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#1 Jun 26 2011 at 6:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Traditionally I have it set as:
2/5 Saber Dance
3/5 Fan Dance
5/5 Closed Position.

Now CP should be left alone (or so I think) but SD I don't even use much anymore so I figured put them into No Foot Rise.... what would you recommend? As far as a balance Group 2 (taking Saber dance out the picture)
#2 Jun 26 2011 at 7:21 PM Rating: Good
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I swear it seems like this question pops up all the time now...

G2 merits are pretty subjective...you really can't go wrong with a certain set as long as you're using them accordingly.

Right now I'm using 4/5 FD and 5/5 NFR merits solely for VNM trials. Being able to prime TP and FMs while running around tracking down VNMs across several zones is working out well for me atm. Once I am done with this phase, I'll switch them to another configuration as needed.

Really...just do what works for you...
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#3 Jun 29 2011 at 12:12 AM Rating: Decent
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I use as a tank/solo dnc:

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5/5 fan
1/5 saber
4/5 closed

and am pretty satisfied.

I don't see going 5/5 closed position as worth the last merit in fan dance, or the first merit in saber.
#4 Jun 29 2011 at 7:59 AM Rating: Decent
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I always liked 3/5 Fan Dance, 2/5 Saber Dance, 5/5 No Foot rise as an overall useful build. Can't bring myself to put merits into Closed Position due to the fact that accuracy and evasion can be improved through gear easily. This setup allows for tanking, extra dd, and a 3min free FM or FM>TP boost for that extra cure or weaponskill right away. My only thought though its how much it hurts not to have closed position for solo/tank overall.

Edited, Jun 29th 2011 10:00am by Silvra
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#5 Jun 29 2011 at 10:48 AM Rating: Good
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Needless to say, there's no real consensus, and DNC is like the one job where that's true. I think that's sort of nifty.

The only things that can be said are at least 1 in Saber and 1 in Fan. If you don't have both of those I think you're missing out.
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#6 Jun 29 2011 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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My opinion has always been that more than 1/5 Fan Dance is a waste of space. I'm always either in a situation where I almost never get hit (in which case 1/5 Fan Dance is sufficient) or get hit a lot (in which case 5/5 Fan Dance wouldn't be a substantial difference). Third case would be, "situations where it doesn't matter whether I get hit," which is basically all of Abyssea.

1/5 Fan Dance, 2/5 Saber Dance, 2/5 No Foot Rise, 5/5 Closed Position

The only reason I'll change these is if SE increases the limit for Tier 2 merits, in which case I'll probably cap No Foot Rise and dump the rest into Saber Dance.



I do use my 1/5 Fan Dance (and a PDT set) when pulling for Aeolian Edge. By the way, if you guys don't have a PDT set, I recommend you make one. I had all the gear forever but never macroed it, and wow does it make a difference when pulling. You're evasion capped anyway, so an extra 20~30% PDT is just gravy. I had a hybrid PDT/MDT set when pulling Tonberries in Konschtat to test the Rancor Collar, and I could pull all the Tonberries at once (including Lieje) without running out of TP.
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#7 Jul 01 2011 at 12:02 AM Rating: Decent
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As you can see from the variety of replies, it really is a subjective topic and heavily dependent on your play style.

If for some reason I am playing my DNC for missions or Aby content, I often find myself off-tanking if something bad happens to the tank, or if there is no tank to begin with. Most of the tanks I work with are Tarus, so their HP is naturally on the low-end and one nicely timed TP move can sometimes kill them in one hit. Fan Dance also has a lot of use when it comes to mobs with really powerful physical TP moves that I know I will need to mitigate if for some reason they eat throw my shadows. I have Fan Dance a full 5/5 because resetting the -pdt % ASAP is very useful for ME (and maybe not others).

However, if you find yourself being called into more damage dealing roles, Saber Dance will probably be more beneficial to you. I personally have one merit point in Saber Dance because it is superb but I usually am required to throw in additional heals every now and then, and constantly canceling saber dance is just not worth it to ME.

Probably the most controversial merits is No Foot Rise, which I have 3/5 merits put in. I personally cannot find the nerve to let go of the instant TP it provides. Many will argue 2/5 at MOST, since Presto+Step will put you at 5 finishing moves, but I prefer three simply because it gives more TP. With Reverse Flourish fully merited and +1 Charis Hands I get roughly 52TP, which is enough TP for a quick Curing Waltz III. Being able to do this has been very priceless to me. Also, many BCNM battles/missions will not wipe finishing moves upon entering, so using No Foot Rise twice before entering will allow you to instantly reverse flourish with 5 finishing moves before engaging the enemy. It's extremely useful to me, but if you don't think it sounds that great then obviously it is not the merit for you.

I don't have much to comment on closed position but I do have two points put in it.

The best advice anyone could give you is to pick what you THINK may be useful, and then go use it and decide for yourself. Merit points are so easy to get these days that experimentation should be encouraged, in my opinion.

Edited, Jul 1st 2011 2:11am by Tandava
#8 Jul 01 2011 at 1:23 AM Rating: Decent
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1 Saber Dance
1 Fan Dance
3 NFR
5 Closed Position

This is from 2009, and I don't see why I should change any.
The couple small increase I can get from 1 point on NFR to saber dance and fan dance won't change the game by much.
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