Mirke Waldecors - What would you add?Follow

Yeah. Since I have Etoile Casaque too I'm thinking about my stats. I think I would go with Dual Wield and Double attack. Could be a nice Saberdance Combination. And when I don't hit enough I can still switch to Relic Body. But I'm still thinking.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2009 7:50am by Mikesama

Things that jumped out for me:
Double attack, Accuracy, Dual Wield.
I am currently the highest level DNC in my linkshell and 71 atm so I'll get the Etoile body eventually (gogo northlands spam!). Considering this, I could add Accuracy and Double Attack (for WS?), or make it a TP piece and add Accuracy and Dual Wield. Or add Dual Wield and Double attack.
Any combination of these things should work fine I guess, but needs more thinking ><

I'm planning on going Dual Wield + Accuracy for mine. 5 dex + 10 accuracy is 12.5 accuracy, which I believe is the best accuracy body a dancer can get. (It even beats the Relic Body for accuracy purporses)

As far as TP goes, I believe Dual wield and haste are worth exactly the same thing; someone correct me if I'm wrong.

The rapparee harness would become a utsusemi:Ni recast body. Sure, it's 1% less "haste", but even with 4% haste, the rap was only situationnally better than a scorpion harness.

A Dex+5 Accuracy+10 Dual Wield +3% body would be the best of both worlds, not to mention the extra 5 Str and 5 Agi that still count for something.

Just did the math on this, there will be no difference between dual wield and haste for DNC as far as attack speed or TP rate goes (unless you use Ermine's+CUK 4.7 to 4.6 boo-hoo XD). 1% Haste vs. 10 acc is an easy decision to make.

Didn't even give this a second thought for DNC. I think Enkidus harness is probably better. I'll be using this for RNG and sidegrading for O-sode.

But if I was to use it for DNC

ACC +10
and
DW +3%
or
ATT +10

Edit: Spelling

Edited, Mar 23rd 2009 6:05pm by Lostkaws

Umm, it's all over the official site.... >.> <.<

I still have no idea what to get. :(

I am a little confused about this.

Our best (situational) TP pieces are R. Harness/Etoile Casaque, right?

So we get a piece that has nearly the same delay reduction.. as well as 2.5atk/12.5acc/2.5eva and.. it's not the best piece? In a situation you're lacking in acc and lose the 4% from R. Harness.. you can get MORE acc as well as a delay reduction on this piece.. on top of the inherit benefeit to WS (although this may not be true..E. Body may win due to lack of atk cap?)

Or in a situation where you do NOT need the acc.. R. Harness wins.. but.. having an extra 12.5 acc is not a small figure along with the other stats on the suggested body.. I -personally- prefer Joytoy and that build suffers from acc for sword pretty heavily..

Regardless. I am personally very excited and will be choosing the above piece unless someone can convince me otherwise..



edit before I get flamed:

Enkidu is a really nice piece too, I was selfish in not listing it because personally it's not an obtainable item at the moment. I already run with SH+1 and R. Harness and am in line for an Etoile Body though - forgive me for not listing it.

Maybe it's my personal playstyle - but I prefer TP accumulation en masse to the DoT increase from the ATK.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2009 10:37pm by EmotionBlues

double edit: Geez, it has +5 Store TP on it too.. hard to argue that I guess - but the Mirke still win IMO if you can't get Enkidu. :l idk.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2009 10:38pm by EmotionBlues

The problem is that people are trying to make this piece benefit 1 of their set ups.

For ages most jobs that are not on haubergeon wanted a body that was the same as it. Now the option is there and everyone wants to either side grade or completely downgrade.

It's known that enkidus is your best option for tp/ws but it also lacks 5 dex. Tests were done and calculations and enkidu pretty much wins as best piece. Here's the chance to have a piece that is even better than enkidu for any set up and people want to downgrade.

Seems to me that people plan to mimic enkidu harness. I have enkidu harness already so im leaning towards something different.

Dex+5 Str +5 Agi +5. with Double Attack +2 and Dual wield +3.

I have 8/8 dagger merits.
Azoth/Joytoy
War Hoop
Optical Hat/Walahra
Peacock amulet
Suppa/Brutal
Enkidu's mittens
Thunder Ring/Accuracy ring/Rajas ring
Amemet mantle +1 (working on a etoile cape)
Swift Belt
Pahluwan seraweels/enkidu's subligar
Denali gamashes/enkidu's leggings.

Is more acc/att needed for this setup? I personally like the idea of faster TP vs higher DOT.
thoughts?

Nate's calculations in the BLU forum have pretty much confirmed the choice I'm going to make. Accuracy +10 and the Dual Wield enhancement really is too good to pass up. Not only does it improve our DoT (by virtue of having a substantial amount of rather easy-to-obtain haste gear and fully-merited Haste Samba) but I'm quite certain it has been confirmed that reducing your delay whilst Dual Wielding (as much as you can) significantly improves your TP gain over time - which, of course, is invaluable to DNC in whatever role they fill.

And I don't think there are a lot of gear options out there that can do both of those at the same time. Very exciting.

Thanks, Nate - for sharing your calculations.

What stands out to me at this moment is the +5 enmity augment. I just got Fan Dance and I'm thinking a Enmity setup for Fan Dance. Not on the Mirke, but maybe some high defense or evasion armor pieces. I'd like to be able to keep hate faster at the beginning of a fight before Waltzes allow me to.
And yeah everything else does too. This is so cool. I hope it's everything we hope it to be(within reason lol)

Edited, Mar 24th 2009 8:49am by Skreechy

I'm planning on adding EVA/Dual Wield.

It's going to be my Ballista body.

Or maybe help me add stats that will benefit DNC in what I do most now (Limbus, Merit, Dynamis, Ballista, Soro)

My current setup is as follows:
Jambiya/Joy/Warhoop
Walmart Turban (O.hat for WS)
Chiv Chain
Suppa/Diablos Earring
R.Harness (Ass jerkin for WS)
Dusk Gloves (Cobra for the ACC/WS)
Rajas/Ulthalems
Amemet+1
Swift Belt (Life Belt for WS)
Etoile Tights (Can swap in Cobra for more ACC but I like the STR/CHR for DE)
Dancers Toe shoes.

Any suggestions on what would be an OMG upgrade with this new body? The +10EVA and +DW is an OMG upgrade to my current Ballista setup (EVA) which is as follows:

Jamibya/Joy/Warhoop
O.Hat
Eva Torque
The +5/+3 eva earrings
Scorpion Harness
The +5 magey LV50 gear (Working on denali)
Ulthalems/ The +2EVA lv 45ish(?) ring
Bat Cape
Life Belt (No Scouter's on AH yet;;)
Crow pants
Dancers Toe Shoes


Eh, I added nothing productive to this thread...but maybe any advice given to me can help someone else!

Edited, Mar 24th 2009 12:49pm by Hiswhitewings

It is an OMG upgrade to me, most likely because I'm a ballista fanatic and everything I do is I keep bettering my ballista gear in mind. Thanks for giving me hard numbers though. It makes the comparison a lot easier to make.

My ballista ACC is fine since the opponent is about EM and I usually pop Crab Sushi for ACC if there are a lot of evasive jobs in the match.

But again, I really appreciate the numbers. Comparing numbers is a lot easier than comparing hypothetical situations.

First, read Nate's post above mine. Note that below 200 delay, tp gains are increased at a higher rate than any other range. Adding DW will STILL increase TP. As for comparing against Rapp, you're comparing 3 DW to 4 haste, and ignoring 5 STR 5 DEX and whatever else you put on here(10 acc is my choice). 10 ACC will always beat 1 % haste, unless you are capping acc at some point and losing some of the benefit of 10 acc.
Math:

Going from 79 to 80% haste is a 5% increase:
21/20=1.05
Going from 90% hit rate to 95% hit rate is a 5.55¯% increase:
95/90=1.055¯%

Incidentally, without any other haste, Rapp is worse than even SH(also, swift and life belt). It's equal to SH if SH caps your Acc and you have 24% haste before you use rapp. This is achievable with gear and haste samba. However, you usually are not capping acc. At a lower %, say, 80% hit rate(6.25% increase from 10 acc), it takes 32% haste before adding rapp makes it equal to SH, meaning you'd need 10% from haste samba, the 17% available from gear, and an additional form of haste, march or haste spell, to make it worth it.

Now the STR will give you 2.5~6.0% increase as well, and the 5 DEX is an additional 2.5 ACC, so in reality if you do the 10 ACC, and we exclude the 3% DW for a moment, the new armor gives atleast 9.24% increase(excluding the 2.5 ATK, and if you cap acc). Since you normally won't cap ACC, this number will generally be higher in any case. So already Rapp has to be at 53% haste before equipping it to be even. This requires 17% other haste in gear, haste samba 10%, Haste, and March. If you were at 80% hit rate, then this number would be 56% haste, which would require double march to match it. This goes even further if the fSTR goes up twice, or if you had lower damage weapons that I used(35 damage weapons with 2 fSTR).

This was all excluding the second stat. DW +3% in my opinion being the best of those, will add to the 20% you should already have(unless you don't /NIN) and would give you atleast a 3.896% increase. This is hands down much much better than Rapp, even if Rapp gets all the favors and support.

Edit: tagfail

Edited, Mar 24th 2009 7:47pm by Souji

on 1 hand weapons? I'd get DA before store TP, combining with brutal and Saber dance it'd help more than the little tp boost you'd get per hit.

Personally I'm toying with the an ev tank set up.

For tanking, I WAS trying to decide between antares harness' 8 eva or avalon's 3 emnitty.

Now I dont need to, +10 eva and +5 emnitty beats both pieces combined, thats 12.5 eva and a sizable chunk of emnitty.

If I can cap eva without it I'd prolly swap for double att/ crit rate + for my solo darkness SC and replace it with avalon breastplate's much higher def.

So 3% DW beats out 2% DA?

My chances of getting enkidu or relic body any time in the foreseeable future is pretty much nil so I'm looking to make this a DNC (and maybe BLU if I ever finish it) TP piece, but I'm torn between going acc/DW and acc/DA.

I did the ole standby 10 ACC 10 ATT. As my DNC isn't that high yet, I just went with a safe bet. I am sure I will have to change something once it is 75.

I went +3 dual wield +10 accuracy. I don't scorn people that went the Hauby route, but neither do I think it's the best choice.