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#1 Jul 29 2011 at 7:03 PM Rating: Decent
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I know according to wiki it occasionally doubles damage while samba is up...but does that include all forms of damage? (whether regular attack and weapon skills?) How often does it occur?

I just got Charis Tiara +2 which made me full AF3 +2 so i thought I'd ask...

Edited, Jul 29th 2011 9:07pm by Darkzeru
#2 Jul 30 2011 at 12:22 AM Rating: Decent
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"Double damage during samba" is already activated when you're using at least 2 pieces. And it increases 1% each time you add another pieces.
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#3 Jul 30 2011 at 5:40 AM Rating: Default
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I am really confused by all this.

What do you mean it doubles damage?

I am at 4/5 +2 pieces so i cant check, do you need all 5/5 before it starts to activate?

Info seems really scarce on this.
#4 Jul 30 2011 at 5:53 AM Rating: Good
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Danseurfabuleux wrote:
I am really confused by all this.

What do you mean it doubles damage?

I am at 4/5 +2 pieces so i cant check, do you need all 5/5 before it starts to activate?

Info seems really scarce on this.

Let's say 1 of your swing suppose to damage the enemy for 200 damage. Now the effect proc'd. Then your damage becomes 400. Nothing tricky, right?

You can have the effect as soon as you get your first +2 pair (2% chance to deal double damage when using samba) and if you use 3 pieces, it'll be 3% and so on until you got 5/5 -> 5% chance to deal double damage during samba.
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#5 Jul 30 2011 at 6:11 AM Rating: Good
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Ok i am following that now thankyou.

Can it be either drain samba or haste samba?

How about a crit hit? if i would usually crit for 150 and the augment triggered would that crut land for 300? (as an example)
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Danseurfabuleux wrote:
Ok i am following that now thankyou.

Can it be either drain samba or haste samba?

How about a crit hit? if i would usually crit for 150 and the augment triggered would that crut land for 300? (as an example)


Any Samba works.
Works with crits also.
I'm unsure if it works with WS, but would doubt it (hard to notice on multi-hit WS)
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Danseurfabuleux wrote:

How about a crit hit? if i would usually crit for 150 and the augment triggered would that crut land for 300? (as an example)

Yes

I remembered had 400+ crit on Vunkerl bats. That's impossible for D43 Knife even with Piercing Bonus and RR's crit+ bonus
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#8 Jul 30 2011 at 8:55 AM Rating: Good
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It also stacks with Twashtar's Aftermath for up to 4x damage on a swing. 1000+ damage dagger crits are funny. Tests on other sets have shown that they probably don't work on WS, but I don't know that any testing has been done on the DNC set.

Typically, people think the aftermath rates are:
0% -> 1% -> 2% -> 3% -> 5%
with 1/2/3/4/5 pieces respectively.
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#9 Jul 30 2011 at 9:31 AM Rating: Default
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Sorry for so many questions on a thread that is not even mine...

I guess the 64,000 dollar question is does it stack for the whole party or is it single use only?
#10 Jul 30 2011 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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I doubt it's affecting PT member.
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#11 Aug 06 2011 at 10:25 AM Rating: Decent
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doctorugh wrote:
Works with crits also.
I'm unsure if it works with WS, but would doubt it (hard to notice on multi-hit WS)

OK, I'm just done with solo KI farming in Misareaux.

One time I did 3.3k evisc on Manohra, it gave me 12 TP return
and next 2 birds after I got 3.1k evisc with 17 TP return.

Now my WS gear only has 21 store TP total during WS (i.e. coefficient = 1.2)
and have a total of +40 DW (traits, +2 body), which brings my dual Kila +2 TP per hit to 3.7 TP*1.2 (STP) = 4.5 TP/hit),

So 12 TP return is actually just come from main + offhand + 3 hits landed. Yet, that is the highest Evisc I got that night on Frigatebird. I think it's very likely AF3 +2 effect can proc in WS.
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#12 Aug 06 2011 at 1:40 PM Rating: Good
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Well, TP returns on Dancer aren't very meaningful because of Conserve TP.

Next, 12 TP can be a missed offhand +DAs. Could just be 7 hits.
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#13 Aug 06 2011 at 4:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Probably need to test on a one hit WS like circle blade, flat blade, viperbite while wielding one weapon to know for sure.
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#14 Aug 06 2011 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, with no DA or TA gear. Kirschy apparently tried a lot of WSs with the DRK set and never got one to double.
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Byrthnoth wrote:
Yeah, with no DA or TA gear. Kirschy apparently tried a lot of WSs with the DRK set and never got one to double.


I have never seen any double damage procs during WSs at 4/5 +2. All of my WS damage can be easily explained w/ the known damage formula.

The questions still stand, however,:

1: Does the DNC need to have samba activated on himself or simply strike a mob w/ a samba daze on it?

If the latter is true, then:

2: Does the DNC using the samba need to have +2 set bonus?

And:

3: Can the +2 set bonus proc for other melees as well?
#16 Sep 30 2011 at 2:11 AM Rating: Good
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I was just wondering if I should use the head +2 given that I'm using the hands +2 and feet +2 in my WS set. My other option is Gnadbhod's Helm. I figured I should use the AF+2 head, but if it doesn't work during WS, then maybe not.
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#17 Sep 30 2011 at 7:09 AM Rating: Decent
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NatePrawdzik wrote:
I was just wondering if I should use the head +2 given that I'm using the hands +2 and feet +2 in my WS set. My other option is Gnadbhod's Helm. I figured I should use the AF+2 head, but if it doesn't work during WS, then maybe not.
All I'm sure there are better option, I use Aias Bonnet during ws (example evisceration)
The haste isn't doing much for you while WS and although acc 8 att 8 DTP 7 is nice, I'd prefer STR+8 DEX+8(ws mod) Accuracy+5.



Of course I'm just speaking out of personal experience I'm sure other who know the deeper math of it could tell you what the's best for that.
#18 Sep 30 2011 at 10:47 AM Rating: Excellent
Unless I'm mistaken, the Climactic Flourish boost from the Charis Tiara +1/2 requires keeping the Tiara on during the weaponskill, and since it's a considerable critical hit damage boost alongside the extra forced critical hit swing, it's very likely the best head piece to use when stacking a weaponskill with Climactic.

If you're not using Climactic Flourish though with the weaponskill, then you won't want to use the Charis Tiara for weaponskills, since there are several other headpieces that will do you better.
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#19 Sep 30 2011 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
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I'm pretty sure he was asking based on the misunderstanding that sets can proc during WS.

Sets can't proc during WS, so there's no reason to wear Charis Tiara during WS.
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#20 Oct 02 2011 at 12:36 AM Rating: Good
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I was asking to be sure that it doesn't proc during WS. Thank you for the replies! The only flourish I'm using (other than Violent) is Reverse.

I had forgotten Aias Bonnet. I'll try for one, but in the meantime Gnadbhod's helm seems like the item of choice.

Edited, Oct 1st 2011 11:37pm by NatePrawdzik
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