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#1 Mar 11 2009 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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I hope I spelt that correctly. Anyway.
Now that I have Fan Dance. I'm thinking that it might be quite possible to solo Aquarius. What do you folks think? Here is what I'm currently geared up with.
75Dancer/Ninja
W:Azoth/Jambiya
Head:Walahra Turban/Panther Mask(ws)
Neck: Chiv. Chain
Body:Rapparee/SH(ws)/AF(waltz)
Hands:Dusk/Cobra(ws)/AF(steps)
Legs:Cobra/AF(ws)
Feet:Dusk/AF(jigs)/Cobra(optional for ws)
Waist:Life/Warwolf
Earrings:Spikex2
Rings:Woodsmanx2

Merits:(so far)
Dagger x2
Crit% x1
Reverse Flourish x3
Haste Samba x2
Saber Dance x1
Fan Dance x1

Think I can do it?
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#2 Mar 11 2009 at 12:05 PM Rating: Good
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You need eva setup.
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Aquarius is a very easy solo for NIN/DNC in evasion gear. DNC/NIN should easily be capable of soloing it, but I'd second that you should use evasion gear.
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#5 Mar 11 2009 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good
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Any suggestions on what to change out for an EVA build?
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#6 Mar 11 2009 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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Skreechy wrote:
Any suggestions on what to change out for an EVA build?

When I fought him NIN/DNC I only had about 20 Evade in gear, and made sure Blind/Slow/Para was always on him. I removed any -evade gear I had also, which at the time was both rings like you.
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#7 Mar 11 2009 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
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Also earring shouldn't be spike.

I'd use SH only using raparee for ustusemi

as for head OH if you have and turban for utsusemi
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#8 Mar 11 2009 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
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My EVA set for DNC:

Main/Sub: Jambiya/BK+1 (ideally you'd want Azoth/Ermine's)
Ranged: AF (not much for this slot, I would not use Tiphia Sting)
Head: OHat
Neck: Evasion Torque
Ear1: Ethereal (Elusive good if you don't have Ethereal)
Ear2: Evasion Earring
Body: SH+1
Hands: Cobra (relic hands would be good here if you have them)
Rings: Ulthalam's/Rajas (Wivre's are good if you want pure EVA)
Back: Boxer's
Waist: Scouter's
Legs: Cobra (not much available for this slot)
Feet: AF

So that's EVA skill+20, and evasion +44, or +49 with relic hands, +4 more with wivre rings (or +6 with HQ).
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#9 Mar 11 2009 at 5:58 PM Rating: Good
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My EVA set for DNC:

Main/Sub: Jambiya/BK+1 (ideally you'd want Azoth/Ermine's)
Ranged: AF (not much for this slot, I would not use Tiphia Sting)
Head: OHat
Neck: Evasion Torque
Ear1: Ethereal (Elusive good if you don't have Ethereal)
Ear2: Evasion Earring
Body: SH+1
Hands: Cobra (relic hands would be good here if you have them)
Rings: Ulthalam's/Rajas (Wivre's are good if you want pure EVA)
Back: Boxer's
Waist: Scouter's
Legs: Cobra (not much available for this slot)
Feet: AF

So that's EVA skill+20, and evasion +44, or +49 with relic hands, +4 more with wivre rings (or +6 with HQ).


I call that.....cheating XD

As I've stated several times before, Aquarius has horrible acc so even a modest eva build with some skill in casting shadows and using Violent flourish (which I have yet to see fail) you can take him down pretty easily. I've even fought him in full haste gear and saber dance full time, and most recently with no shihei (stupid me forgot to bring any XD)

Now if this is your first time going after him, I STRONGLY suggest attack food or else it will take you quite a while to take him down.

As for the build you posted....earrings are fine if you dont have brutal/suppa (would never take these off even for eva build) Neck I would probably go with eva torque, fulltime SH for the fight, get rid of woodsman rings (they have -eva right? I cant remember atm) and fulltime your AF feet for eva and att. Other than that, just leave the rest up to your skill.

And just in case you're wondering here are my builds...

TP:
Azoth/BK+1
W turban
eva torque
rapparee
dusk hands
etoile tights
dusk feet
swift belt
brutal/suppa
amemet +1
bibiki seashell

Eva:
body > SH+1
back > boxer's mantle
feet > Dancer's shoes
ammo > goblin cracker

That's all I like to afford in eva which still gives me 15% haste for utsu recasts. I also have full closed position merits and 3/4 evasion merits (which I didn't have when I started soloing Aquarius and still did it pretty easily).
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#10 Mar 12 2009 at 6:02 AM Rating: Good
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Cool. Thanks for the pointers folks. Some of that gear I can only drool over for a long long time. But I see what I need to do. Also, Lothiriel(sp?) How do you like that BK+1 on offhand. DO you think it's worth getting over my Jambiya? I'm starting to think that(new subject) while putting together a WS build, that I need more atk than anything. I'll post up my ws build later. Still experimenting with how much acc. I truly need for all 5 DE hits. I have been slowly working pieces into the mix and I am starting to think I need to stop worrying about working Dex or CHR into the mix and just concentrate on more atk.
Thans again for the help folks :)
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#11 Mar 12 2009 at 7:10 AM Rating: Good
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Skreechy wrote:
Cool. Thanks for the pointers folks. Some of that gear I can only drool over for a long long time. But I see what I need to do. Also, Lothiriel(sp?) How do you like that BK+1 on offhand. DO you think it's worth getting over my Jambiya? I'm starting to think that(new subject) while putting together a WS build, that I need more atk than anything. I'll post up my ws build later. Still experimenting with how much acc. I truly need for all 5 DE hits. I have been slowly working pieces into the mix and I am starting to think I need to stop worrying about working Dex or CHR into the mix and just concentrate on more atk.
Thans again for the help folks :)

I tried to find a post I made regarding exactly that, but I can't seem to find it...
Anyway, I'm assuming you have ~350 ATK, maybe a bit more or less. At 350, 10 ATK is a straight 2.857% increase vs an EM or lower target. Against something T or higher, it'll be a stronger increase, but you'll generally have some buffs anyway.
Two examples:
Lolbri as they're affectionately called on these forums:
Increase can be calced this way:
(((360/327)-.35)/((350/327)-.35)))= 4.306% increase.
With min IV Dia II:
(((421/295)-.35)/((411/295)-.35)))= 3.260% increase.

On a tougher enemy(Abraxas, who no one ever fights anymore):
(((360/367)-.40)/((350/367)-.40)))= 8.818% increase.
With Min IV Dia II:
(((421/330)-.40)/((411/330)-.40)))= 3.550% increase.

As you can see, the higher defense and level the target is, the more ATK helps you. As opposed to Jambiya, the base damage on Jambiya is ~ 1.449% total increase for DoT, and less on WS since it's only 1 hit. The 10 ATK from BK+1, however, will apply on WS as well, making it the better choice in general.
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#12 Mar 12 2009 at 7:48 AM Rating: Good
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Lothiriel's evasion set is pretty close to mine, though I add in Crow Hose (5 evasion on the legs) and Dancer's Shoes on the feet. Both are pretty affordable on the AH.

The nice thing is both peices work in a THF evasion set too. With reasonable usage of shadows you should hardly ever get hit.

Closed Position merits would of course also help, though I can't speak to them with first hand experience.
#13 Mar 12 2009 at 12:22 PM Rating: Good
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Drop some Master Caster's Mitts on for a ridiculous +10 evasion skill.
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<3 master caster's mitts :3
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Also, Lothiriel(sp?) How do you like that BK+1 on offhand. DO you think it's worth getting over my Jambiya?


I'm not going to number crunch, but I decided a while back that I would go with Jambiya/BK+1 for my dagger setup, because I can't afford Azoth yet. If I had Azoth I would go Azoth/BK+1. The extra attack should help your WSs more than 1 base D on your off-hand (also white box ftw).

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I call that.....cheating XD

As I've stated several times before, Aquarius has horrible acc so even a modest eva build with some skill in casting shadows and using Violent flourish (which I have yet to see fail) you can take him down pretty easily.


As for not needing as much evasion as I posted for Aquarius, that may be true, I've only fought the dude a couple of times, and it was on other jobs. That is just the gear I have available from my NIN, honestly I hardly ever play DNC :P But when I solo NIN, there are some circumstances when I want EVA in every single slot. OK I guess I'm not hard core enough for Wivre Rings yet... but I'm thinking about it.

Don't underestimate what adding another +8 or +10 to your evasion set will get you, it doesn't seem like a lot, but sometimes it can work wonders.

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Lothiriel's evasion set is pretty close to mine, though I add in Crow Hose (5 evasion on the legs) and Dancer's Shoes on the feet. Both are pretty affordable on the AH.


Good call on the Crow Hose, I forgot about those. I'm not sure extra +1 eva on Dance Shoes (versus Dancer's Toe Shoes) is enough to justify the inventory-1, but if you're hard core (or can get the HQ) go for it. Ideally you would probably want Emissary Boots (although I've seen some evidence posted in forums that indicate evasion may help more than evasion skill in many circumstances).

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Drop some Master Caster's Mitts on for a ridiculous +10 evasion skill.


Nice in theory, but not being able to use then im ToAU or WotG areas is a pretty big turn-off for me. I don't think I would carry them around unless I knew they would work everywhere. I would prefer Etoile Bangles, I think, overall.

Edited, Mar 13th 2009 8:08pm by Lothiriel
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#16 Mar 13 2009 at 4:17 PM Rating: Good
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As for not needing as much evasion as I posted for Aquarius, that may be true, I've only fought the dude a couple of times, and it was on other jobs. That is just the gear I have available from my NIN, honestly I hardly ever play DNC :P But when I solo NIN, there are some circumstances when I want EVA in every single slot. OK I guess I'm not hard core enough for Wivre Rings yet... but I'm thinking about it.

Don't underestimate what adding another +8 or +10 to your evasion set will get you, it doesn't seem like a lot, but sometimes it can work wonders.


Sorry, wasnt really directed towards you. My emphasis however was towards the OP and him not needing to add much more gear to his current setup in order to be able to beat Aquarius. But by all means, if you have access to a lot of evasion gear then use it. Personally I fight this nm quite a bit and well...it gets boring after a while, so I challenge myself by using different methods/setups to see whats possible.

Now when I finally take on Kreutzet solo, yeah....I'm going all out in evasion gear and never taking it off XD.
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#17 Mar 14 2009 at 5:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thanks everyone for all the advice etc. Just finished up with the evil crab. lol
So many people in game doubting me lol. It was quite easy, took a little while with a cautious approach. Here's what I used for my eva. setup.

Head: Emperor Hairpin (already had)
Neck: Evasion Torque
Earrings: Velocity/Dodge(not much on AH that I wanted to spend money on these were pretty cheap)
Ring: took off one woodsman and replaced other with Garrulous I had laying around)
only things i really changed
Worked better of course when I had SH on body
Fan Dance is a must I think for DNC. Maybe not.
Ran out of Shihei about half way thru fight. Lol used a bit more than I had thought earlier today lmao. Got a little bit more rough, but not that much.
It just meant I wouldnt be sitting on 250-300tp
Good fight
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#18 Mar 15 2009 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
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For those without access to Master Caster's Mitts, please see Patrician's Cuffs (eva skill +6 among other skills, too bd healing magic skill doesn't affect waltz).

Thats what im using until i can get rank 8. And they're pretty easy to camp or buy.

Edited, Mar 15th 2009 2:10pm by RattyBatty
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#19 Mar 16 2009 at 9:12 AM Rating: Decent
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For those without access to Master Caster's Mitts, please see Patrician's Cuffs (eva skill +6 among other skills, too bd healing magic skill doesn't affect waltz).

Thats what im using until i can get rank 8. And they're pretty easy to camp or buy.


Any idea if the NM can be solo'ed by DNC/NIN or NIN/DNC?

Edited, Mar 16th 2009 2:43pm by Lothiriel
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#20 Mar 16 2009 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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I think i found somewhere hes in the level 80s, he's THF mob. Not found many account of him being killed but i think one was done with a trio WHM BLU and i think a NIN (corrected). You can try soloing and report your findings, or just bring a tank and keep them alive, should work well. I was gona go camp it solo for fun but ended up just buying it since its relatively cheap at least on carbuncle, and i plan to sell it back when i get rank 8 anyway.

As for camping, it seems to be the straightforward lottery pop of quadav in the area, and the usual few hours in between. I never set foot in a beastman[s] HQ so that's all i can tell you.


Edited, Mar 17th 2009 6:20pm by RattyBatty
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#21 Mar 16 2009 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
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I just had a go at the big crab. Was a nice fight, mostly calm with a few Osh!t moments to spice it up. Fan dance was a big big help for when shadow timers were down. Eva build was also probably hugely helpful.

My steps of choice were DEF down and Mdef down (for stun). Violent Flourish was a must for ichi. And for the most part i was fine eva tanking when both utsu were down for 10 seconds. Also I got lucky that a fresh Fan Dance was up when he would start getting a lucky ACC streak on me a couple times. At the last few slivers of HP he seemed to get an ACC and crit streak, maybe bad luck but be on your toes, i got too comfortable and he almost got me there.

Dropped 18k and full drops list.

Eva build was Ohat, SH, Torque, AF shoes, Crow legs, Patrician's Cuffs.
Used Fan Dance and Jelly Ring for defense.
Used NPC for protect and shell, he died real quick lol.
Ate crab sushi to rub it in his face.
Fight was 30-45 minutes, never went under 200 TP.

Highly recommend this solo its great practice and good fun.


Edited, Mar 16th 2009 4:49pm by RattyBatty
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My steps of choice were DEF down and Mdef down (for stun)


Stutter step is not needed, as long as you land the hit, the stun will proc on this NM. I will let you guys know once I have seen it fail but for now I'll continue to believe that VF will land 100%.
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I was doing it more as superstition because i did have a couple .5 second stun durations at first. Keeping that step on him seemed to eliminate that kind of resist.

Edited, Mar 16th 2009 6:02pm by RattyBatty
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Nice in theory, but not being able to use then im ToAU or WotG areas is a pretty big turn-off for me. I don't think I would carry them around unless I knew they would work everywhere. I would prefer Etoile Bangles, I think, overall.


When was this discovered? I don't see why you need Signet for Master Caster's Mitts to kick in? It Doesn't say "In own nation's control"

Don't the windurst knives have +5 acc no matter where you are etc? Why would those mitts be an exception?

Edited, Mar 16th 2009 10:42pm by RattyBatty
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RattyBatty wrote:

When was this discovered? I don't see why you need Signet for Master Caster's Mitts to kick in? It Doesn't say "In own nation's control"

Don't the windurst knives have +5 acc no matter where you are etc? Why would those mitts be an exception?
It does. About needing Signet, having that is what makes you see the increase in the combat skill menu that you won't see if you don't have Signet on.
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I see, the alla pic was wrong.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?fitem=3208

In that clase glad i got me those Patrician's.


Edited, Mar 16th 2009 11:44pm by RattyBatty
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Nice, I didn't know about Patrician's Cuffs. Smiley: thumbsup
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...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
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Ditto! Time to go kill me a new quadav.
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#29 Mar 17 2009 at 8:33 AM Rating: Good
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Is Hundredfist a mob you have to wait on us to control area to get?
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Skreechy wrote:
Is Hundredfist a mob you have to wait on us to control area to get?
Apparently not. Seems pretty manageable with a small group.
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Make sure and report back any solo attempts, be it fail or win.


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Sweet. I'll be reporting back on this one soon.
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#33 Mar 19 2009 at 1:02 PM Rating: Good
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So far Ihave found no one that wants to venture out to Beadeux(s) with me. Anyone else on Bismarck want to come along?
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#34 Mar 27 2009 at 8:30 AM Rating: Default
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A couple nights ago I was farming/skilling-up in The Boyada Tree, I was with my LS leader who was on BST 75. I'm not sure if he aggroed or if he pulled it but within under a min his HP was falling into blood red. I used No Foot Rise and Reverese Flourish and rushed up to cure him and had hate from him and his pet the entire time.

The only peices of eva I use are from my Azoth (the agi), Optical Hat, and AF1 feet, and 4 evasion merits. I had Fan Dance for the most part but I got bored and started to use Saber Dance for the last portion. This fight is a joke the only thing the BST really did was make it die faster as a second body and a pet because he compleatly relied on me for curing. I'm sure any 75 DNC with merits could take Aquarius to town.
#35 Mar 30 2009 at 7:52 AM Rating: Excellent
Duo'd with a NIN/DNC friend. Even with two links the fight was a huge yawn-fest. I tanked it for a portion of the fight with little eva gear and subbing SAM with no problems. I can see this being an easy solo with an ok eva set up.
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