Souji no I made a mistake with my understanding of how the website worded it. It works just like SAM, which in the end it does not make any real difference in fact I think doing them all at once gives you the same rate. I also noticed however you didn't include Haste the spell I don't know if it was an oversight or not, or you just don't see it often. I know I have to ask mages to haste me which is kind of irritating sometimes since I am supporting them. Anyhow I did some looking into it TP is not decreased so it does not work like DW and therefore must be lumped in with the remaining haste.
Ah. Thanks for checking, good to have it clear. About my not adding haste in, I think I just neglected to add it from laziness, not sure. While I do have a harder time getting haste in parties recently, it should be expected. I don't remember the exact reason.
Also in regards to the BS+1 ever since I started on my RDM melee career I have leveled cooking to make it myself (far cheeper that way.) As for hate pulling, just like any job RDM and DNC both take hate when they WS (due to the nature of tankless TP burn style.) Birds ocasionally Nab my food, or take my TP (why I wait a few seconds before RF on DNC just incase), or ram a PF down my throat. Personally the reason I use Bream +1 is solely for the use of the joytoy, for reasons outlined above. Droping WS's (back to back sometimes depending on WS TP return and Subsequent attack round +RF) and having "free" TP from the Joy DA is just to much for me to pass up.
Yeah, I'm sure if you have cooking and fishing(not sure if you do) it would be alot cheaper. I was kinda just going with what I can expect people to use, even if I were able to afford something better(I'm pretty bad at making money so I'd rather use crab, but I could possibly afford to use squid with some extra work).
This also stems from my RDM melee where in certain camps I would /DNC for ACC increase and free erase (hi2u dirty mamools), I found the DA on Joyeuse then allowed me to keep "free" TP to apply Samba, do some Cures etc. If SE knew what was what they would make a Joyeuse equivelent dagger (ie. one with decent DMG unlike Mkris).
This is the part of the discussion where I have less of the experience, from a DD only prospective, Dag/Dag will beat Dag/Joy even with a specialized setup, if only for the ATK. WS will be close to the same, but the increase frequency shouldn't make up for the damage, because classes like THF, DNC, NIN, MNK all have a much higher % of damage from melee than they do WS. My NIN, Melee/WS ratio, is between 80/20 and 70/30; THF is usually around 60/40, and MNKs are usually similar to my NIN stats. I can only assume DNC is probably the same, especially since you'll use tp up for heals and other things along the way which will increase time spent meleeing vs WSing.
However, if you want to be able to have extra tp in short amounts of time, and are not in a group with a large amount of haste making haste more worth it, there may be merit in using a acc heavy joy setup. I personally wouldn't still I think, but at that point alone I could agree it's a choice matter. edit: Moved a response to a more appropriate location Edited, Jan 28th 2009 3:23pm by Souji