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#1 Jul 15 2011 at 3:34 AM Rating: Good
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I want to farm some WOE weapons(katana, H2H and dagger) and I need some advice.

I plan to dual box it, one of my character has THF/DNC/WHM/BLM/(leveling NIN now),
the other has MNK/WHM.

I have never done WOE before, should I duo crabs? Also what job combo would be best?
Any other tips?

Also I read somewhere that WOE will be nerfed for low-manning soon, how is that?
#2 Jul 15 2011 at 3:48 AM Rating: Good
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How do I delete this? I meant to put in in the general section.
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You can't. But I wouldn't mind seeing this thread get some love from the DNCs. I've been thinking of trying to solo a Daka on DNC. Is this possible? Any tips?
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WoE can be pretty tough by yourself. I think vertical conflux 3 is the best for solo/duo. I've seen a lot of nin/dnc soloing or duoing that one.

It's been months since I've been in WoE, but if I recall correctly, vertical conflux 2 is terrible for solo or low-man, but great if you're running with others. You can't fight slimes by themselves except for the ones that are immune to physical damage. It's set up so that you basically have to sac pull the slimes away while someone tags the NM and pulls it to group.

Also, (and again, it's been months, so take everything I say with a grain of salt) I think vertical conflux 3 has antlions which are fairly easy as far as WoE mobs go. I think the only hard thing about them is that they have a petrify tp move that they might use. I only did crabs once or twice and I don't remember what they are like. It's honestly been too long. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.
#5 Jul 17 2011 at 11:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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I just posted this in answer to a question on the THF forum.



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In my experience, THF is a poor job to solo WoE with. I've tried with THF, I've tried with NIN, I've tried with DNC, I've tried with BST. THF was actually the slowest to kill anything out of those jobs and I did not notice any increase at all in coin drops from TH. In fact I got far less coins due to the fact that THF is so effing slow at killing anything in there. DNC with the ability to self darkness every 30 seconds tore things up, but THF was, unfortunately, rather useless for soloing walk of echoes.

For you, I would suggest trying again as NIN/DNC or if you don't have that NIN/WHM with a stack of echos to remove silence. Gear up for evasion, macro in haste for utsusemi, and you should be good to clear out at least half to maybe 3/4 of a zone solo, team up with one other person and you can usually clear everything except the bosses in most zones.

Conflux 1 and conflux 3 will probably be your best bets unless you team up with a group. Conflux 1 is crabs, the trick to that one is that when you kill a crab a few others come running to where it dies, so kill then move and pick off the crabs as they run toward where you killed the last one. Conflux 3 is antlions, fight them on the stairs, but be sure to kill them at the bottom of the stairs because one or two will come to investigate the dead antlion before moving on, watch out for poison, it's pretty potent, and silence. The albino Antlions will cast break on you at low HP if you're moving away from them to drag them to the bottom of the stairs for the kill so make sure that you have shadows up for that or you could be pretty screwed. also, make sure you have plentiful reraise items because you probably will die quite a few times, but don't let that discourage you, just get back up, wait out weakness and get back to it. you don't lose xp in WoE.

I'm not sure from your post whether you think it's once an earth day or once a game day to enter walk of echoes, but it's only once a game day, starting at 0:00 rather than when you entered last. normally, if you spend the entire 45 mins in a zone you dont have to wait at all to enter another. there is a 30 min cooldown on zones once you leave them, so I usually just bounce from conflux 1 to conflux 3 and back again. That way you basically can just do it continuously for as long as you want.

I wasn't after a dagger when I did WoE, i was after a sword, but I did get 30 birth coins at about the same time i got 30 glory coins so I ended up making a dagger as well. In my experience ruin and decay coins are the most common, and advancement the least common, birth and glory are somewhere in the middle. You'll have a lot of frustration with birth coins not dropping, but don't let it get you down, you'll get them eventually, especially if you can team up with a group going for wins, score in the top 5 and you'll have a chance at pouches with 2-12 coins in them. It took me about a week of 3-4 hrs per day to get my 30 birth and glory coins. It's not going to be quick. It will be horribly time consuming to solo them all. However, for someone in your situation, it is much more doable than a twashtar.

having a Daka +2 I can tell you that without the aftermath THF doesn't have much use for Rudra's Storm inside abyssea. It can do respectable numbers when teamed up with SA TA and AC, but evisceration will usually do much better damage, the 47 base damage is nice for DD purposes though. DNC can get some pretty big numbers out of it through their JAs, one of which was just updated to make it a more feasible WS to use, however, still Evisceration is the better WS to use. Outside of abyssea however, it can surpass dancing edge and evisceration as your biggest damage dealer if you know how to use it and stack it with your JAs. I think you'll find that, while not mindblowingly awesome like other empyrean WSs, it's still fun to mess around with, and in the right circumstances outside of abyssea Rudra's Storm can be your hardest hitter, and the base damage on the dagger is really hard to beat.

Keep at it, don't get frustrated and quit. You'll never get anywhere if you give up now.


I found that DNC can solo very effectively without the use of a helper. Self darkness really tears the **** out of mobs, and you can quickly rape your way through them. Just keep bouncing between 1 and 3 and you can keep going almost continuously without waiting on any cooldowns. Try to team up with a group clearing 2 if you can, because the pouches from wins are a much faster way of getting your coins. Most importantly don't get frustrated and give up, or you'll never get anywhere.

2x eva kilas were pretty much all the evasion gear that I needed, so the rest of my gear was for speed and damage. THe only time i found fan dance necessary was when I had 3-4 mobs on me at once, otherwise i was able to keep shadows up and haste samba on for quick kills. when fighting a single mob I found I could even use saber dance most of the time because I was taking so little damage.

Edit: typo


Edited, Jul 17th 2011 11:34am by sevynwarr
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#6 Jul 17 2011 at 11:54 AM Rating: Good
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Outstanding. Very informative. I'm gunna rock this later today and see how well I do.
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#7 Jul 17 2011 at 2:45 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for all the useful information. I have 2 EVA kilas so I will use those along with my AF3+1 set.
One thing though, you mentioned how well the darkness chains worked, I don't have any Mythic WSes.
What would be the next best thing, evis > SB?

Taken that into account should I still go with DNC and WHM or should I wait for my NIN to reach 90 so
I can NIN and WHM it?
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Why is there some conflicting information that DNC will find DEX Kila useful in WoE due to evasive mob.
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#9 Jul 20 2011 at 2:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for all the useful information. I have 2 EVA kilas so I will use those along with my AF3+1 set.
One thing though, you mentioned how well the darkness chains worked, I don't have any Mythic WSes.
What would be the next best thing, evis > SB?

Taken that into account should I still go with DNC and WHM or should I wait for my NIN to reach 90 so
I can NIN and WHM it?


TBH i didn't even know that evis+SB made darkness. I was doing PK+evis. I dont think i've ever even used SB on DNC before so I couldn't say how effective or damaging it would be. if that does, indeed make darkness, maybe open with SB and close with evis. Or you could try wild flourish and building flourish with DE instead of doing darkness.

DNC will usually outdo NIN for dmg and survivability in WoE in my experience, that was a quote from a post i made to someone that didn't have DNC lvled. you can solo as DNC effectively, you don't need to bring a second person, however, if you'd like the extra security of having a WHM with you, go for it.

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Why is there some conflicting information that DNC will find DEX Kila useful in WoE due to evasive mob.


Honestly i don't know. I don't have a dex kila and i don't plan to ever make one because i consider it to be a bit overkill on acc for the things i typically use DNC for. I had no acc problems at all with my 2 eva kilas and my normal DD TP gear, and i ate meat for dmg. I didn't parse, but a guess on eyeballing I'd say my acc was over 90%. I would think that the ability to use all of my haste/DW/etc gear over gearing up for evasion with 2x eva kilas would outweigh any gain that you got by using a dex kila.
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#10 Jul 22 2011 at 6:02 PM Rating: Good
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I don't think I understand this event. I went in and killed seven crabs. Crabs kept showing up every time I'd kill one and I hid and dodges best I could, but after seven kills I was pretty surrounded. I tried to take on a group of three and got nuked to death, then tried to take on a big one and also died. Nothing dropped the entire time.

What am I missing here?
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#11 Jul 23 2011 at 6:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Coin drops are frustratingly rare sometimes, but don't let it frustrate you to the point of giving up, they do drop, just not very often most of the time. This is not meant to be an easy or fast thing to do. Some people even complain that making a full empyrean weapon is faster and easier than a WoE weapon, it really depends on your reasources and how much time and effort you're willing to devote to it. It's supposed to be hard and time consuming, some of these WSs are godly powerful, and they want you to work for them. You can probably expect 1-2 coins on any given run, maybe 3-4 if you're lucky. And there's nothing to say that any of those coins will be the ones that you need.

In conflux 1 the big crabs will likely rape the **** out of you, so try to avoid them. When you kill a crab usually 1-2 will come running and stay where you killed it, sometimes more, sometimes none. If you get into a situation where you have links or are forced to fight more than one, always fight damask crabs first because their -ga spells are easily interupted by melee attacks and can wipe your shadows. What I did in this situation was fight the damasks first with fan dance up and focused more on keeping myself alive than on killing quickly until I had the crabs down to a more manageable number. As for boxing yourself in, that's something you have to watch out for. Try doing something like this, kill the one crab that's on the lower level and run over to the conflux, grab one of the crabs as it comes down to investigate. If there's only one, kill it in the same place, if there's more than one, kill it at the conflux then go kill the other where you killed the first, rinse and repeat. If a big crab, or a large group comes running, you can also kill in the bushes to the left of the conflux to avoid them. If no more crabs come running, move up to the second level. There may be 1-4 on the stairs, kill them if you can, if you can't you might as well leave because there's not much else you'll be able to do. On the second level I used the stairs going down to the first level where you come in and the broken staircase to the right of the stairs for places to kill and ran between them when the crabs died to wait and see if anything ran toward them. One thing you can do if you get boxed in is aggro most or all of the crabs and let them kill you. They'll reset to their original positions and you can RR, recover and kill the one(s) you left.

Of course, you CAN also try conflux 3, which IS an easier zone to do, with squishier mobs that do not stay where you killed the last one if they come running, they'll simply come to investigate and them move on about their wanderings.

Remember, this is an event that was meant to be done with large groups of people at 75, it may be easily soloable for the most part at 90, but it's still going to have some difficulty to it. You're not going to walk away with your 30 coins after a hour or two. It's going to take you something like 40-50 runs or more to accumulate your 30 coins if you do them all solo. I'm sorry if I gave the impression that you'd be done with little effort in a matter of hours. It will take long LONG hours, a lot of work, and probably many deaths to get this done unless you team up with a group going after zone clears.

Edit: spelling

Edited, Jul 24th 2011 2:17am by sevynwarr
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