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#1 Oct 01 2010 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good
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I have just finally beat ACP final and i am DNC main, what suggestions would you offer for the body piece augments please?

I am hugley undecided but i am looking at 3% DW and +10 Evasion.

I solo/duo alot on DNC...


Would i miss the +10 accuracy? (i have +8 dagger merits)


Please help with advise and opinions...

Thankyou
#2 Oct 01 2010 at 2:41 PM Rating: Good
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if you solo more than anything else, going with the evasion wouldn't be a terrible thing. As of now you really don't need a whole ton of accuracy with abyssea related stuff, and you can always redo the fight and reaugment if you find out you need the acc or something else. I myself am considering doing either DA or attack since I'm mostly at the cap with everything that I currently do (pizza helps if I'm unsure).
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#3 Oct 01 2010 at 3:16 PM Rating: Good
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Thankyou for the reply, i am eating marinara pizza when i feel like i need to, like on some of the tonberries for the key item abyssite drop in Konschat.

At the moment i find myself running around solo/duo in mostly in an EVA build... current body piece is Aurore... its horribly common but is an excellent piece nonetheless, what i dont know is if a Mirke with +10 Evasion and +3% DW would be nticably better or not?

#4 Oct 01 2010 at 5:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Mirke would have a tad bit more overall evasion (12.5 vs 10 on aurore) so it would basically come down to 2% DA vs 3%DW. Since we now have native DW and I assume you have a suppa as well, the DW would more than likely win out.

Now significantly better? Well, the mirke would win out with your kill speed but if you're just comparing the evasion aspects they're too close. I'm not a big fan of doing "hybrid" builds so if I were in your shoes I would just make the mirke something else, pick up an SH +1 for a "full" evasion build (less than 200k on my server so should be able to find one cheap) and just use aurore for messin around with soloing lesser mobs (actually I don't have it in the first place and probably would drop it if I did...but you do whatever u want with it =P)
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#5 Oct 01 2010 at 7:42 PM Rating: Default
It depends on how much DA you re already bringing to the table.

Based on 100DMG /WAR.
DA: 110>112 (DMG)
DW: 110*1.03 = 113 (DMG)

For the ability to fire off an extra WS every 9(10TP every 100ATKs/2 @ aprox 3 second delay) minutes it is really a wash. In all honesty, I think it is safe to say that either one will work just as well as the next. However if you change Mirke to ACC+10 and DW+3%, I would wager that it will crush Aurore. (unless of course you have a haste +4% body available to you like I do on my RDM, making my ACP body essentially worthless now QQ)



Edited, Oct 1st 2010 9:44pm by rdmcandie
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#6 Oct 03 2010 at 3:34 AM Rating: Decent
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DW/augment of your choice (STP, attack, or acc) is pretty hot if you're pimp and rocking full AF3+2, as you can cap haste without Rapparee Harness then. Otherwise, you'll likely benefit from Mirke more on another job.
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#7 Oct 06 2010 at 3:29 PM Rating: Good
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Hi, yes i have the suppa, and just got a Charis necklace today (went 1/10).

I aslo have the rapparee (4% haste) and am now thinking of getting the Mirke with +10 Acc and + 3% DW as i got the Charis necklace and i will work on an Auric dagger soon.

So i guess the question has changed now to...

Is a Mirke with DW 3% and +10 Acc better than a rapparee? and if so, is it ALOT better, and well worth getting??



*I do have a SH +1 so yes i will keep using that in my EVA build.*

#8 Oct 06 2010 at 4:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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If your acc is not capped right at 95% then mirke will win every single time.

There's a post floating around somewhere (and **** me cause I keep forgetting to bookmark it) where it shows the exact point where rapp would pass up mirke but you have to have stacked haste to a certain %.

Rapp is still good for when you're getting double marches/haste/haste samba and of course it's still king when it comes to casting shadows. But overall, if you're going from an acc neckpiece to charis, I would just keep the acc/dw mirke on for a full time body piece to compensate.
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#9 Oct 08 2010 at 11:15 AM Rating: Good
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Kalisa wrote:
If your acc is not capped right at 95% then mirke will win every single time.

There's a post floating around somewhere (and **** me cause I keep forgetting to bookmark it) where it shows the exact point where rapp would pass up mirke but you have to have stacked haste to a certain %.

Rapp is still good for when you're getting double marches/haste/haste samba and of course it's still king when it comes to casting shadows. But overall, if you're going from an acc neckpiece to charis, I would just keep the acc/dw mirke on for a full time body piece to compensate.


Just gunna leave this here...

Now the STR will give you 2.5~6.0% increase as well, and the 5 DEX is an additional 2.5 ACC, so in reality if you do the 10 ACC, and we exclude the 3% DW for a moment, the new armor gives atleast 9.24% increase(excluding the 2.5 ATK, and if you cap acc). Since you normally won't cap ACC, this number will generally be higher in any case. So already Rapp has to be at 53% haste before equipping it to be even. This requires 17% other haste in gear, haste samba 10%, Haste, and March. If you were at 80% hit rate, then this number would be 56% haste, which would require double march to match it. This goes even further if the fSTR goes up twice, or if you had lower damage weapons that I used(35 damage weapons with 2 fSTR).
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#10 Oct 09 2010 at 3:24 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks for all that, please forgive me if im not sure what part of it is the part that explains what piece is better (Mirke or Rapparee) as i cant work out all the numbers posted etc, ive never fully understood all that to the same extent as some of you.

Do you have a 'for dummies' breakdown as to which is best please?

Or would it totally depend on the individuals other gear and merits etc?


Merit wise, im at 5/5 closed position, 5/5 STR, 8/8 dagger, 4/4 crit, 4/4 eva... also have haste and steps mertited... not sure if any other info regarding those is needed.

I am a Mithra and i curretnly TP in...

Walahra turban (working on charis +1)
charis necklace
kila +1 (STR version)
Parazonium +1 (nq version)
Mirke with +10 acc and +3% DW
brutal
suppa
heed ring
rajas ring
swift belt
foragers mantle
charis tights +1
aurore hands
aurore feet


and if struggling for acc i eat marinara pizza

*looking back at my gear i seem low on acc?*

I am on golems for the dex kila +1 but i have not done thast trial for a long time, i just finished 2 x kila EVA daggers for my EVA build.





Edited, Oct 9th 2010 5:26am by Danseurfabuleux
#11 Oct 09 2010 at 8:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Danseurfabuleux wrote:
*looking back at my gear i seem low on acc?*
If you're worried about acc, this shiny new gem should help quite a bit. Don't know about your server, but it's currently going for ~30k on Lakshmi.
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#12 Oct 09 2010 at 1:58 PM Rating: Default
Your ACC should be around 90% based off my ACC as RDM/DRK of about 85 with slightly more ACC gear equipped than you, and taking into account your traits. This is with pizza+1 however, unfortunately you will need to give up a lot of haste in order to get the ACC to eat straight meat, and meat is not as good as haste most of the time. Your gear is decent save for a few minor upgrades that will come with time. The back piece linked above will out perform your foragers mantle I highly suggest getting it. I know I will be to replace ammet +1.
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#13 Oct 09 2010 at 1:59 PM Rating: Default
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Edited, Oct 10th 2010 2:25pm by rdmcandie
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