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#1 Apr 04 2009 at 7:15 AM Rating: Decent
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I am trying to set up a macro so I can pull a mob on Sam/Dnc and use Spectral Jig as I'm running away. I want to be able to do a gear swap so I can blink through the animation so I don't stop running. I've tried using fractions of a second with Windower but I cant seem to get it to work. Does anyone know how I can pull this off or have any tips?
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#2 Apr 04 2009 at 7:42 AM Rating: Good
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No.

SE patched DNC to specifically not be able to do that when the community started screaming nerf that DNC could cure itself while running without needing to stop at all.

Gota love those people >.>
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#3 Apr 04 2009 at 11:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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There IS a way of doing this, but it requires you to mess up with the .Dats and could be considered cheating.

I do not use it nor I will tell you how, but you can find your answers here
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#4 Apr 04 2009 at 12:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thankfully i couldn't find anywhere in that thread giving specific instructions on what to do. Or else lots of dorks would use it and we would find DNC nerfed somehow. Something that would totally not be worth the relatively situational and small edge it would give anyone using it.

Seriously rooting us in place for those dances is one of the few nerfs i did agree with. Curing while running is overpowered, even more so if you can keep your jig up permanently while doing so and never letting the enemy catch up. We have plenty of overpoweredness to our job as is and shouldnt taunt SE to break us. I speak from the experience of a guy that keeps having his chosen jobs @#%^ed with by SE...

And quite frankly there hasn't been an occasion i can think of where i thought "Damn youuuu SE and your DNC animation rooting @#%$@%!". Choco jig is a little long for something that's supposed to save time, yes, but i can live with it for keeping the job as awesome as it is.



Edited, Apr 4th 2009 4:58pm by RattyBatty
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#5 Apr 04 2009 at 7:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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There is some BG talk about this.

IMO, intentionally DAT swapping to remove animations to make a JA instant is an exploit, and is simply cheating. And if I am a GM and caught someone doing that, that guy is going to GM Jail.

If too much people doing it, you guys are just making SE to do something about this and that may completely broke DAT swapping for cosmetic purposes, which is completely harmless (I do not do DAT swapping myself, but I know how to do it). And A LOT OF PEOPLE really will not like that to happen. And if way too much people are really abusing DAT swapping, I am in a favor DAT swapping should go down the road of Salvage duping, MPK patch, or Rune Chopper.
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Thankfully i couldn't find anywhere in that thread giving specific instructions on what to do. Or else lots of dorks would use it and we would find DNC nerfed somehow. Something that would totally not be worth the relatively situational and small edge it would give anyone using it.

Seriously rooting us in place for those dances is one of the few nerfs i did agree with. Curing while running is overpowered, even more so if you can keep your jig up permanently while doing so and never letting the enemy catch up. We have plenty of overpoweredness to our job as is and shouldnt taunt SE to break us. I speak from the experience of a guy that keeps having his chosen jobs @#%^ed with by SE...

And quite frankly there hasn't been an occasion i can think of where i thought "Damn youuuu SE and your DNC animation rooting @#%$@%!". Choco jig is a little long for something that's supposed to save time, yes, but i can live with it for keeping the job as awesome as it is.


RattyBatty is always one of my favorite posters here. Everyone should read the Beastmaster Code about conduct and common sense in camps.

Less Q_Q about things not going your way. We are Dancers anyway, you don't want to dance? More Pew Pew plz!


Edited, Apr 4th 2009 11:28pm by scchan

Edited, Apr 4th 2009 11:31pm by scchan
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#6 Apr 04 2009 at 9:20 PM Rating: Decent
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I hit level 60 exactly 7 days after the expansion content went live. I attempted to use macros to blink out of dance animations many times. The only ones I was successful with were steps and some flourishes. I know this was all tested before any patch was put out, as I tested curing waltz the first day of live content with the very few gear swap options available at level 15.
#7 Apr 07 2009 at 6:57 AM Rating: Decent
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You can't blink Cures? O.o I blink the animation for it a lot in gear swaps in battle, never tested it when not in battle though...gonna have to try now and see if I can do it out of battle, lol.
#8 Apr 07 2009 at 9:28 AM Rating: Good
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You can't blink Cures? O.o I blink the animation for it a lot in gear swaps in battle, never tested it when not in battle though...gonna have to try now and see if I can do it out of battle, lol.


You can interrupt the fancy animation with another JA like a step midway, but one way or another, you will be rooted in place until that dance is done. That's what people keep trying to blink trough.

Again that's just asking for SE over-nerf if too many people start trying to do it. The most logical reaction i could see SE having to do in that case is giving all our abilities a cast time like mages, meaning we would have to stand still or it would interrupt. This would make all our cures become interruptable by enemies. Do you guys really want that? Then better be happy with the way things are and stop thinking about tricking the system.

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RattyBatty is always one of my favorite posters here. Everyone should read the Beastmaster Code about conduct and common sense in camps.

Shucks thanks, i get a lot of love through PMs but they rarely dare to say it in threads :P


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#9 Apr 07 2009 at 9:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Shucks thanks, i get a lot of love through PMs but they rarely dare to say it in threads :P


I do not always agree with your opinions, but you always think independently you say, and say what you want to say. Something that is really absent in these boards and in RL.

Anyway, I first read about a possible way to glitch the animation BG last week. I really hope SE can fix this without messing up Dat modding in general as it is one of the biggest fan based past time in the game.

It sucks that in a game, people will find anyway to get ahead. Dancer JAs are already very good and well developed (DNC is probably one of the most complete expansion jobs ever being released in terms of not needing subsequent nerfs and buffs). And people still wanted more!

Edited, Apr 7th 2009 1:48pm by scchan
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#10 Apr 07 2009 at 4:42 PM Rating: Decent
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IMO, if DNC can't blink out their JA animations, nobody else should be able to either. I'm not saying the change was a bad idea, but it should have been applied to all JAs; singling out dances is just unfair.


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And quite frankly there hasn't been an occasion i can think of where i thought "Damn youuuu SE and your DNC animation rooting @#%$@%!". Choco jig is a little long for something that's supposed to save time, yes, but i can live with it for keeping the job as awesome as it is.


I think about this almost every time I use any dance outside of combat...
#11 Apr 07 2009 at 6:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I do not think any one is singling on DNC, but this is a DNC forum, and I can see a lot of use more than what OP wanted to do will make breaking animation sequence be outright cheating. (It would make DNC be one of the better kiters in the game)

To closest job that I can think of from benefiting breaking the animation is COR. COR rolls and Quick Draw also froze the COR till the card animations are finished. If COR has Skadi boots, it will make COR a solo master on enemies that have no enhanced movement speed.

Anyway, if dances and Corsair rolling is broken too much, it is for sure making SE to nerf it. Well "nerf" is probably a bad word, because it is a glitch in some ways. But this is a different type of glitch compare to duping in Salvage, because the dat files are working as intended but it is just the dat files do not check themselves if they are being modified, it is not like items are not supposed to drop 2-3 times as a bug on SE server. Anyway, I do not think Corsairs and Dancers wanted to be stuck with the curse of unable to preform unless standing still first.

PS: And one thing... am I not surprised when I looked at the OP's character profile with all those top tier E-Peen gear ... Smiley: dubious and wanted to do this kind of glitching

Edited, Apr 7th 2009 10:27pm by scchan
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#12 Apr 08 2009 at 12:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I do not think any one is singling on DNC, but this is a DNC forum, and I can see a lot of use more than what OP wanted to do will make breaking animation sequence be outright cheating. (It would make DNC be one of the better kiters in the game)


I wasn't accusing anyone here of singling out DNC (and COR, I guess?), I was accusing SE of doing so >_>
#13 Apr 08 2009 at 12:29 AM Rating: Good
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Choco jig is a little long for something that's supposed to save time

Ha ha, seriously. Why does the +movement speed dance of all things root you in place for a good 5-6 seconds first?
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#14 Apr 08 2009 at 4:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Ha ha, seriously. Why does the +movement speed dance of all things root you in place for a good 5-6 seconds first?


It is not really that long, consider I used to do Mazaruka (and the macro include -- folks gather up for Mazaruka) x_X. (Sarcasm)
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