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#1 Mar 01 2009 at 7:51 AM Rating: Default
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they overwrite each other!

I have had both of them for a while now and was gonna do a campaign and discovered that they dont stack >.>;
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#2 Mar 01 2009 at 8:42 AM Rating: Good
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That's really okay though, at least for the purpose of campaign battle. Fan dance will only reduce the amount of exp you get because you'll take less damage (less exp) and have less curing to do (less exp). I probably wouldn't advise Sword Dance either, since so much exp comes from waltzes.
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#3 Mar 01 2009 at 9:17 AM Rating: Good
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So you're saying you would rather have higher double attack rate and damage reduction AND no sambas OR waltzes? o.O








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#4 Mar 01 2009 at 9:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Sorry if this is hard to understand, english isn't my first language and it's the middle of the night so I'm half asleep XD.

Saber Dance has its uses in campaign, such as when you're be beating on fortifications, or there's be so many NPCs swarming that it'd take an act of God for you to take hate and thereby take dmg to be cured, or when a yag blows your weapons off right after you hit reverse flourish and you need TP FAST.

As for Fan dance, I was very unimpressed with it, so I cancelled the one upgrade I put into it and put it into closed position instead. I guess it might get better with higher upgrades, but it seemed like a pretty big waste to me with only one.
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#5 Mar 01 2009 at 7:00 PM Rating: Good
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I keep reading so many complaints of why people are dissapointed in Fan Dance and Saber Dance. I'm having more fun and I feel I have been made better with such useful tools. Here are some of my experiences that make me love these merits even more.

Fan Dance:
Took a 0 dmg Vorpal Blade to the face from PLD Sea Torque NM that previously 1 shoted PLD tank. Have a surplus of TP? Feel like cure bombing and end up tanking? NO PROBLEM BUDDY!!! Campaign boss' spamming 1.5k dmg TP moves? Oh look only the DNC's and NPC's are left standing. In general this move allows me to sidestep my squishyness.


Saber Dance:
For those of you with 4-digit syndrome, Saber Dance+Dancing Edge=Wow.
Ripping hate away from a Ninja, Dark Knight, Samurai, and Warrior, and not even noticing do to your shadows and evasion. You'll be feeling awfully cheeky at that point. You can even pretend your curing by imitating an aoe Blood Weapon by adding it with Drain Samba, but don't worry your the one with hate anyways. Saber Dance is just an all around great way to increase your TP gain, DoT, and (cough*epeen*cough) WS's.


To those of you dissapointed that you can't use both dances simultaniously or are terrified of being crippled by temporarily loosing your Waltzs or Sambas, they both more than make up for the loss. I emplore you to at least give them a try. You can simply cancel the effect if you need acess to your watlz or samba abilities, and if you really don't like them you can always lower them.

#6 Mar 02 2009 at 1:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Saber dance definitely has a huge bonus to added damage and you can easily cancel it and use your instant healing tp moves, so I don't really see a down side in it. Definitely a perk for dnc to gain some tp or deal more damage.

Fan dance seems more like you toss one merit into it and use it when you're about to get rocked. The +15 enmity on it definitely has it's uses. You might be taking less damage, but if it can help you keep hate to keep curing yourself you may end up getting more xp. I see no benefit from anything after 1/5 though.

It's basically like a dnc version of berserk and defender, use one when you need to be defensive and the other when you want to be offensive.
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#7 Mar 02 2009 at 7:42 AM Rating: Good
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It wasnt really a complaint. Just more of an observation that i thought worth shareing. If the rare circumstance were to happen that you needed both, now you know you cant.

@ KaishenRamuh - I have never had trouble in campaign capping my exp. Also if i were to die to an NM then i lose exp, fan dance keeps me up and going. I even start useing Cyclone for the magic damage, after i've capped my other dmg.

mostly though Fan dance really shines in a duo with a sch. Stoneskin + phalanx. Or straight blink tanking with stoneskin back up, whilst Saber danceing.
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#8 Mar 02 2009 at 11:20 AM Rating: Decent
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I probably wouldn't advise Sword Dance either, since so much exp comes from waltzes.


A lot of EXP comes from damage and even just plain hits, though...

I'd say it's still worth using, but don't forget to allow yourself some Waltz time, as well.
#9 Mar 02 2009 at 12:37 PM Rating: Good
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Usually in high pressure situations you don't want to have saber dance up - however it's excellent for building tp at the start of a fight, soloing, and during meripos if you have a competent healer. Usually if I need hp while using Saber I just pop up Drain Samba III - with a haste build and /nin sub you're attacking so much your hp climbs back up rather quickly.

Edited, Mar 2nd 2009 3:39pm by ShibayamaG
#10 Mar 02 2009 at 12:38 PM Rating: Good
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I love Saber Dance. I've had it a few weeks now and it's just so much fun to use. Of course, in campaign it would be good to try and get a Body Boost item so that you dont really have to worry about taking it off til a few minutes into it. Although if you don't use /nin, you won't get near as much usefulness out of it.IMO( I could totally be wrong on that, but much better seeing 4 swings in a row than just 2)
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#11 Mar 11 2009 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Fan dance will only reduce the amount of exp you get because you'll take less damage


That's where you provoke a second mob!
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#12 Mar 12 2009 at 6:24 AM Rating: Good
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I expect to die in campaign most of the time anyway(easier on your mind going into it). When some idiot came along with 5 mobs that he aggroed b/c he had no clue wtf he was doing the other day. I threw up Fan Dance, Animated Flourished the lead mob. Then I proceeded to run them away from where the idiot deposited them lol. I now had,I believe, 5 quads chasing me. 1 Curing waltz 4 and then it was Trance time. Thank God for reduced timer on Trance. I think I ended up Waltzing about 5-7k in hp before I went down. RR, got back up and went back to it. 5 waves of mobs that battle, turned in tags after wave 3 for about 7.5k and then when battle ended completely I was sitting on about 10k in exp.
Fan Dance saves the day! Was sooo much fun. Dancer is like a whole new job now. Unless I'm fighting a terribly hard mob, I dont even need utsu 95% of the time now.


Edited, Mar 12th 2009 9:25am by Skreechy
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#13 Mar 12 2009 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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I think the more important message isnt "Fan dance overwrites Saber dance" but more "Fan dance will remove your current samba". I for one always thought I'd at least be able to keep the one i put up before FD, but nope it gets taken off. IMO that is more worthy of a thread than this.
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#14 Mar 13 2009 at 5:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Another interesting thing i noticed about fan dance. When i have it on, it stays long after 9 hits. Also when i was killing tigers in the glacier, (I havent gone back to test this yet) I would get links and the new tiger seemed to be gettin the 90%, 80% and so on dmg reduction, I didnt really pay much attention to it at the time...

So the question i have is this, Does Fan Dance reduce the first 9 hits from each mob? or just the first 9 hits it gets from any source.
My first theory is that it works for the first 9 hits for each mob per Fan Dance.
If no one has tested this ill do some tests this weekend.
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#15 Mar 15 2009 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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Another interesting thing i noticed about fan dance. When i have it on, it stays long after 9 hits.


Thats cuz it stays at (i think 5%?) until the ability times out. It's not 9 hits then it wears off.
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#16 Mar 15 2009 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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bwood wrote:
My first theory is that it works for the first 9 hits for each mob per Fan Dance.
If no one has tested this ill do some tests this weekend.

By all means, go ahead and test it, but everything I've seen (and I use Fan Dance a lot) is that it goes down for all mobs, and does not keep track of a specific % for each of them.
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#17 Mar 16 2009 at 7:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmm let's see, just from eyeball when I was tanking Shadowhand + 9 orcs that I accidently aggroed..yeah it doesn't keep track of each monster, just a % in general even in the spam of Shadowhand's weapon skills (all of which did 20-110 dmg)+ the attacks of 9 orcs I never dropped to orange or red for a solid minute if I didn't waltz.
#18 Mar 17 2009 at 5:58 AM Rating: Good
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Nice!
I wanted to add.
Last night I soloed 2 Elite Guard Quads in campaign. I grabbed one off of the group as it was incoming. Then a buddy linked onto it. At first I was a little worried, but.....WOW! I soloed these 2 for 10 minutes. Until I didnt pay attention to the Paralyze on me and didn't get Fan Dance off. So I ran them over to a group and finished them off, but WOW~!~ Did not think I could do that.....
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#19 Mar 17 2009 at 6:10 AM Rating: Good
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Last night I did dagger WSNM with a BST friend, he had a VT scorpion helping, in my past experience i knew there was no way i was taking hate off that thing without /war. But i popped Fan Dance and did an animated flourish just to be sure i had higher hate when his pet dies.

To my amazement every single time i used animated flourish it would turn to me for a few hits, off a VT scorpion! It really felt like Fan Dance made my minivoke into a full power voke with that +emnity.

Very interesting to find out, thought I'd share in case it wasnt discussed.
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#20 Mar 17 2009 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
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Think I can solo the WSNM?
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#21 Mar 17 2009 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
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I was gona try but after sharing hate with the scorpion, let me tell you I was glad he was taking the heat off me quickly lol. Shadows would drop almost instantly even in my evasion build.

But, if you have a BST friend have him 2 hour a VT scorpion an you can duo it no problem, just be sure to do what i did, fan dance and Animated Flourish it every time it's up to give the pet a break.

We ended the fight with his VT scorp at 50%, and we were sharing hate 50/50, so if i just let it tank it woulda been close.

Edited, Mar 17th 2009 6:10pm by RattyBatty
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#22 Mar 18 2009 at 5:38 AM Rating: Good
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GJ. Gonna have to go do that soon.
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