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#52 Sep 02 2012 at 10:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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I will say a few things that come to mind Zelduh. Your point is that Jinte's math is purely hypothetical and not necessarily accurate because your "experiences" in the field as you put it differ from what her math indicates, and you use a world is flat/round analogy to depict this. I have to say that, if anything, I believe your analogy is backwards. Jinte makes several points given information and formulas painstakingly developed, tested, and proven by several other individuals establishing just how significant the difference between Monk and Puppetmaster would be in a standard situation, and your responses to it give no empirical information to back up your point, just your own personal experiences. Jinte better fits of a scientist attempting to prove that the world is round using data gathered, and you're the individual trying to prove that it's flat because you claimed to have reached the edge but aren't giving any proof that you ever did (not using this analogy to say I think you're wrong necessarily, just using it as an example).

Part of the scientific method to support a hypothesis involves tangible testing and being able to produce results that can be analyzed and, in turn, be tested by others. While Jinte is sitting pretty much on the prediction step of the method, you yourself have already jumped to the analysis step without showing any of your own evidence to support your claims. One of the reasons that your arguments are coming under such criticism is that, while you're fervently arguing one point, you're not actually giving any empirical data to support it. If you gave us clear, tangible information that could be analyzed and tested by others, it'd be one thing, since then we'd be able to either see you're right or perhaps see some erroneous piece that might have inadvertently skewed your tests in your favor. As it stands though, your argument is nothing anyone could go out and duplicate because you're not giving us enough to work with. You're giving your opinion, but not giving enough facts to really support it.

SRD, let's leave the insults out, okay?

Edited, Sep 2nd 2012 12:32pm by Vlorsutes


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#53 Sep 02 2012 at 12:29 PM Rating: Good
Vlorsutes wrote:
I will say a few things that come to mind Zelduh. Your point is that Jinte's math is purely hypothetical and not necessarily accurate because your "experiences" in the field as you put it differ from what her math indicates, and you use a world is flat/round analogy to depict this. I have to say that, if anything, I believe your analogy is backwards. Jinte makes several points given information and formulas painstakingly developed, tested, and proven by several other individuals establishing just how significant the difference between Monk and Puppetmaster would be in a standard situation, and your responses to it give no empirical information to back up your point, just your own personal experiences. Jinte better fits of a scientist attempting to prove that the world is round using data gathered, and you're the individual trying to prove that it's flat because you claimed to have reached the edge but aren't giving any proof that you ever did (not using this analogy to say I think you're wrong necessarily, just using it as an example).

Part of the scientific method to support a hypothesis involves tangible testing and being able to produce results that can be analyzed and, in turn, be tested by others. While Jinte is sitting pretty much on the prediction step of the method, you yourself have already jumped to the analysis step without showing any of your own evidence to support your claims. One of the reasons that your arguments are coming under such criticism is that, while you're fervently arguing one point, you're not actually giving any empirical data to support it. If you gave us clear, tangible information that could be analyzed and tested by others, it'd be one thing, since then we'd be able to either see you're right or perhaps see some erroneous piece that might have inadvertently skewed your tests in your favor. As it stands though, your argument is nothing anyone could go out and duplicate because you're not giving us enough to work with. You're giving your opinion, but not giving enough facts to really support it.

SRD, let's leave the insults out, okay?

Edited, Sep 2nd 2012 12:32pm by Vlorsutes


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#54 Sep 03 2012 at 1:38 AM Rating: Good
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Didn't Devs say recently say they were going to reducing dmg pets take from AoE in voidwatch? Or was that just a fever dream?

Edited, Sep 3rd 2012 12:40am by Olorinus
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#55 Sep 07 2012 at 3:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Zelduh doesn't deserve response...

But as this goes on. Without math, i can say Pup won't get near a mnk's DD by far (concidering mnk a dd, might be debatable in my opinion also)

Qilin is not end-game. By far. most jobs can cap ACC and fanatics ride till it dies, anyone can do. If talking VW, try Ig-alima vs a good mnk, which already falls behind greatly to war/drk.

Also outside VW superbuffs have pup falling further behind by far on anything remotly though. Even ADL never will a pup get near a MNK. tbh i think impetus alone would do trick.

This is coming from dedicated pup (with mnk leveled for LS/VW purpose) 95 vere, 5/5 thaumas, 5/5 athos, all attachments, Murzim Zucchetto (for lolz) and lots of other ra/ex stuff. If it's gear u attacking jinte for. So far jinte, even without having the gear, is yet to prove me wrong. And i have been testing it all.

Would still not bring pup to any events which brings more then 6 ppl. Just fall behind, and not worth the spot to buff if u could put any other WAR/DRK/SAM/MNK in that spot.

#56 Sep 07 2012 at 4:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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#58 Sep 07 2012 at 8:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ok people, what the ****. Why does this issue keep coming back

Jinte, Knock it off, you know better than to start up crap like this once an admin has asked for it to stop.Now I'm the Admin, and I ain't asking...

Zelduh, You keep starting this **** back up. I'm tired of it. Drop it. You're about a hair away from a Ban at this point, and while Jinte took it too far, this mess is your fault as much as hers if not moreso.

The next one of you that starts in on this again is going to be taking a very long, possibly permanent vacation. Feel free to find out if I'm bluffing (here's a free hint though, I'm not)...

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