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#1 May 09 2011 at 9:26 PM Rating: Good
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Can't say what skill level you need, but I tested it out in Abyssea just now.

With VV, RR, MC, I'm getting 950-1300 average.

But the best part is: Stringing Pummel <> String Shedder = Darkness.

Going to test Armor Shatterer now...
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#2 May 09 2011 at 9:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm just going to assume it's 300. Still upset that Burts is 1 tp. It's the same as the bst axe from level 77.

Hopefully Armor Shatterer is awesome.
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Quick, someone test String Ripper > String Ripper!
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Armor Shatterer was averaging 700 with the same Atma listed above. Probably gets higher damage with proper atma. And no visible SC, at least nothing level 3.

Also, bug found. Puppet's killshots (not WS kill shot) is giving ruby lights.
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Copy from other thread I posted in. This one wasn't up when I started. =X

Went to Abyssea Mis. Valoredge with 328 melee skill (took off +2 pants) has String Shredder.
Fought an EP Peapuk. First WS was at 100%TP with VV/RR/GH, Spring 1 and 2. Did 1493 with no maneuvers.

Second was at 150 TP, same set, 1773

Going to switch to Sharpshot now.

Sharpshot with 291 Ranged used Armor Piercer with no maneuvers. Put on +2 pants, still no new WS at 301. These new WS are probably around 305-325.

Tested String SHredder Maneuver. Kept up a Light and cycled through all the other maneuvers. Light+Thunder trigger new WS.
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#6 May 09 2011 at 11:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Copy from other thread I posted in. This one wasn't up when I started. =X

Went to Abyssea Mis. Valoredge with 328 melee skill (took off +2 pants) has String Shredder.
Fought an EP Peapuk. First WS was at 100%TP with VV/RR/GH, Spring 1 and 2. Did 1493 with no maneuvers.

Second was at 150 TP, same set, 1773

Going to switch to Sharpshot now.

Sharpshot with 291 Ranged used Armor Piercer with no maneuvers. Put on +2 pants, still no new WS at 301. These new WS are probably around 305-325.

Tested String SHredder Maneuver. Kept up a Light and cycled through all the other maneuvers. Light+Thunder trigger new WS.



Tested. Thunder is the trigger. It replaces string clipper on prioty list.

Confirmed Armor shatter Drag, Ripper Distortion.

Anomaly: Despite the fact both these skill should chain with Sp if those are the As they aren't. I Just spent the better part of an hour trying to figure out if these can do level 3(Double light or dark) and haven't been able to. Not sure if quen timing it wrong or inhibator glitched with the new ws data. Right now it looks like the later.
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#7 May 10 2011 at 12:33 AM Rating: Good
Using VE to speed along NPC limit break trial and i'm liking this.

Heat capacitor is very nice and even just keeping on fire man up is boosting Klaxon's TP gain nicely. String Shredder is doing nice consistent dmg on EPs in thickets, between 600 and 900 with spikes 1200+. Cna't wait to try it in Abyssea with Atma.

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Also String Shredder > Stringing Pummel is looking to be Darkness. Unless NPC messing us up also its really late
atm and may have missed a WS from her.


All in all liking this.
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spiritreaverdiablos the Mundane wrote:


Also String Shredder > Stringing Pummel is looking to be Darkness. Unless NPC messing us up also its really late
atm and may have missed a WS from her.




Can confirm it. 2.5k String Shredder > 3.1k Stringing Pummel > 3.1k Darkness
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#9 May 10 2011 at 1:03 AM Rating: Good
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spiritreaverdiablos the Mundane wrote:


Also String Shredder > Stringing Pummel is looking to be Darkness. Unless NPC messing us up also its really late
atm and may have missed a WS from her.




Can confirm it. 2.5k String Shredder > 3.1k Stringing Pummel > 3.1k Darkness

Thanks for the confirmation. Was plowing through mobs for trial and too tired to actually try for SCs atm lol.
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#10 May 10 2011 at 2:24 AM Rating: Excellent
how did you got a 2.5k string shreder? :O highest i've seen is 1700 or so.
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how did you got a 2.5k string shreder? :O highest i've seen is 1700 or so.

It was an outlier, Triple Attack plus crits maybe?
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Great news!!!! Um I was trolling in abyssea with VVRRSS on... Tsukushi did shredder so then I pummeled... 3.1k shredder>5.9k pummel (something happened during the update and pummel is now retardedly stronger)> a5.9k darkness, so about 15k dmg sc... Maybe SE doesn't totally hate us.
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#13 May 10 2011 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
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Great news!!!! Um I was trolling in abyssea with VVRRSS on... Tsukushi did shredder so then I pummeled... 3.1k shredder>5.9k pummel (something happened during the update and pummel is now retardedly stronger)> a5.9k darkness, so about 15k dmg sc... Maybe SE doesn't totally hate us.

Very nice, what mobs were you fighting?
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spiritreaverdiablos the Mundane wrote:
Camwin wrote:
Great news!!!! Um I was trolling in abyssea with VVRRSS on... Tsukushi did shredder so then I pummeled... 3.1k shredder>5.9k pummel (something happened during the update and pummel is now retardedly stronger)> a5.9k darkness, so about 15k dmg sc... Maybe SE doesn't totally hate us.

Very nice, what mobs were you fighting?


Whatever it was it had to have at least 9k in HP...
#15 May 10 2011 at 10:50 AM Rating: Excellent
Xakz wrote:
spiritreaverdiablos the Mundane wrote:
Camwin wrote:
Great news!!!! Um I was trolling in abyssea with VVRRSS on... Tsukushi did shredder so then I pummeled... 3.1k shredder>5.9k pummel (something happened during the update and pummel is now retardedly stronger)> a5.9k darkness, so about 15k dmg sc... Maybe SE doesn't totally hate us.

Very nice, what mobs were you fighting?


Whatever it was it had to have at least 9k in HP...

Obviously.

But i asked because i wanted to know if Camwin was fighting something with strength/weakness/neutral to HTH and slashing type dmg.

Kinda hard to get that info from how much dmg was done when said dmg isn't put into any context isn't it?
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Some caps including crit hits got lifted!
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#17 May 10 2011 at 12:51 PM Rating: Good
So can anyone confirm that SP is doing more damage?
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After skilling up...(RNG was at 333 but melee was only 307) I can confirm that--at least for the melee WS, though I'm use they're the same--You get the WS at 324 skill. I thoguht it'd be 325 or 330 but that works. Didn't see it posted anywhere so I figured I'd post it.


EDIT: http://www.mediafire.com/?qcwss118zxu3bj5
Here's confirmation that hitting 324 made him get the WS, incase someone wants that proof. I was using +1 pants and full melee merits, so 309 + 15 = 324

Edited, May 10th 2011 1:50pm by Darknightleo

Edited, May 10th 2011 1:51pm by Darknightleo
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Quick! Are Shat and Shred effected by Flame Holder?
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324 skill makes perfect sense, its the skill cap for level 85 A-.

If i ahve time tonight ill determine the WSC and try to figure out the skillchain properties.

I know ripper is distortion at minimum:
Ripper -> Pummel = darkness.


To confirm it,
VS -> ripper should give distortion
ripper -> ascetics should give fusion

I havent had a chance to test the SS one.
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My melee is 323, not doing new WS

Edit; leveled up, it is indeed 324 for String Shredder

Edited, May 10th 2011 5:00pm by MrDarKknight
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MrDarKknight wrote:
My melee is 323, not doing new WS


Good to know... looks like we can narrow this down pretty soon.

I'm capped on melee skill, but without Cirque+1 legs I am at 324 on ranged... going out right now to test.

EDIT: Confirmed Armor Shatterer with 324 automaton ranged skill. And my first attempt... MISSED with 1 Wind Maneuver and Scope, on a Sylvestre in Buburimu >.<

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Coastal colibri and abyssea Mis. And no they don't have to have at least that much HP since The chain will do what your pummel does.

And crit dmg cap is higher as well as vit mods been changed a bit. My 3.5k average is now 4.5k. With the occasional 6 spike.
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Camwin wrote:
Coastal colibri and abyssea Mis. And no they don't have to have at least that much HP since The chain will do what your pummel does.

And crit dmg cap is higher as well as vit mods been changed a bit. My 3.5k average is now 4.5k. With the occasional 6 spike.

I know this probably isn't the time and place but...gear/atma set up? ^^;
I can only get about 3k-4k average on my pummels ><; 4k if i'm lucky.
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For ws I was using full +2,
Rings: rajas, spiral
Earrings: brutal, kemas
Neck: agasayas
Belt: beir
Back: cavaros
H2h: burts ( ; ;)

Another idea, because this still ain't making sense... +2 procs on ws, just an idea but these ridiculous spikes are ridiculous.
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I hate to turn our attention away from how mind-blowingly awesome String Shredder is, but have we found out anything about Armor Shatterer's SC properties, if it has any?
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Armor Shatterer > One Inch Punch : Compression
Armor Shatterer > Shoulder Tackle : Reverberation
That makes Transfixion.
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AS > SP did Fragmentation. It closed light as well in beseiged but I can't figure out what made it do that, maybe dragon kick > AS ? sorry not much info here atm >< will continue to test, the burts nerf knocked me down a bit lol.
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Stringing Pummel > Armor Shatterer : Fragmentation
Armor Piercer > Armor Shatterer : Fragmentation
Armor Shatterer > Armor Shatterer : nothing

That makes it Fragmentation/Transfixion.

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so I'm using inhibitor and not getting String Shredder, Genta only uses Bone Crusher . .. I have enough skill
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so I'm using inhibitor and not getting String Shredder, Genta only uses Bone Crusher . .. I have enough skill


Posted asking people thoughts on this but no one seem to take notice. There's only two reasons why I came up with why it's not working. 1 it's A is darkness or light(Aka double dark or double light for you skill chaining flunkies) or 2 inhibitor hasn't been updated with the new ws elements thusly our pet doesn't check for them. I am thinking it's 2.


Oh and before anyone points out that another level 2 could be it, I thoroughly tested that angle.
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Camwin wrote:
Coastal colibri and abyssea Mis. And no they don't have to have at least that much HP since The chain will do what your pummel does.

And crit dmg cap is higher as well as vit mods been changed a bit. My 3.5k average is now 4.5k. With the occasional 6 spike.


not to nitpick and derail much but unless they changed something recently then I know from breaking latents on a load of weapons that if your closing weaponskill kills the mob then the skillchain part doesn't go off. That was the point I was trying to make.

I admit I assumed you were doing this against a Bog Body (Qutrub) as they're the only normal mob I can think of in Abyssea that has enough HP to see the skillchain with that much damage.

Or is this exclusive to Abyssea (where you can see the skillchain regardless)? I honestly don't know for sure and would like confirmation.
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To confirm, you are correct in your assumption, the darkness did not occur because I killed the bird I just already knew it would occur, so I just posted simple numbers. Sorry for the 2 idea mashing into 1.

Btw the reason pummels are ridiculous now is because crit DMG cap has been raised to ~100%.
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Camwin wrote:
To confirm, you are correct in your assumption, the darkness did not occur because I killed the bird I just already knew it would occur, so I just posted simple numbers. Sorry for the 2 idea mashing into 1.

Btw the reason pummels are ridiculous now is because crit DMG cap has been raised to ~100%.


Good to hear I'm not losing it just yet then. Now I really should pick up a few choice Atmas that I am still missing. Was getting near constant 3-3500 Pummels (with the occasional 4k+ spike) on dolls using Stout Arm / RR / GH before this update, so curious to see what happens when I finally get round to getting SS for more crit damage.

Whats the general consensus on the best combination for melee DD Atmas for master + pet with these new changes? SS/RR/AoA seems to be thrown around in a lot of conversations.
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Whats the general consensus on the best combination for melee DD Atmas for master + pet with these new changes? SS/RR/AoA seems to be thrown around in a lot of conversations.


Personally i've been using VV/RR/Apoc or GH/RR/Apoc. And i have no complaints to offer on it thus far.
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I will test the wsc sometime this weekend if I am not beaten to it.

With the old WS:

AP was based on str (~50%) and dex (~20). It was possible to get 3k AP with SA.VV.Roaring laughter. That being said the best combo for master/pet:
VV/RR/Apoc hands down.

GH/RR/APOC would is ok for solo but will do less dmg,.

Edited, May 11th 2011 11:06am by dustinfoley
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From what I hear so far, it sounds like String Shredder uses Thunder as its trigger. How do you trigger Armor Shatterer? I haven't found that reported anywhere. Haven't gotten to play since the update :/
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From what I hear so far, it sounds like String Shredder uses Thunder as its trigger. How do you trigger Armor Shatterer? I haven't found that reported anywhere. Haven't gotten to play since the update :/


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Drop drum, it's really only useful on skilling, keep scope and turbo. Drum magazine will make your barrages harder to get good barrages on, since if any hit on the barrage misses, the rest miss not to mention drum mag, drops your racc by a lot.
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#41 May 13 2011 at 4:45 AM Rating: Excellent
early test, against coastal colibries 2 wind 1 fire with flame holder 4061 damage with armor shatter, now that is armor shattering indeed, VV,RR, and Stout Arm.

brb testing string shredder with atma.

Edit: I see not big of a difference on string shredder, it is stronger indeed but not as much change as with armor shatterer wich is a monster, also inhibitor works! yes!

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Hitting consistant 3k to the worms in la thiene. Loving this fix, the other WS is still hitting about 2-2.5k, though.
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Yeah 4k AS -> 4.5k VS = 4.5k light....go boom
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Just a quick confirmation that before unlocking String Shredder, thunder still triggers string clipper... This last 3 points of skill is taking forever....
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Not sure if this has been said or not yet but...

Dragon Kick > Armor Shatterer is Light SC, it also works in reverse.



Not as strong as SP/SS SC but for those without Stringing Pummel for some reason this is your best SC.

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Tried the new WSs outside of abyss, during a Nyzul run to get some trial weapons for friends:

String Shredder is pretty unimpressive, doing about 600-700 damage. SS + Darkness from skillchaining with SP did a combined damage of around 1500.

Armor shatterer on the other hand... Very solid 2-2.5k damage, and although the skillchain is not level 3, Fusion is potent enough to make for very impressive damage.


Haven't had a chance to go to abyss, and will be away for a pair weeks, so I'm curious about it: is Sharpshot still clearly better inside abyss, taking into account RR benefitting Valoredge melee more? (plus the increased SS damage, of course).
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Man, I can really see why they nerfed the Burattinaios with how powerful these new WS are. Armorer Shatterer is just ridiculous. Great damage, chains with Victory Smite, and apparently defense down? With 10 TP Burritos, it'd really be just wrong.
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Solod tenzen last night, barrage then shatterer then double pummel. He didn't even get the chance to 2hour. What a joke
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Yeah 324 is the magic number finally unlocked the AS Wskill and **** its so gangsta I can't stand it just almost impossible to keep the little guy alive lol. I can now forgive SE for my Burts nerf well almost but at 10 tp a tick pup would be God mode in and out of abyssea lol...

So whats your attachment setup to get max DPS from this sucker???
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So whats your attachment setup to get max DPS from this sucker???


I've been using SS regularly in Dynamis and Abyssea in the past couple weeks, and I'm pretty happy with the below:

Turbo Charger
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(Below the line don't affect offense and are really up to you as general utility/defensive choices. Really more up to personal preference.)

A couple notes:

- Barrage Turbine is strong, especially if you're able to get multiple Wind maneuvers up before deploy when it's ready. But the one downside is that if the puppet consumes wind maneuvers to Barrage mid-fight, and then has TP to WS, you may be left with Fire or Thunder dominant and get Arcuballista or Daze. Hard to avoid that happening at least occasionally if you're mixing in Fire/Thunder. Really too bad this wasn't an automaton JA on a timer (a la Flashbulb, Shock Absorber) that required a Wind maneuver up (and strength varied by amount of maneuvers) but didn't consume maneuvers when it was used. Oh well. Still worth using, but not as perfect as it could have been.

- I typically go very heavy on the Wind maneuvers. Haste, R.Acc, trigger for Armor Shatterer, and gives me more chance of having multiple wind up when Barrage triggers mid-fight. If you've been idle for a few minutes you can know to expect Barrage, so load up on Wind before you deploy. I try to mix in a Fire maneuver before pettp=100 for Flame Holder, and occasional Thunder.
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What anza said with 1 exception


I use optic fiber and 1 of the autorepair kits.


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On a side note about barrage, its rediculously over powered at low levels. A fully skilled sharpshot at lvl 10 with barrage was doing 200-250 dmg barrages (max) and 150 dmg (avg). At low levels its probably a tie, but our pets are rediculous with all the attachments. BLM nukeing for 2-3x that of a player, SS one shoting things with a single wind maneuver and barrage.

Edited, May 23rd 2011 1:39pm by dustinfoley
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