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#1 Sep 01 2010 at 1:16 PM Rating: Decent
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OK not sure how to say this but 80% of the dnc I partied with in Abyssea play GOD AWFUL. 50% of the ppl that I play with in Abyssea play horrid. But back to DNC player's I partied with. I played as DNC main last week in Abyssea went from 76-80 capped on Bugards. I was DNC/SAM and I pulled when the thf went afk (so I pulled for 5-15min when the thf had to put kids to bed ect.), cured anyone in alliance that was in yellow/red hp as well as curing the puller, at the same time still doing 700-900 DE on the mobs, keeping sambas up to help the party as a whole do nice damage over time.

Well the last 2 days I've played as cor trying to go from 76-80 and this is what I've seen. Dnc not using sambas at all. They are using Saber Dance fulltime and ws when they can (wich is pathetic when you see them do 200-300 DE). I suggested to them maybe useing Building Flourish will help out your ws #'s and they did and did better but still how do you not know this at that level? The dnc's I partied with didn't so much as cure unless it was themselves. Poorly geared (str+2 rings) except for the Aurore set. As a result with no help with the cures ppl would occaisionally die usually the same ppl the puller or the person curing the puller. When I send tells to these diff dnc's they all same thing "They are full time DD's and let the healer jobs worry about the healing"

I know alot of ppl half-*** in Abyssea and pretty much everythng game related.. but c'mon.
Sad thing is I noticed this type of play in other jobs. Like cor using lvl 1 ammo even ws's, I played with a bst that didn't use a pet at all for 4hrs, blu that fulltime in relic or Aurore set. These are jobs I play as so I pay attention to how ppl use them. But is this Abyssea messing up the already tainted skills of ppl that play and making them play even worse than already thought possible? Am I playing DNC wrong and just worry about Saber Dance (wich to me doesn't do much over Haste samba), ws, not cure? If I didnt see 7 dnc play like this in 3 days I would think they suck. But maybe I'm playing dnc wrong.
#2 Sep 01 2010 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
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It's not just you, but Abyssea had brought all the bad players out of the woodwork. Those who would have been kicked instantly from a normal six man party are now harder to see among 18 man alliances.

Even prior to Abyssea, 95% or more of all dancers made little to no effort to gear and play DNC properly. At least the ease of obtaining Aurore has made them a bit more useful than back when they used to full time 5/5 AF.
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#3 Sep 01 2010 at 2:17 PM Rating: Default
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You're playing DNC right. Part of the reason you never saw them before may have been that getting a meripo on DNC was rare, so all the ... less-skilled dancers were off 'practicing' being pure DD in Campaign, where noone saw their ability, or lack thereof. Dancer can do some really good DD, while still maintaining a party or alliance. As it was designed. The way they're playing? To me, it makes as much sense as a RDM who only runs an enhancement cycle and doesn't cast a single enfeeble.

ETA: Also, don't get me started on Aurore. It's nice cheap placeholder gear that's better than AF, and the pants really are rocking, but Dusk still is marginally better for hands and feet, there's plenty of other things for body that do the job better, and as for the head? Yeah. Any melee in the head needs to get hit upside the head.

Also? If they're wanting to DD, there is no Altana-kissed reason they can't have Haste Samba and Sabre Dance both up full-time. Any less, and take their tiara away.

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#4 Sep 01 2010 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
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I haven't done that much abyssea (got my jobs to 80 prior to people finding out about it) but yeah, outside of it I've seen this behavior and much worse. Sadly it's mostly from JP players and I can't effectively communicate how much they suck...I er mean...give them constructive criticism =P

Thankfully all of the very good DNCs on my server I'm all friends (rivals) with and we communicate quite a bit on gear, playstyles, etc. So it does make me feel better that there are some peole out there that take the job seriously and want to improve.

But I will say this....there are a TON more gimpy and horrible THFs out there than there are DNCs...I have too much work to do on that end ; ;
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#5 Sep 02 2010 at 2:48 PM Rating: Good
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I can't stand how JP players always find one thing that a job can do and pay attention only to that one ability while treating it like an older job.

BLU: It's a mage! Let's gear only for magic stats full time, take an hour to get 300% TP, and never use it!
COR: It buffs like a bard! Let's all sub WHM and be bards with cards!
PUP: It's a gimp monk with pet! Let's treat it like BST and not buy gear for the master!
DNC: It can cure! Gear doesn't matter because we aren't DDs!
SCH: I don't know how they actually managed to pick this one up. Maybe it just stepped on so many toes that they didn't need to learn new tricks.



Not trying to start and flame wars or anything, just noting a general trend of JPs trying to use hybrid jobs in only a single role.
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#6 Sep 02 2010 at 3:00 PM Rating: Decent
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I wish it was JP players, sadly this poor DNC behavior that has me so confused I had to question myself is comming from ENG players. They want to be DD but lack the skill to know what to gear swap and do low #'s and on top of that don't samba at all. Don't cure unless it is themselves. Geared up like a 2006 rmt at lvl 50. And when ppl are like let's get a whm or rdm or sch to help with cures no one is demanding the dnc to step up and assist. I assisted because i figure less downtime, bickering, needing to find a back up healer = faster kills, more xp. I don't know what all these dnc are thinking with this (full time saber danc, ws with tp, assist no one) mentality. I was in a party yesterday and same ****. I send a /tell ask why you play this way? and response "Its the best way to play DD". Again they are doing weak *** ws #'s, and allaince is hurting as a whole from lack of a cure tossed here and there (not often just emergency). It's disgusting.
#7 Sep 02 2010 at 3:34 PM Rating: Good
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I totally agree with you on DNC's in Abyssea, I have seen a handful that are good players with decent gear but most of them are just leeching their way through the levels, and obviously didn't learn anything from 1-80. Although the same can be said for a lot of jobs out there.

I will say this though... I got to DNC/WAR in a party on bats in Tahrongi the other day, and I literally couldn't use sambas because I had to use Fan Dance to stay alive. Yes I know I probably should've been supporting but it was just too **** fun destroying (there was plenty of other support, though). DNC/WAR is a serious beast, and with temp. items things get a little crazy (700+ attack).

I'm thinking with the next update, and players reaching 85, we will be able to have smaller Abyssea groups, and be able to weed out the bad players.
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#8 Sep 03 2010 at 12:57 PM Rating: Default
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I've noticed a lot of crappy DNCs in abyssea also, and I tend to agree with the sentiment that they all crawled out of the campaign woodwork where no one could notice their fail until someone turned on the lights and they were suddenly covering everything like cockroaches in a cheap chicago apartment.

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I have a serious problem with people who wear the full aurore set, DNCs and THFs especially, becuase those are the two jobs I play most. The reason most of them give when I ask them why their gear fails so much is that they don't get the stp without the whole set... well ******************* there is no possible anomaly in time or space that would EVER distort reality enough to make 8 stp better than the 6-8% haste (depending on dusk+1s/homam/whatever) that you give up by not wearing dusk/(homam for thf), rap harness, and turban. If you're hurting for STP so badly go get a fusetto... though that opens a whole new world of fail that I'll not get into right now. It just doesn't make any sense. Turban is free and easy to get, rap harness is mostly free and incredibly easy to get now that the lvl cap is remoed, dusk on my server is ridiculously cheap these days. why would you gimp the **** out of yourself for 8 measly stp that are going to do very little for you because you're dual wielding at every occasion now that you hae DW4 native to you?
/rant off

I enjoy DDing on my DNC, when i have haste samba up, am hasted, and perhaps getting a march or two my TP guage flies up like crazy (gogo auric dagger) that's more than enough TP to throw out steps, use building/wild flourish, toss in a stun or two, and, most importantly, have TP left over to cure people in need of it, especially if you're /SAM with sekkanoki and meditate it just starts to get ridiculous on what you can do with TP gain/WSs/debuffs/cures. It makes me sad that I've learned to do all of this stuff simultaneously, and I get passed over for other jobs in an abyssea alliance, or asked to change to another because of all the retards that can't get decent FREE gear to tp in, and do their **** job with anything resembling competence.
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#9 Sep 03 2010 at 1:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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To an extent you're doing it right, but in a lot of situations there really isn't a need for DNC to heal. If you have enough healing what's the point of keeping Saber Dance down? I don't necessarily agree with leaving it up fulltime when mages are struggling to keep MP, but if you're curing once every 2-3 minutes just as something to spend extra TP on.

I have no clue how people only pull 200-300 WS at 80 btw. I was getting that at 75 (with merits) in my WS gear. I've gotten up to 800-1k now, and 600 or so in my Haste/DW gear if I'm holding my WS back. Not keeping Sambas up is a huge failure at the job (if not using Fan Dance, for obvious reasons), as that's one of the things that makes the job unique.

But The whole concept of "They're not curing at all! They must be horrible!" doesn't really stand up, because DNC is insanely versatile. In a blink of an eye, without the need to change support jobs or change gear combinations (gearswaps still a necessity, obviously), you can go from pure DD to main healer, to support healer/average DD. Keeping yourself stuck in the support/average DD slot 100% isn't playing the job to its full potential. I'm not saying you're doing a poor job, I'm saying maybe some of the things they're doing aren't really all that bad.

Most notably fulltiming Saber Dance. I was in a party at skulls in Canyon and we had more than enough healing, so I popped SD, planning on taking it down the second I needed to start healing, and that moment never came. Mages had plenty of MP to cure, puller was cured immediately upon arrival, so I just kept going. It wasn't until people started cycling out to spend merits that I had to start a support role, and never had to maintain much of a main heal role.

And Saber Dance does make a difference, a BIG one. Even if you have a lot of DA gear, it boosts it by a large margin. I can tell a marked difference in DoT and TP gain when I have it up. It is best served when merited further than unlocked, and the final minute can be canceled since the 10% boost to DA rate really doesn't cancel out the fact that you lose potential to cure, but a 50%/40%/30% increase for minutes 1/2/3 (respectively) GREATLY increases your damage potential.
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Also, does DNC share a lot of gear with THF? I've already got the dagger merits, and plan to level THF to flesh out my recent Assassin's Armlets aquisition I figure if I'm in the neighborhood... Might as well use all that gear for more than one purpose.
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#11 Sep 03 2010 at 10:20 PM Rating: Decent
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DNC shares a lot of gear with THF yeah, I think the only real differences between my DNC and THF tp sets are the homam hands and feet for THF, evasion sets are pretty much the same I think. The WS sets are completely different though, and DNC has a lot of extra gear for cures and the like that THF doesn't use, and thf has dex/agi gear for SA/TA. But generally, yeah THF and DNC use a lot of the same gear.
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#12 Sep 04 2010 at 3:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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I just had my first experience with DNC in Abyssea, and I actually had the other problem.

Just because I'm a DNC, just because I can cure, doesn't mean the bloody WHM can afk.
About half way through the run, I noticed the WHM would do a Haste cycle and then ****** off. I let some people slip into red, just to see if they got a cure, and nada....

It ****** me off because my DNC is nicely geared (or... it was for 75 anyway) - and /war, I wasn't exactly hurting for TP (****, I was getting Haste and March x2.... Freakin hundred fists!!!) - but, just because I'm there, doesn't mean I don't want to DD. I was pulling some really nice Pyrric Kleos on the mandies (I always felt it was nice to get that eva down on the mob right off the bat, but that's just play style) - but half way through, I'm main healing the whole freaking alliance. And if I'm going to do that.... rep the **** mages, get me some more DD's and a 2nd GOOD DNC and we'll kill faster... **** slackers ;)
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Where have you been my whole life!?

Also, does DNC share a lot of gear with THF? I've already got the dagger merits, and plan to level THF to flesh out my recent Assassin's Armlets aquisition I figure if I'm in the neighborhood... Might as well use all that gear for more than one purpose.


They use a lot of the same gear in the way MNK and NIN share a lot of the same gear, or DRG and DRK. They wear the same armor type, and since they use the same weapon, are geared similarly for playstyle. I have THF at 75 and DNC at 80, and while they share some of the same gear (most notably Turban, Dusk hands, ACP body), THF has access to more choices for WS gear and daggers, and there's still a need for SA/TA gear. So yeah, they use a lot of the same stuff, but it's like leveling any other similar job...you're still going to have to buy quite a bit for that job.

Having said that, unfortunately THF isn't quite what it should be, so maybe really fleshing out a unique gearset for it might end up being a waste. I'm hoping in the next update or two they give THF some sweet lovin' because it's pretty well obsolete, and if you're going to be doing anything with daggers that doesn't require TH, you'll probably be DNC anyway.
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#14 Sep 04 2010 at 11:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have a serious problem with people who wear the full aurore set, DNCs and THFs especially


There's a lot of hate for the full Aurore set, but I think people aren't quite understanding its true value.

I've built a rather extensive spreadsheet to determine gear change values for mnk. A caveat is obviously that certain aspects won't work exactly the same for other jobs, but carefully applied base comparisons are generally extensible in a generic manner. I can make quite a few tweaks to the types of damage being done and the relative values of gear changes remain basically the same.

With that said, starting with the full Aurore set, there are very few -single- pieces of gear that can be swapped out and beat the full set. Use Turban? Worse. Fumas? Worse. Dusk Gloves? Worse. Shura Togi? Worse. Etc.

Dusk Gloves +1? OK, those are a tiny bit ahead. Usukane feet? Tiny bit ahead. Rapparee Harness? Less than 0.5% better if you have fully capped accuracy and low haste buffs; it gains more with high haste buffs (maybe a 3% edge); but as soon as you're getting any notable accuracy from the Aurore body it falls back to being even or worse (depending on how much haste you get). Etc.

Once you break the set with the first piece, then additional pieces getting swapped out start being worth more. Turban+Dusk Gloves+Rapp Harness wins out handily (pushing +10% with high haste) with sufficiently high accuracy and outside haste buffs. However even moderately evasive mobs (the equivalent of Greater Colibri when 75, even using pizza) leave Aurore in the lead if you're not getting Haste+2xMarch. (Additional caveat: that's using attack-oriented weapons rather than +acc weapons; +acc daggers would give you more leeway to swap to haste gear.)

Basically, there are conditions where a mix & match set will beat full Aurore, but there are also a not insignificant number of situations where full Aurore will win. If someone doesn't understand when each gear set is better, I'd just as soon see them in full Aurore as anything else since there's still a decent chance it's the best option for them at the time. What I -don't- want to see is almost-full-Aurore.


For thf, on the other hand, Homam hands and feet provide enough haste+acc to beat Aurore in most cases, so I would expect a serious thf to never wear much Aurore. Full Aurore is still a huge improvement over a Christmas tree thf, though.

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Not only are there many sad Dancers... There are many sad Abyssea leaders...
I've been turned down on a number of occasions because they are looking for "DD and Healers and don't need a puller".
and also being stuck in the mage party so I can't give Haste Samba to the DDs nor use Divine Waltz to its full potential.
Really, anyone can pull in Abyssea... and while its sometimes nessisary for a DNC to pick up the slack, I feel like it lowers my effectiveness not often getting much melee time in for TP, and being forced to sub /NIN for shadows by the leaders or GTFO.
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I have a serious problem with people who wear the full aurore set, DNCs and THFs especially, becuase those are the two jobs I play most. The reason most of them give when I ask them why their gear fails so much is that they don't get the stp without the whole set... well whoopity-@#%^in-do, there is no possible anomaly in time or space that would EVER distort reality enough to make 8 stp better than the 6-8% haste (depending on dusk+1s/homam/whatever) that you give up by not wearing dusk/(homam for thf), rap harness, and turban. If you're hurting for STP so badly go get a fusetto... though that opens a whole new world of fail that I'll not get into right now. It just doesn't make any sense. Turban is free and easy to get, rap harness is mostly free and incredibly easy to get now that the lvl cap is remoed, dusk on my server is ridiculously cheap these days. why would you gimp the **** out of yourself for 8 measly stp that are going to do very little for you because you're dual wielding at every occasion now that you hae DW4 native to you?
/rant off


Obviously this is mostly silliness that this individual thinks that Aurore is "gimp"; however to kinematics: what mobs stats do you use as the new standard to compare gear against now that pink birds are off the table? I just wanted to do some checking of my own.




Edited, Sep 4th 2010 5:51pm by doctorugh

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#17 Sep 05 2010 at 9:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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My 'standard' target is:

Level 87
Defense 375 (338 w/Dia II)
Evasion 366
Vit 77 (for fStr)
Agi 72 (for crit%)

This is based on extending the stats of Seaboard Vultures (mobs that I've gotten specific stats for, and aren't as ridiculously squishy as colibri). I'll manipulate the values a bit when I want see particular effects (variations in level correction, capped accuracy, etc) that may be seen in certain venues now (eg: Dynamis).

For Abyssea, technically I should be setting the target to at least level 88, since that's the minimum level for IT mobs, but I still need to get detailed stats for a few of the common mobs, as I suspect they may have slightly lower defense/evasion ratings.



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Obviously this is mostly silliness that this individual thinks that Aurore is "gimp"; however to kinematics: what mobs stats do you use as the new standard to compare gear against now that pink birds are off the table? I just wanted to do some checking of my own.


Obviously this person is one of the aformentioned idiots.
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#19 Sep 05 2010 at 6:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Obviously this is mostly silliness that this individual thinks that Aurore is "gimp"; however to kinematics: what mobs stats do you use as the new standard to compare gear against now that pink birds are off the table? I just wanted to do some checking of my own.


Obviously this person is one of the aformentioned idiots.


Please, oh please, list your gear sets for DNC.
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Yes, by fulltiming Saber Dance in Abyssea, clearly I am leaving in the lurch the 3-4 WHM/RDM/SCH whose combined healing duties equal one PLD getting hit for 60 damage by a mandragora.

Thank you for setting me straight.
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Yes, by fulltiming Saber Dance in Abyssea, clearly I am leaving in the lurch the 3-4 WHM/RDM/SCH whose combined healing duties equal one PLD getting hit for 60 damage by a mandragora.

Thank you for setting me straight.


This isn't the problem. We're complaining about the ones that refuse to do any healing even when the mages can't adequately cover healing for everyone. Coincidentally, most of these "pure DD" DNCs are the ones wearing little to no gear that assists them in dealing damage.
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I just recently reactivated and lvled my sch from 75 to 85. All the abyssea parties I was in I was practically forced to full time dark arts and act like a blm. I cured a few times out of boredom when we were low on pearl kills and I got yelled at by the whms and rdms because they said curing was their job. What does this have to do with dnc? Well I have a 75 dnc and plan to lvl it next so I do know a little bit about the job, but honestly in abyssea I don't think theres a real need for dnc to cure unless unless some of the healers had to go afk or their low on mp or something(which mp really isn't a problem for mages in abyssea). Whats more is if you aren't expected to heal at all then its hard to notice the occasional times (like once or twice every 2-3 hours) when someone in the alliance needs a cure and the healers went mysteriously afk. I don't know about you, but when your in abyssea for like 3-6 hours and your job isn't primarily to heal, constantly looking at the health bars of 18 people isn't one thing I generally do. Now if the dnc is looking at the alliance health bars and notice someone in red thats not getting cured and the dnc doesn't try to cure him, then thats a completely separate matter.

Also there are times when full time aurore gear can be an overall improvement. For example, people tend to use rapparee harness quite often. rapparee is theoretically one of the best body pieces for tp gains (at a decent enough total +haste), however if their accuracy rate is quite low a scorpion harness/af2/enkidu's harness would turn out better. The store TP +8 bonus tends to be easily overlooked.

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I guess i have been fortunate all the dnc i partied with in abyssea kicked ***. If dnc in DD party you shouldn't need a whm too.
I oh my life to many dnc and really like to party with them.
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The last DNC I had in Abyssea exp:
- 72.08% melee hit rate.
- 239.25 average WS damage.
- Barely used Samba.
- Parser missed it completely if he used any Step.
- But, Samaba/Step didn't really matter, since he liked to duo with the THF 'puller', making his Samba/Step moot for the rest of the alliance. (He'd stop melee a monster as soon as a PLD Provoke/Flash it...)
- Cured himself. A lot. The rest of us? Not so much.

That DNC may have been the worst one I've met, but in general, DNCs have been low damage, low cure, largely useless leeches in Abyssea pickup groups. Random DNC? Do NOT want... Give me a PUP instead. I'll even take a BST melee'ing in CHR gear as long as he brings those high level jugs. Anything but a random Dancer.

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The sad thing is, I really like the DNC job. Really miss that DNC friend of mine who had to leave FFXI due to RL. Watching these idiots messing up DNC makes me grind my teeth.

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#25 Sep 20 2010 at 3:37 PM Rating: Good
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Some of these poor Dancers could also be the ones who play chest ***** in Abyssea from 30-75+ and therefore don't know WTF they're doing anyway.
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#26 Sep 20 2010 at 3:40 PM Rating: Good
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That description made it sound like he was holding mobs the THF would pull until the PLD got it off him. Not sure why he'd do that, unless you were fighting something unsleepable or difficult to sleep.
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That description made it sound like he was holding mobs the THF would pull until the PLD got it off him. Not sure why he'd do that, unless you were fighting something unsleepable or difficult to sleep.


Why? Because he was a moron. He kept waking up the mandies which RDMs and BLMs slept so the mandies would go slap the RDMs and BLMs until they all gave up trying to sleep anything.

Maybe he thought he was being useful that way. Or, maybe he wanted to show off his mad skillz at solo/duo'ing. Or maybe the planets were in a particular alignment which through tea leave divination informed him that doing that was helping the alliance get more exp.

I'm just going to stick with "He was a moron" as the best explanation.
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Okay, that's fair, he was a moron. But one person using moronic, ineffective tactics doesn't mean that dancer is a low damage, low cure, leechy kinda job.
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#29 Sep 20 2010 at 10:47 PM Rating: Good
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Well I was considering being a dancer one day but not so sure anymore. I'm sure I can handle the skill just not sure if I can get so much gear so quick.

Speaking of which, that may be why some of the dancers are not too good right now. Maybe they are a lot of players that grinded the class to high level quickly and just felt like playing as them? *shrug*

Edited, Sep 21st 2010 12:53am by Icare
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If you're looking for a job where a small group of elitists aren't going to criticize you for not having the best of everything, this game probably isn't you for, cuz the other 19 out there aren't any better.
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#31 Sep 21 2010 at 6:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Figured as much honestly. But I mean, it isn't like I won't TRY to get the better gear. It is just that everyone starts somewhere.

Editing this a third time because I want to avoid ******* people off so I won't say what I feel on most of the subject. So I will just leave it at, don't go telling people what they should or shouldn't play. If I wasn't having a lot of fun with this game, I obviously wouldn't play it.


Also...try to calm down just a little bit. If your gamestyle is to not calm down about these things then fine. But believe me, the more you let players like this get under your skin, the more you will hate the game and stress out. Take a deep breath and try to find a way around the situation. If they do stink yet your party is not dieing, then let it be. Correct the person if you want so they can be better if they choose to listen. If they are causing your party to die horribly or it bothers you that bad, then just play with your friends only. Don't accept so many randoms.

Edited, Sep 21st 2010 12:01pm by Icare
#32 Sep 21 2010 at 12:42 PM Rating: Good
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A good player can impress on DNC equipped with barely anything more than the Artifact set and a few choice AH gear; my friend (as DNC75) was tanking Vulpangue for us with gear like that.

The problem is this job just seem to attract idiots.
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#33 Sep 21 2010 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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Its not about the gear. Gear in this game for any job won't make or break you. What makes or breaks a job is the preformance. Do what you are supposed to do as well as doing what you can do to help the party/alliance as a whole. I'm not trying to come off UBER, but I do have very good gear for my dnc. And I preform extremly well but even w/o the gear I can do good.

Someone wants to show up in Aurore set I really don't care as long as you function properly. Meaning if group is low on healers assist with the cures and help with understanding when to Drain Samba and when not to. If everyone HP is looking great then switch out and Haste Samba especially if you hav 2 or more DD's in the party that actually preform well. If the DD's suk and you can really contribute then ok go Saber Dance. (I still think Haste Samba merited preforms better than Saber as a whole but thats just me.)

I know ppl wanna say its about the gear but its not. Blu not spell casting in af is ridiculous to me and they should be shot on sight. but can they still function? yea. A bst in chr gear in abyssea looks pretty much like a ****** but can they function? extremely well if they use sheep pets. (Its the bst that come with crab familiar's that should be removed)

Just don't sweat the gear.. cause decent gear to good gear is easy to obtain and ppl will tell you whats what to make sure you get that right. Its the common sense nature of the jobs ppl are playing as that drive me nuts.
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Gear will make a good player great, but it'll never make a bad player good. Sweat the gear, but be sure to sweat not sucking at the job first.
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#35 Sep 22 2010 at 10:33 AM Rating: Good
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Erecia wrote:
Gear will make a good player great, but it'll never make a bad player good. Sweat the gear, but be sure to sweat not sucking at the job first.


Whats the point of having good gear if you never swap it anyway and most bad player don't swap
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#36 Sep 22 2010 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Kirana wrote:
Some of these poor Dancers could also be the ones who play chest ***** in Abyssea from 30-75+ and therefore don't know WTF they're doing anyway.

I did that! ~45-72 anyway.

Erecia wrote:
Gear will make a good player great, but it'll never make a bad player good. Sweat the gear, but be sure to sweat not sucking at the job first.

^

It's entirely possible to be a good player with purely AH gear. It may limit your capabilities somewhat, but no reasonable person is going to completely reject you as long as the skills are there. That still requires that you have the basic skills though...

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 4:24pm by Beleren
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