Sigh, so this turns into a play style argument.
Mention a situation where self-darkness is something practical AND beneficial.
Like I said, please read and comprehend my statements before you comment. I never said using self darkness is the way to go, I laughed at the notion that some how faster tp gain is not something to strive for, something that enkidu and etoile have over AF+1, if acc is not an issue which it usually is not. Some how you have this idea that faster tp gain through the use of other gear is only wanted for self darkness...
I can understand Etoils is a better TP piece than Dancer's Tights+1 but not Enkidu. The only thing that Enkidu can do better than Tights+1/Etoile is giving 15 TP return from Evisceration instead of 14. So you can do 5FM RF for 75 TP and another 2 connected hit in a round for reaching 100TP Pyrrhic.
Other than that, I don't see any usage of it. Hence I mentioned self-darkness and I said it clearly it's an eye candy because it's basically impractical.
For self-curing, you have another 5 VIT. and it doesn't make my statement any less right. It's still THE best piece for curing.
Yes, which is why I laughed when we are toying with the idea of spending time and effort to upgrade a piece of gear that slightly
boosts curing. Curing that can be done just fine with out the upgraded pants.
Please laugh at the fact we are also debating minimal thing of Enkidu's Subligar vs Dancer's tights+1.
Dancer's Tights+1 offer you 1 slot for : TP gain, best DE piece, curing, and self-curing.
Enkidu's subligar offer you 1 slot for : TP gain, all round WS piece, and that's it.
Dancer's tights+1 offer more than Enkidu could.
If you have Etoile tights, then your Enkidu's subligar is only good for WS usage.
Sure, they are the best pants for curing, but that's why I said "And I'm just gonna stop you now before you go on a pointless rant on how we should be gearing ourselves for +chr for our cures". Guess I didn't stop you though.
Reason for stopping me? because "well, you're right, but I don't wanna argue with that, let's look at that 4DEX 4STR and 5 STP there"
What situation again?
The situation where you want to use Pyrrhic instead of DE? then see my post below.
I refer to where I said "Please read and comprehend my statements before you bash them". I never said it's only good for PK, I said it's good for tp gain compared to the tights, if acc is not an issue. I suppose I can keep mentioning this...but it's getting old very fast.
And you didn't see I'm saying repeatedly it's not better than Dancer's tights+1?
Oh by the way, I searched for "please read and comprehend my statements..." phrase in this page, and the only match is the first quote I made above.
3 accuracy and 3 attack against Enkidu's Subligar. and extra 5 accuracy and 5 attack against NQ Dancer's Tight. It's a big upgrade compared to the other AF->AF+1 upgrade.
It's 2 extra accuracy over the NQ tights since the NQ tights come with 3 accuracy already. Please tell me you noticed that. Also, I only bring up Enkidu because it allows certain gear sets to go from making 10tp/round to 11 (read: my gear set), more then making up for the extra 3 accuracy from +1 tights in the vast majority of situations.
Yes, I noticed that. You can state the difference as minimal as you want from your point of view, but they are there.
I'll make this simple. For DE damage, the pants can't be beat. They are slightly better, I conceit that =P. But for tp gain, etoile or enkidu is still better as long as acc isn't something laughable like 50%.
Here we go again... you can put any difference x accuracy x attack to a word : slightly
, yet you keep mentioning the boost from 11 TP/hit to 10 TP/hit as if it's not something slightly
Math wise? Let's say acc was something like 60% (lol...) with Enkidu's subligar. With my setup (which isn't anything special by far), I get 11tp/hit. Over 100 attack rounds, thats 660tp.
Let's compare this to +1 tights, they have 3 acc over enkidu which means about 1.5% acc. I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and round up. at 62% acc, with 10tp/hit, that's 620tp. Obviously, you know which one is better.
uhhh.. 100 attack rounds is like.. 5 minutes of swinging your weapons at super haste speed and not doing any JA at all. and all you got is the... theoretical 40 TP? that's laughable. You got hit, you double attack... oh wait,
you realize Store TP is basically not DW-er thing? nope, I don't see it you got this. Furthermore, if you really praise the STP that much, you probably gonna against the usage of suppanomimi in your TP gain setup because it reduces the TP gained per hit landed.
The difference between then even grows the higher your acc is! At 85% acc with Enkidu, your tp gain over 100 rounds is 935, and with +1 tights it's 870. The difference is slight, but there. Obviously the better tp piece is proven. And yet, even if you had Enkidu or AF+1 tights, Etoile still beats them, so why even bother focusing on such a lame piece of AF+1? Spend your time and effort and get something that isn't so easily phased out and benefits more then just 1 WS.
Yeah, because Enkidu can boost your other 2 WS that do less damage than DE is making Dancer's tights+1 lame. Perfect analysis.
Oh before you call me a butthurtfag that doesn't have the stuff and trying to do analysis so I can sway people from seeing Enkidu's subligar as a better choice: I have 3 of them, and Enkidu's subligar is totally put for my BLU multi-hit spellcasting only.