Dancer vs. Steely WeaponFollow

1. Get Jinx Discus from AH(100k on Bahamut)
2. Skill Cap @ 285
3. Eat Rabbit Pie(+100 Ranged Attack)
4. Equip all STR and racc+ gear
5. Clear Aggro
6. Stonekin, Blink(optional)
7. Engage Steely Weapon
8. Curse + Dia 2
9. Box Step to level 5
10. Spam Ranged attack like a motherf*cker
11. ?????
12. Profit!!!

Dia2 is to lower it's Defenses, i combined this with Box Step to get the damage I needed.

/WHM is actually a fair sub for DNC nowadays in the 80+ level range. Due to the ridiculous amounts of haste that DNC can stack up, having a Haste spell on you suddenly means that much more. It's the sub I end up using most often now whenever I do not need shadows.

But given how Haste doesn't affect ranged attacks, it's not something I'd use in this scenario. I don't know how badly Berserk would get you killed here, but if it doesn't, I'd probably rather be using /WAR for that. It affects ranged attacks too, which is good because I certainly wouldn't want to blow a rabbit pie just to kill this guy.

/rdm at lv 96+. You get:

Haste
Dia II
Raise
Stoneskin
Dispel
Ice Spikes
Enspells
Refresh
Convert
Phalanx

RDM gets haste (as well as cure IV) later than WHM, at lv 48 (hence 96+). Though a lot of them can be used right now to toy with. Enspells has its situational use in Fan Dance mode.

Edited, Sep 30th 2010 11:21pm by Jevilwolf

I was hitting it for 90+ per hit, and the Jinx Discus had a delay for less than 200, so a ranged attack was once every two seconds. Also, the discus procs every 3-5 hits or so I knocked off the first 10% quick. Stoneskin + gorget and blink help you absorb the first few hits so you don't worry about healing yourself. If you do I just Waltz(and you can RA while you Waltz, because it's a JA and thus you can so Waltz + Samba + Step + Floursih + Cast a Spell all simultanously, just as you can Trick Attack + Sneak Attack + WS. So you don''t waste attack rounds healing or whatever. On a side note, if you start an attack round with Dual Wield, Double + Triple Attack, or Attacks X times weapons, you can cast during the attack round.

I was just doing this for the challenge. I didn't realize... oh wait I forgot where I was posting; never mind.

With all due respect what's the big deal with killing a 75 addon NM? Did they add a loot table to it or something or is it just for the fun of beating it?

As for the comment on not healing, and saying NOTHING about the utility of DNC/WHM, this is from first hand experience with this specific DNC/WHM not healing despite having access to spells, sambas, and waltzes.

Obviously its a fine line between being witty and an ass.

RCD - I'm a little surprised you want to throw one post into the ass-hattery category, but I'm guessing you are much more of an expert on ass-hattery than I, so I'll defer to your judgement on that.

Ok I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but now Im calling shennanigans. I will say you tried for the challenge but I don't believe you did did it.

First claim

90+DMG

You can only get 90+ DMG on that 24D weapon with a crit at cap pdif. Since ranged weapons attack multiplier caps at 3.0 you can only possibly have a max of 72D without a crit (an average of about 67 when themin i figured in). On a crit you would get 24*3.75 = 90. Even if you factor in capped fSTR value on the weapon (D/9) You only get 2 more base D and thus can only get 78D/97.5crit. In order to see 90+ on every hit you need to be hitting for max pdif value and crit 100% of the time, which is impossible as crit % chance caps @ 20% with feather Step assumed to take it to a cap of 25%.

*Just to clarify I totally forgot about upper fstr which does enable you to get 90DMG on a hit, however this also requires you to be an ass load of STR over the mobs vit, and in most cases is not going to be attained. The min value for this is going to be aprox what I listed so you can ballpark estimates in between.* (however to be fair I also disregarded min pdif function which would drop it even further but I digress)


Second claim

Attack rate, 190 delay is not 2 seconds it is over 3 seconds, haste does not increase the speed your actual time between attacks is 190/60 = 3.16 seconds.

Third claim

Curse application. This helps you one time and one time only it can not be reapplied to take hp away again, once you lose say 10% HP and the effect wears you can not lose 10% more HP. All curse does is lowers your maximum value in the case of this NM you go ~2500*.90 =~2250 HP max
when the effect wears and you do not touch the mob he will be effectively at 2250/2500. Should you apply again the mob losses 250 max HP going to 2250/2250. This is the same effect it has on players. If you do not believe me go check out what happens to you if you do not mute yourself in Qulun Dome or w/e it is under Bedeaux.

Fourth Claim
JA stacking, while you can strng them together, you have a 1-2 secon delay between activation and use of another ability, be it a JA a spellcast, a melee swing. There is nothing special about JA's in this sense. I know well enough I can not string together Step/Waltz/Samba/Spell without some type of pause between each action. However brief it may be. (just because your character is still dancing does not mean you are still performing the ability, it is like casting a spell or taking a melee swing the server registers the effect before your animation comes close to finishing).

Side note

While it appears this way you are not actually casting during the attack round, you are casting during the animation for the attack round, which is completely different.


Just to assume everything falls into place.....

97/190*60 = 30.63

2500*.90 = 2250

2250/30.63 = 73.63*1.05(accadjust)/60 = 1.28 minutes

Well in theory you can do it. In reality the checks in game prevent you from doing this. I imagine it is possible, but not how you have described it.

My issues.....

I doubt DNC is going to be able to cap pDIF on a 75 Mob with a C-ranked weapon (pDIF of 3.0), I doubt DNC will have enough STR to cap fSTR value on a WAR type mob. I doubt most DNC's have dDEX high enough to cap at 20% crit. I doubt most DNC's can obtain one of these, let alone all three required to provide enough damage to the mob.

im just saying, your numbers don't add up with game design.


Edited, Oct 2nd 2010 6:30pm by rdmcandie

so it is my bad i just got number punchy because I know that every hit was not for 90+