing overall?

I am mostly inclined to go for the DA at this point (i have got a STR dagger completed already)... but i do like swinging multiple times ever since i first used a joytoy some years ago.



Edited, Jun 28th 2012 5:13am by Danseurfabuleux
#32 Jun 28 2012 at 4:17 AM Rating: Excellent
Danseurfabuleux wrote:
Thankyou for the replies.

I know this is going to sound like a silly question but if i was using the DA dagger and i used Rudras storm could the double attack trigger on Rudras?


Yes, the Double Attack would be able to proc during Rudra's Storm.
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#33 Jun 28 2012 at 6:06 AM Rating: Good
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What kind of DMG increase could that potentially yield?

Assuming a regular Rudras storm by me on dolls in A-Altepa would be say 4000 dmg... what does that mean with a double attack triggering with Rudras storm? would i likely see the increase?

And do you think the DA dagger beats the OA2x HQ dagger in terms of DD and usefulness? (i am only a DNC, i dont play THF)
#34 Jun 28 2012 at 3:07 PM Rating: Excellent
There's a lot of different factors as far as how much a Double Attack would improve the damage. I do feel that the DA dagger would beat the OaT because, as mentioned above, it can proc during weaponskills and it affects both your mainhand and your offhand, which if you have your Aftermath active means more chances for ODD melee swings. The OaT will in turn help you get to 100% TP faster since it has a higher rate of multi-hits than the DA dagger would, but it only affects that offhand and cannot proc during a weaponskill.
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#35 Jun 28 2012 at 3:57 PM Rating: Good
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This guide is typically cited: http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27566/the-last-dance-gearing-paradigms-for-a-new-age/

If I was making daggers for Dancer and didn't have any reasonable expectation of taking Twashtar to 99, I'd use Aluh Jambiya/Fire Thokcha and call it a day. That's the cheapest and easiest dagger combination, and it's roughly equivalent to any of the other attainable options short of 99 Twashtar or Terpsichore.
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#36 Jun 30 2012 at 12:42 PM Rating: Good
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Thankyou for the reply.

I seem to have hit a stumbling block with Alectryon, i am duoing with another player, she is on as MNK/NIN and i am on as RDM/WHM, she has got the KI and i have not... here is what we are doing...

I am trading the popset to the ??? by the tree, and when Alectryon pops the MNK chi-blasts off me and we run to our camp... we then basically kill it with her meleeing it down with me casting poisona, stona, cure 4, haste etc... and also dia 3, paralyse 2, slow etc... she then kills the **** and no KI for me... we have had this happen twice in a row now and are confused why?

So to save wasting time farming Alectryon popsets i would like to know if its just bad luck or not?

#37 Jun 30 2012 at 2:52 PM Rating: Good
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You need to trigger Red in order to make the Key Item a (near) 100% drop: http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Abyssea#Red
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#38 Jul 01 2012 at 3:25 AM Rating: Good
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Can either a SMN or PUP solo Glavoid?

I did read on wiki that a PUP solo'd it but its the only example ive seen, and i dont know if its the exception ratehr than the rule.

What do you think? or know or have heard about SMN or PUP soloing Glavoid?
#39 Jul 01 2012 at 5:08 AM Rating: Good
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PUP might have been able to solo it back when Phalanx negated Disgorge, but they patched that. I kinda doubt it could solo it now. Summoner might be able to solo it, but they'd have difficulty killing it before the rage timer went off. It'd probably get stolen.
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#40 Jul 01 2012 at 5:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Phalanx negated Disgorge


Why the **** wasn't this widely known and broadcasted news back when it still worked? -_-
#41 Jul 01 2012 at 5:57 AM Rating: Good
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I never broadcasted it because I never tried it and couldn't vouch for it. The people on FFXIAH talked about it sometimes, though.
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#42 Jul 01 2012 at 6:07 AM Rating: Good
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Is there any realistic way any job can solo Glavoid?

From the videos ive watched its all about gorge?

Is there any way (solo) to be able to 'eat' a gorge if stun failed? How much earth resist would be needed from atmas and equip?


Edited, Jul 1st 2012 8:10am by Danseurfabuleux
#43 Jul 01 2012 at 7:18 AM Rating: Good
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I've never seen a resisted Disgorge (except for when BRD AF3+2 was broken and would negate it 100% of the time with Earth Carol II up). Stacking resist for that is a waste of time, though it will help with Stone nukes and Slowga.

NIN/DNC can solo Glavoid. You use Migawari to negate Disgorge. If Miga isn't up, turn around. Don't cast Miga with Slow up.
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#44 Jul 01 2012 at 3:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, NIN is the most reasonable way I could see it being soloed. Attack it carefully and always keep an eye on your remaining Migawari duration.
#45 Jul 01 2012 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
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As luck would have it ive had a level 81 NIN for a very long time (did not originally level it in abyssea but played it 'properly' in CoP and ToAU areas... i have today jumped into an aby PT and took it to 99... will get used to playing it now, its been a long time since i used it and many things have been added to the job.
#46 Jul 03 2012 at 4:51 AM Rating: Good
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Another silly question perhaps.

Assuming ive got the DA dagger which at level 99 is (i believe) delay 211 and DMG 48, would i main hand that and off-hand a Twashtar when i get one?

Does the ODD still kick in when if off-handed? and is Rudras storm still unlocked if off-handed?



Edited, Jul 3rd 2012 6:55am by Danseurfabuleux
#47 Jul 03 2012 at 5:36 AM Rating: Good
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I hinted at it before, but a STR Thokcha is better than a level 90 Twashtar (let alone 85) overall. If you have a STR Thokcha and 99 DA dagger and you make an 85 Twashtar, the correct choice is to keep the Twashtar in storage until you have it at 95 or higher. Sorry, but that's just how the level 99 stats play out.
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#48 Jul 07 2012 at 4:30 PM Rating: Good
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Thankyou again... i do have a STR lvl 99 dagger but havnt really used it alot for some reason, i think that i just dont really see any damage numbers increase when using it and when not using it, so i just didnt really fall in love with it.

As an update i am now on 27/50 Glavoid shells but i am yet to start Itzpapalotl... and this is now where my direction of questions will be heading (as i have found a way to do Glavoid).

I did post a question on the SMN board asking about SMN soloing Itzpapalotl and the feedback i got was that it could be done, but i am hesitant to waste a pop set to test myself... so i would like to ask please...

Would a DNC be very safe to solo Itzpapalotl or should i stick with trying SMN? is there anything that he does that i should be really aware of and prepare for?

I am nervous about the unknown, any advice or help regarding job choice and Itzpapalotl would be massively appreciate please... I am a little worried of not knowing where to pull him to to fight him and also popping it and getting any agro or links.

Thankyou.




Edited, Jul 7th 2012 7:11pm by Danseurfabuleux
#49 Jul 12 2012 at 3:25 AM Rating: Good
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50/50 Glavoid shells.

Now for Itzapapalotl... can DNC solo this? if so, any specific atmas to use or anything to be wary of and preapre for?
#50 Jul 12 2012 at 4:51 AM Rating: Good
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Fire Break can do a lot of damage. You probably can't resist it no matter what you do, so maybe just use Sanguine Scythe and call it good enough. The hardest part of Itz farming is Tunga.

Tunga has three "modes", quasi-chainspell, Chainspell, and normal. He will use chainspell at 75%, 50%, and 25%. If he starts in quasi-chainspell mode, he will go back to normal mode after the first chainspell. Pull him, use fool's if he's in quasi-chainspell mode. Get him down fast, and use Violent Flourish+WS to pass 75%, 50%, and 25% boundaries. If you do this, he will never Chainspell. That's about it! The other option is to just gold box farm.
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#51 Jul 12 2012 at 5:16 AM Rating: Good
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Would i be able to resist fire break with atmas of the future fabulous and the fire resist 100 atma of the brother wolf?

Or is that still not enough?

Failing that i think youre right with HP atma perhaps.

I cant find any mention anywhere of any DNC soloing Itzapapalotl... i am sure many must have done so or at least tried to.

Edited, Jul 12th 2012 7:23am by Danseurfabuleux
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