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#1 Oct 13 2010 at 9:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I left the game a long time ago, basically run out by people who always laughed and mocked me for playing a 'worthless class'. I tried working hard to improve my DNC at 75, but I didn't want to level up SAM or BRD just to Merit. They just said, "Tough, just leave then." - So I did. Has things changed? Where is a good haven for Dancers? T.T
#2 Oct 13 2010 at 11:34 PM Rating: Decent
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For the most part there seems to have been a paradeim shift in thought as to the dancer class. No longer is it considered a worthless job, but is now sought after in zergs, as well as xp situations, mainly because of Abyssea.

While DNC has always been an excellent class, it has really come into its own with the new abilities, and subjob options, post 75, and with native dual wield.

I think Lakshmi is pretty open to DCN's, or at least it was when I was leveling before the cap got raised beyond 75.

Edited, Oct 14th 2010 1:35am by SeraphrimLakshmi
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#3 Oct 14 2010 at 12:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Dancers are sought after? Surely you are joking me? It's always been my dream in FFXI to actually be sought after! O.o
#4 Oct 14 2010 at 12:30 AM Rating: Decent
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These days so long as you've got an assist, puller and a few mages people just look for bodies to fill an xp alliance with, they don't really care what job you are so long as you can hit things and/or support those who are hitting things. Makes for a lot of fail usually, as all the campaign gimps have sloathed their way out from under their stones into abyssea, but at 30+k p/hr with minimal effort no one really seems to care much about it. Even a bad abyssea alliance is lightyears ahead of the best pre-abyssea xp pt. DNC works well in an abyssea alliance, but then again, so does everything else. You can heal if needed, pull if needed, be main assist if needed, add an extra 10% delay redction to melees in your pt, and do respectable, if not exactly spectacular, DD (unless you're a complete idiot that doesn't understand how the job works anyway) I would think that any server would be receptive these days, I've actually been asked to come as DNC to NMs in abyssea more often than other jobs lately, but then again, my DNC is pretty pimped out and I am reaonably good at playing it in several different roles. DNC can also solo several of the visions NMs with easy, haven't tried any in scars yet.
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#5 Oct 14 2010 at 6:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Okay, when I played I DNC I would mainly go as Healer & Tank. Of course I didn't tank much, but I used to play White Mage so healing was my nitch. I was annoyed with DNC back in the day because I couldn't heal anyone in the alliance. As much as I wanted to be a full time healer like a WHM, not being an alliance healer SERIOUSLY gimped me. I read somewhere that DNCs can now heal in alliance (yay) and also -do- get a lot of activity in Abyssea.

So, where can I learn the ebst role of how to perform in Abyssea if I can't played the game in over a year?
#6 Oct 14 2010 at 7:30 AM Rating: Good
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DNC can heal across an alliance now, sure, though the other big reason you'd want one in your group, Haste Samba, only affects your party.

It's less a matter of server, and more a matter of different players on it. There still aren't an overwhelming majority that'd stress having a DNC, though really it seems to be the more knowledgeable players that'd push for one as part of their setup (in addition to a BRD, COR, secondary healer, and so on). 'course, those same folks will be the same ones that'd completely ignore the job if it's not useful in the strategy, and to a point, rightfully so. It's not a useful job in a kited fight or whatnot.
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#7 Oct 14 2010 at 7:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Well don't toy with me.

Is Abyssea 90% Kited fights or what?

I want to know if I should actually re-enroll in the game. I don't want to be all excited and think 'Yay people want a DNC now' and then get constantly denied because they all want to run Kited-Battles.
#8 Oct 14 2010 at 8:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Depends on what you're fighting and (potentially) how many people you're fighting it with and/or what strategy they are using. If you've in a trio with a couple RDMs ping pong'ing a mob between them with nukes, you're gonna be pretty friggin' useless. An alliance might fight the same mob with a melee party and you'd be quite handy.

There are NMs that have extremely potent, undispellable spikes effects. There are ones that have "aura" based enfeebling effects. You've got others that you'll heal 'em if you melee while they're not casting or vice versa. ****, there some you can't even hit most of the time. There are still plenty that you can melee n' all, but it's situational.

Just being realistic about it. DNC has been improved quite a bit, Abyssea XP/chest farming alliances are a lot less selective (and even "need" to include things like nuking jobs), but like nearly any job in this game, you will still benefit by complementing it with another job or three.
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#9 Oct 25 2010 at 3:58 PM Rating: Decent
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DNC is actually not that bad of a kiter, IMO. It can throw heals without having to stop to cast, it has Fan Dance which will allow you to take a few hits safely when your shadows fail you, it has one of the easiest +movement gears in the game to obtain in the form of Tandava Crackows, blah blah blah...

I don't know about everyone else, but when it comes to my friends, I think I've done a decent job at making them appreciate a DNC.
#10 Oct 25 2010 at 7:53 PM Rating: Good
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Movement speed is one thing, sustained ability to gain TP whilst kiting is another. If you're just trying to get the mob on you so that you can kite it for a period of time, that'd work. You wouldn't be likely to be keep hate off of actual damage being done.
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#11 Oct 25 2010 at 9:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Movement speed is one thing, sustained ability to gain TP whilst kiting is another.


DNC does that a lot better than most other kiters, too, and the movement speed just makes that easier.

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You wouldn't be likely to be keep hate off of actual damage being done.


I keep hate better than most "tanks" once I get a chance to generate it, actually. Divine Waltz II is pretty boss.

Also, when it comes to kiting something, it's really not necessary for one person to keep hate all of the time, anyway. In fact, it usually isn't even ideal. Hate shifts usually mean the mob spends more time running inbetween targets and not hitting anything.
#12 Oct 25 2010 at 11:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also, when it comes to kiting something, it's really not necessary for one person to keep hate all of the time, anyway. In fact, it usually isn't even ideal. Hate shifts usually mean the mob spends more time running inbetween targets and not hitting anything.


Certainly. But if, say, you're bouncing a mob between mages, how are you planning to be keeping hate on DNC? Maybe with initial TP, the occasional NFR, that sort if thing - but past that you really have a lack of ability to use the tools you have. Mages nuke past you on hate, or even RNGs shoot past your hate, and then what? You go TP on some other mob and use cure cheats, or hope someone gets hit?

It'd make a lot more sense to be on a job that could be bouncing hate via damage, and thus help the NM get killed faster to boot.

Melee'd fights are a different ballgame. MNK/NIN is a great tank for a lot of fights, but they'd suck for kited ones too. There are situations where DNC can tank nicely. Kiting just isn't really one of them.
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#13 Oct 26 2010 at 7:24 AM Rating: Good
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I keep hate better than most "tanks" once I get a chance to generate it, actually. Divine Waltz II is pretty boss.


Definitely agree with this...once the opportunity arises and damage is flying around, DW2 is a **** good means of control
...unfortunately you have to let things escalate that badly in order to implement that method...and in my experience that usually means your party is doinitwrong...
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#14 Oct 26 2010 at 7:27 PM Rating: Default
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Certainly. But if, say, you're bouncing a mob between mages, how are you planning to be keeping hate on DNC? Maybe with initial TP, the occasional NFR, that sort if thing - but past that you really have a lack of ability to use the tools you have. Mages nuke past you on hate, or even RNGs shoot past your hate, and then what? You go TP on some other mob and use cure cheats, or hope someone gets hit?

It'd make a lot more sense to be on a job that could be bouncing hate via damage, and thus help the NM get killed faster to boot.

Melee'd fights are a different ballgame. MNK/NIN is a great tank for a lot of fights, but they'd suck for kited ones too. There are situations where DNC can tank nicely. Kiting just isn't really one of them.


Well if you're planning to bounce hate between mages, then yeah, you might as well be a mage yourself. That isn't how I usually fight things, though. Still, I handle most kites just fine. Don't assume that it does a bad job at it just because you can't make it work somehow.

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Definitely agree with this...once the opportunity arises and damage is flying around, DW2 is a **** good means of control
...unfortunately you have to let things escalate that badly in order to implement that method...and in my experience that usually means your party is doinitwrong...


It's really not that hard. Most of the toughest mobs have these painful things called AoE attacks. While most healers might view them as an annoyance, I view them as easy hate.
#15 Oct 27 2010 at 7:30 AM Rating: Good
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Well if you're planning to bounce hate between mages, then yeah, you might as well be a mage yourself. That isn't how I usually fight things, though. Still, I handle most kites just fine. Don't assume that it does a bad job at it just because you can't make it work somehow.


So how do you use it for kiting that completely justifies the use of DNC over nearly any other job? 'cause it sure sounds to me like you're saying you don't kite, but that DNC works for kiting.


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It's really not that hard. Most of the toughest mobs have these painful things called AoE attacks. While most healers might view them as an annoyance, I view them as easy hate.


Kind of depends on the severity and frequency of the AoE. There are plenty out there that go well beyond a little damage on everyone for you to heal, and more into the possibility of one-shotting people, or sticking them with annoying status effects that (on DNC anyway) you'd be burning your waltz timer to heal one. at. a. time.
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