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#1 Mar 09 2009 at 1:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Jambiya is 110k, and BK+1 is 140k...so virtually the same. (30k doesn't mean much to me right now).

What will mean more to me, the +10 att or the extra 1 point of damage? I'm not one of those damage calculator guys, sorry. If they are about the same, I'd rather have the Jambiya, not only because it is a hair cheaper, but because it looks cool.
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#2 Mar 09 2009 at 2:29 PM Rating: Good
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Guess the first question is what do you have mainhanded?

Jambiya has higher DPS than BK+1 (9.85 vs 9.55) delay is same, and there is a small HP difference. But the biggest diff is that of the 10+ attack of the BK+1 which if offhanded will of course apply to everything (both TPing and WSing) instead of the sole DPS of a single dagger (think i said that right lol) So your choice will solely depend on what you are mainhanding and offhanding.

Oh and you said that the 30k price diff doesn't matter that much to you but then you say that you would pick jambiya because "its a hair cheaper" o.O?
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#3 Mar 09 2009 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Right, the 30k difference won't break me, but if there's not much difference anyhow, I'd just as soon save the 30k.

I'm talking about mainhanding. Right now, lvl 71, i'm offhanding Joyeuse (8/8 swords). When I hit 75 i have merits ready to unlock saber dance, and will be going dagger/dagger. I'll plan on offhanding CU Knife, probably.

I can't afford an Azoth, so its between the BH+1 and the Jambiya. Just want to know what would be better main hand.
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Easy way is to go with "It doesn't matter"

Stupid way is go with BK+1.
Assuming you have 350 attack for TPing without the knife and you have fSTR=7,
Going with BK+1: 10/350 = ~2.8% increase
Going with Jambiya: (33+7)/(32+7) = ~2.5% increase

so yeah, 30k for 0.3% increase. It's totally up to you.
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#5 Mar 11 2009 at 3:03 PM Rating: Default
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I would get both and not bother with the CUK. With Joyeuse off-hand you will never notice a difference between the two, so use whichever you like.

Edited, Mar 11th 2009 7:04pm by Lothiriel
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#6 Mar 13 2009 at 8:51 AM Rating: Good
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I want an Amir Jambiya.
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Then do scout the ashu talif a lot :p

The Star Sapphire required to craft a Khimaira Jambiya required to craft Amir Jambiya only drop from this and since no one ever do this, the supply is very low.

Also if it were to drop, you'd prolly have to buy the share of your compadres which is still very high.

Edited, Mar 13th 2009 2:13pm by Delarius
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#8 Mar 13 2009 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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VZX wrote:
Easy way is to go with "It doesn't matter"

Stupid way is go with BK+1.
Assuming you have 350 attack for TPing without the knife and you have fSTR=7,
Going with BK+1: 10/350 = ~2.8% increase
Going with Jambiya: (33+7)/(32+7) = ~2.5% increase

so yeah, 30k for 0.3% increase. It's totally up to you.

That's the easy answer, here is the slightly more detailed answer:
Me in Aquarius thread wrote:

At 350, 10 ATK is a straight 2.857% increase vs an EM or lower target. Against something T or higher, it'll be a stronger increase, but you'll generally have some buffs anyway.
Two examples:
Lolbri as they're affectionately called on these forums:
Increase can be calced this way:
(((360/327)-.35)/((350/327)-.35)))= 4.306% increase.
With min IV Dia II:
(((421/295)-.35)/((411/295)-.35)))= 3.260% increase.

On a tougher enemy(Abraxas, who no one ever fights anymore):
(((360/367)-.40)/((350/367)-.40)))= 8.818% increase.
With Min IV Dia II:
(((421/330)-.40)/((411/330)-.40)))= 3.550% increase.

As you can see, the higher defense and level the target is, the more ATK helps you. As opposed to Jambiya, the base damage on Jambiya is ~ 1.449% total increase for DoT, and less on WS since it's only 1 hit. The 10 ATK from BK+1, however, will apply on WS as well, making it the better choice in general.

Out of curiosity, outside soloing DC/EP, where would a DNC have +7 fSTR?

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Lothiriel wrote:
I would get both and not bother with the CUK. With Joyeuse off-hand you will never notice a difference between the two, so use whichever you like.
Definitely ditch the CUK. It's a crappy dagger that only looks impressive because of low delay, but really doesn't help much. As for Joy, well, my opinions are pretty clear in this thread.

Edited, Mar 13th 2009 2:31pm by Souji
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#9 Mar 16 2009 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Okay, well BK+1 is coming down in price, at 120k now. So I may end up getting both, and ditch the CK. :)

Also, as I said, Joyeuse is for use simply from 70 thru 74. As soon as I ding 75, I'll unlock saber dance and do Jambiya/BK+1. Solo, however, against EP colibri, I still think the Joyeuse might be the better choice, but I'll just have to try it out once i ding 75.
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