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#1 Apr 29 2010 at 8:56 PM Rating: Good
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I'm a Lvl 54 pup and I'm currently finding it hard to get parties. i got to 54 a year ago with parties but since i got back its been a hassle. Where are some good spots for me to go and get some decent EXP solo. I have every sub avail if anything. Also have all heads but the BLM one. Thanks in advance
#2 Apr 29 2010 at 11:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Interesting, because 54 should be the start of Lesser Colibri, and a ton of people will want to be leveling on those.

Have you tried making your own parties and syncing to yourself? You'll keep your skills capped that way.

For what it's worth I soloed all of a half of a level on PUP post-dunes, so I'm not at all up to date on PUP soloing. I didn't like it when I had to do it anyway, was too slow and too much work to maneuver around a clumsy AI.
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#3 Apr 30 2010 at 7:24 AM Rating: Decent
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FOV are awesome imho BCD and X can take you easily to 60+ the other route is to go after beastmen pets check the BLM forum http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?fjob=3&mid=11643140656968310&page=1 at 60-61 Campaign is an option not sure how good pup is in Campaign at that level.
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#4 Apr 30 2010 at 5:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Beastmen pets are the easiest fastest solo exp youll find.
At this level partying on Colibri would be fantastic as PUP destroys them.
Other than that FoV is good along with a small party helps. If you duo/trio you will be unstoppable. Even you can find another PUP to duo or trio with your in great shape.
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#5 Apr 30 2010 at 6:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Anywere you can fight mobs that don't inflict status effects is a good place. Beetles, colibris and ladybugs at night are very good preys, as you + your WHM auto should be able to kill them fast enough and without resting.
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#6 Apr 30 2010 at 6:16 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not sure if your just plain unlucky, or if the community is even more ignorent than I thought. One would hope by now that PUP would be a favorite job for parties to invite, especially against colibris. I sincerely hope I'm wrong and the community view of PUP has changed for the better; although, my own experience tells me that if PUP is still being rejected then it's likely due to people not knowing or even caring enough to take note of the recent update for PUP. Perhaps I'm wrong, but lately it seems like more and more people think they should be fine without a basic knowledge of the job they don't play. Either that or they ask advice of others who give them an absolute answer, even though absolutes are rarely true or reliable (aka SIS).

In lieu of all that, I still hope your just being unlucky with timing your party seeks.

P.S. Can any more regular PUP comment on the reception of the community as of late? I'm curious as to how both, the previous PUP dimissers, and the previously PUP accepters, are treating regular PUPs since the update.

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#7 Apr 30 2010 at 8:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thanks for the input guys. i just did a trio FoV last night with 2 other pups and it went great. so far all the PUP's i have asked say they leveled solo most of the way. i think since i'm lvl 55 with a my auto rnged skill capped i should be good. ill try setting up a party tonight and see how it goes.
#8 Apr 30 2010 at 8:30 PM Rating: Good
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Teiei wrote:
P.S. Can any more regular PUP comment on the reception of the community as of late? I'm curious as to how both, the previous PUP dimissers, and the previously PUP accepters, are treating regular PUPs since the update.


It's better than it's ever been, sadly we're still pretty much the last choice people will take for a DDer, and we don't get merit invites unless we know the person forming the party. While people are more willing to accept seeing a PUP in the party, people still won't take a chance at inviting one over a "automatic" job like SAM.

The people that bashed PUP have divided into 2 groups, "Still PUP-bashers" and "DNC/BLU/SMN/etc... bashers". There's a lot of stupid people in this game that have to believe that at least one job is greatly inferior, in order to make themselves feel good about their job.

However, it's much easier to prove them wrong now.
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#9 Apr 30 2010 at 8:33 PM Rating: Good
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I have been gone for w while but what is this PUP update everyone keeps talking about that happened recently?
#10 Apr 30 2010 at 8:43 PM Rating: Good
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- PUP's Hand-to-Hand skill got boosted from a C (225 Skill at 75) to a B+ (256 Skill at 75)
- Automaton stat boosts from maneuvers is based on level now, and will now get +6 (or +7 with AF hands) to the stat at 75, instead of +1.(For example, we can put +21 INT on a nuke now just from using ice maneuvers.)
- Valoredge/Harlequin defense is better now (supposedly...)
- Armor Plates, Auto-Repair Kits, and Mana Tanks effects were boosted.
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#11 May 01 2010 at 12:25 PM Rating: Decent
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KodoReturns wrote:

- Valoredge/Harlequin defense is better now (supposedly...)
- Armor Plates, Auto-Repair Kits, and Mana Tanks effects were boosted.


I can confirm Valor Edge was upgraded. The thing is an amazing Tank for Even match and below. I used to primarily solo using SW and get cures and use some black magic while i whittled down the mobs HP, but with VE i just have him tank while i sit back and DD. Light maneuver regen and stoneskin provide enough defense that i never need to rest or repair.
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#12 May 01 2010 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
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Light maneuver regen and stoneskin provide enough defense that i never need to rest or repair.

Is Shock Absorber still 100 HP at 75? I haven't used the thing since about the time I hit level 50 so I don't know if it's been changed.
#13 May 01 2010 at 6:06 PM Rating: Decent
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LadyOfHolyDarkness, Eater of Souls wrote:
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Light maneuver regen and stoneskin provide enough defense that i never need to rest or repair.
Is Shock Absorber still 100 HP at 75? I haven't used the thing since about the time I hit level 50 so I don't know if it's been changed.
Yes, Shock Absorber still gives a static amount of stoneskin. I stopped using it around the 50s as well when it wasn't even absorbing a full hit anymore.
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#14 May 01 2010 at 8:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Teiei wrote:

P.S. Can any more regular PUP comment on the reception of the community as of late? I'm curious as to how both, the previous PUP dimissers, and the previously PUP accepters, are treating regular PUPs since the update.


I'm currently leveling PUP around the first Colibri levels (I'm at 58 now), and the reception of the community is... Well, I only have done 3 parties since 54: First one I was prolly invited to be the syncee, and ended up doing about 40% of the party damage, with praises from all the members. Second one was an invite from a LS member who knows of my performance from previous parties. And I created the third one. Now that I'm out of the "ideal syncee" range for a while, the invite rates have just freezed.

So although I don't have enough data to support a valid opinion, I think that people still think of PUP as some sort of solo only job (how many times have I been asked: And why are you partying on PUP? Can't PUP solo well?), which is a bad DD in a party situation. And that misconception is partially the fault of a big chunk of the PUP community who solos the job all the way to 75 and when they're invited to a party they perform ranging from mediocre to horrible. I've met my fair share of fellow PUPs that were good DDs, yet I haven't ever been outparsed by any of them (and by a sizeable margin), nor anyone for that matter. Considering that I don't think I'm not THAT well geared, and that the job isn't as complicated to play as some think, my conclusion is that most people just play PUP as "MNK with healing NPC", and that reflects on the general opinion about PUP.

Also, the fact that many, many people just DON'T know even the very basics of the job (I'm talking about not even knowing the basic types of automaton) makes them not invite one.
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#15 May 02 2010 at 7:16 AM Rating: Good
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In lakshmi (server merge w/ Garuda btw) I've seen more pups in the various levels of colibris, 36-40, 54-58 more so than the other levels. Now, I know pup is a great job cuz I leveled it all the way to 75, but I don't actually remember ever inviting another pup, and a reason is because I might play pup generally well, and others are even better, but If Im looking into the search screen, theres a good chance that the pup lfp is someone I don't know, and therefore I don't know how well they play the job. Imo, pup is a job that is extremely dependant on the player, which is true for all jobs, but a job like sam is kinda hard to mess up (believe me I've seen it done lolbandwagon ftw) where pup has more complications within itself. Knowing which maneuvers and attachments to use can purely dominate the job as well as understanding the workings of the Stormwaker and Soulsoother AI, and I, not as just another pup but as a player of many jobs, am not willing to take the chance to invite a pup. I do realize the slight irrationality to this due to the fewer numbers of pups, but theres kinda a growing amount on my server....You don't know how many i see in campaign lol. Am I the onlyone thats kinda disgusted by the Growing number due to the h2h update? what I mean is that people playing just because the master gets an update, but I mean I guess its good for people to start leveling it to see the potential it has. Anyone else have an opinion on it?Thank you for listening to my rant :)
#16 May 02 2010 at 7:16 AM Rating: Good
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In lakshmi (server merge w/ Garuda btw) I've seen more pups in the various levels of colibris, 36-40, 54-58 more so than the other levels. Now, I know pup is a great job cuz I leveled it all the way to 75, but I don't actually remember ever inviting another pup, and a reason is because I might play pup generally well, and others are even better, but If Im looking into the search screen, theres a good chance that the pup lfp is someone I don't know, and therefore I don't know how well they play the job. Imo, pup is a job that is extremely dependant on the player, which is true for all jobs, but a job like sam is kinda hard to mess up (believe me I've seen it done lolbandwagon ftw) where pup has more complications within itself. Knowing which maneuvers and attachments to use can purely dominate the job as well as understanding the workings of the Stormwaker and Soulsoother AI, and I, not as just another pup but as a player of many jobs, am not willing to take the chance to invite a pup. I do realize the slight irrationality to this due to the fewer numbers of pups, but theres kinda a growing amount on my server....You don't know how many i see in campaign lol. Am I the onlyone thats kinda disgusted by the Growing number due to the h2h update? what I mean is that people playing just because the master gets an update, but I mean I guess its good for people to start leveling it to see the potential it has. Anyone else have an opinion on it?Thank you for listening to my rant :)
#17 May 02 2010 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
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In lakshmi (server merge w/ Garuda btw) I've seen more pups in the various levels of colibris, 36-40, 54-58 more so than the other levels. Now, I know pup is a great job cuz I leveled it all the way to 75, but I don't actually remember ever inviting another pup, and a reason is because I might play pup generally well, and others are even better, but If Im looking into the search screen, theres a good chance that the pup lfp is someone I don't know, and therefore I don't know how well they play the job.

Imo, pup is a job that is extremely dependant on the player, which is true for all jobs, but a job like sam is kinda hard to mess up (believe me I've seen it done lolbandwagon ftw) where pup has more complications within itself. Knowing which maneuvers and attachments to use can purely dominate the job as well as understanding the workings of the Stormwaker and Soulsoother AI, and I, not as just another pup but as a player of many jobs, am not willing to take the chance to invite a pup.

I do realize the slight irrationality to this due to the fewer numbers of pups, but theres kinda a growing amount on my server....You don't know how many i see in campaign lol. Am I the onlyone thats kinda disgusted by the Growing number due to the h2h update? what I mean is that people playing just because the master gets an update, but I mean I guess its good for people to start leveling it to see the potential it has. Anyone else have an opinion on it?Thank you for listening to my rant :)


Even as a PUP, I don't invite PUPs that I haven't checked or haven't even met at all. You aren't alone in that mentality. However, there are people that would give Joe PUP a chance in a party. Find out that not only are they horribly geared, but they haven't a clue what attachments are for and assume maneuvers are useless. After an oh-so-shoddy performance, they vow never to invite another PUP again.

A note to Solo-onry PUPs:
I often tell people that if they're going to only be soloing on PUP, do just that and nothing else. Don't even think about accepting that party invite. You'll just ruin it for all the other PUPs out there that give a **** about the job. Really, look at BST. BST remains a solo job BECAUSE of people only gearing and knowning about solo environments being invited to parties.

Do both, and be prepared for both. If you're sitting around with capped magic skill and a very shoddy ranged and melee skill, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.
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#18 May 02 2010 at 6:55 PM Rating: Good
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I would also be very skeptical about inviting a random PUP to a party. Sure, I know what the job is capable of, but I also know how easily people get it wrong... Its actually sickening the amount of bad PUPs I've seen (And I'm sure many of you have too), and the ones I have invited to a party and been sorely disappointed.

That being said, I've also met random PUPs on occasion and been pleasently surprised with how they gear/play the job. Either way, as it currently stands, the only way I would invite a PUP to something is if:

-It's someone I know
-I grill them on their play style and such before they come
-It's for something that isn't all that important
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