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#1 Apr 29 2010 at 3:23 PM Rating: Decent
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I plan to mostly solo the job to 75 since i do enjoy solo-ing (75 BST,SMN solo-ed). I do have some minor questions about gear wise (yes i did read the sticks and **** that is a lot of info.) I do tons of endgame things so a question of being hard to get or needing an HNMls is not really much a problem (outside of AV/PWard)

Rings question:
Kusha's/Lava's rings: Set: Def:6 Acc+12 Atk+6
Would this set of rings be acceptable for pup even at 75? I do have the set and use on my bst and love it. I do not have a Rajas, i long since traded it for a Tamas ring for my SMN.

Earrings Question:
Assuming best set up would be
Brutal Earring
Aesir Ear Pendant (??Maybe??)

Back Question:
Aesir Mantle a decent cape for pup? I know that the Dynamis one is pretty good and might be better just would like to have an opinion with the DA+1% (+2% on Darksday)

Last question.
The Salvage gear for PuP is what we should aim for getting and have mix/match of gear for automation buff depending on what we are doing?

Thank you ahead of time for your opinions and thoughts.
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#2 Apr 29 2010 at 5:37 PM Rating: Good
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If you arent going to get Rajas back then Lava/Kusha would be second best.

Aesir Mantle is the second best cape behind Pantin unless you luck out on a MKE mantle.
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#3 Apr 29 2010 at 5:39 PM Rating: Good
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Rings:

That's a really good set of rings for PUP, I personally use Sniper's/Rajas on TP and Iota's/Rajas for WS, but those two are a great choice.

Earrings:

Again, good choices, Brutal is a must, and you can't complain about Atk+7. However I use my Hollow Earring in that slot.

Back:

Pantin Cape is our best, followed by a augment reward from an addon mission, however to get a decent piece from that takes some luck. Aesir mantle is a great piece while waiting on pantin cape.

As for salvage gear, I'm aiming for Legs/feet for now, I don't have access to 15m any time soon so the body is a long shot to me.
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#4 Apr 29 2010 at 11:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm very content with Rajas/Ulthalam's and have no intention on getting Lava/Kusha for PUP.

Tamas is an enormous waste for SMN. I'd toss that in a heartbeat for a Rajas even if you almost never use PUP or BST, just because it's that much better for melee jobs than Tamas is for SMN.
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#5 Apr 30 2010 at 9:23 AM Rating: Decent
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I would get rid of my Tamas but since i tossed my Rajas ring once i would have to wait 27 real life days for the chance for to pick Rajas once again. Unless that was changed i am not sure, i have been gone for over a year and came back recently.
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#6 Apr 30 2010 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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Dolenithil wrote:
Rings question:

There's certainly no problem with using Lava/Kusha. Rajas + an Acc ring is arguably better, but still may not be better in all situations (note that prior to the March PUP H2H skill update, Lava/Kusha was a little more appealing to PUP due to our native accuracy deficiency). "Acc ring" here includes a lot of options: Toreador's, Ulthalam's, Iota (particularly if it brings you to an even total DEX, thus adding 5acc), Insect, Sniper's/+1, Woodsman.

Your call whether you like having Tamas more than Rajas. You're right though about the 27 day wait, if you've dropped a CoP ring more than once you need to wait to get a new one.

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Hollow/Brutal is the best PUP pair. If you don't have Hollow, Aesir is a great second choice. Could also consider Diabolos's Earring for that second choice, and Fenrir's during the day trumps all Atk earrings (but you have to deal with remembering to use it during the day only).

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Back Question:

As people have said, Pantin > Fidelity Mantle (with good augments, from MKE) > Aesir > Bellicose. The first two can be pretty hard to get.

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The Salvage gear for PuP is what we should aim for getting and have mix/match of gear for automation buff depending on what we are doing?


Salvage gear - Um... 5/5 Usukane is certainly excellent, but it's pretty **** hard to get (and very expensive to obtain the head/body). Since you rely on getting notoriously stingy Salvage drops, you could do Salvage religiously multiple times a week for a year and still not get your drops, so I wouldn't exactly count on it.

In general, you'll be focusing on Acc and Haste for TP, macroing in appropriate WS gear. The puppet enhancing items are good - all of the relic set except the head are quite useful. Body/hands are solid TP pieces by themselves, and are even better with Sharpshot/Valoredge puppets. Legs/feet are staple pet nuking pieces (and legs are a great TP/WS piece). Other than the Pantin set and the mini-expansion rewards (described below), there aren't a ton of other must have pet stat pieces. Spurrer Beret and Herder's Subligar are the big ones.

PUP can make some excellent armor from the mini-expansion pieces too. I personally used my head/legs solely for the master (WS Anwig Salade, and Acc/Haste Desultor Tassets), but they do have pet stats available. Body is a great master TP/WS piece with Acc+10 augment alone (plus the base STR+5 DEX+5 stats), and pairing it with the Pet Magic or Acc augments is common.

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#7 Apr 30 2010 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Dolenithil wrote:
I would get rid of my Tamas but since i tossed my Rajas ring once i would have to wait 27 real life days for the chance for to pick Rajas once again. Unless that was changed i am not sure, i have been gone for over a year and came back recently.


I put off all melee jobs temporarily when I swapped rajas for tamas. The only reason was to level SCH so I wouldn't have to purchase 2 INT rings during the leveling period. When I dinged into snow rings, I tossed tamas again, and grabbed rajas once more permanently.

*edited to fix probably my worst run-on sentence ever.*

Edited, Apr 30th 2010 1:23pm by Banggugyangu
#8 Apr 30 2010 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm no SMN, but if what bpshil says is true, you might be able to get along without your Tamas on SMN, so the wait shouldn't matter. Besides, the wait is worth it! I full time Rajas and Ulthalam's also and love them both.
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#9 Apr 30 2010 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you guys for all your replies, it did help out and what not. One thing i saw was saying the Relic Cape was hard to come by but in my dynamis LS Pup (any pup piece of relic) is instant free lot or 1 point if you actually want it. This may be different for every LS but that is how it works in mine it seems.

Again thank you for your replies/wisdom and time.
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#10 Apr 30 2010 at 3:34 PM Rating: Good
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Dolenithil wrote:
One thing i saw was saying the Relic Cape was hard to come by but in my dynamis LS Pup (any pup piece of relic) is instant free lot or 1 point if you actually want it.


It's not as much about competition to get it, or having to burn a lot of points for it. All the dreamworld pieces are considered harder to come by than the rest, mainly because relic accessories only drop from specific monsters in the correct zone. All the other relic pieces can drop from just about any monster in the zone that it comes from.

On top of that, Dreamworld Dynamis runs don't last as long as the others, they're only 2 hours max, and to even get that long, you have to kill the boss, which takes a decent amount of time itself. After all that, you won't get to farm all of the mobs that you'd like, and thus might might not even get to farm the mob that drops the piece that you want.
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#11 May 01 2010 at 4:40 AM Rating: Good
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KodoReturns wrote:
Dolenithil wrote:
One thing i saw was saying the Relic Cape was hard to come by but in my dynamis LS Pup (any pup piece of relic) is instant free lot or 1 point if you actually want it.


It's not as much about competition to get it, or having to burn a lot of points for it. All the dreamworld pieces are considered harder to come by than the rest, mainly because relic accessories only drop from specific monsters in the correct zone. All the other relic pieces can drop from just about any monster in the zone that it comes from.

On top of that, Dreamworld Dynamis runs don't last as long as the others, they're only 2 hours max, and to even get that long, you have to kill the boss, which takes a decent amount of time itself. After all that, you won't get to farm all of the mobs that you'd like, and thus might might not even get to farm the mob that drops the piece that you want.


This, in my time of running dynamis for my shell, I've seen 1 PUP cape drop, from Buburimu on Nightmare **** And I didn't get it =/

Thankfully since I plan the runs, I include PUP drop mobs where I can. Other LSs might not be so friendly!
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#12 May 01 2010 at 11:16 AM Rating: Default
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I'm going to go slightly against the crowd here:

1 Rings:

Same as everyone else, Rajas is best but Kusha/Lava set is a fairly close second.

2: Earrings:

I'm going to say Aesir is better than Hallows, I don't know why Hallows' 3 accuracy is better than 7 attack and 3 conserve TP, unless your using the Hallows earring for other things on other jobs.

3: Back:

Aim for a Panin cape, it's just that good, but Aesir Mantle is definately the best alternative which doesn't require obsene luck or redoing a mini-expantion mission over and over again.

4: Salvage:

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, Legs and Feet are probably the only two peices which can't be trumpped for PUP. Head isn't as powerful as the S Beret. Hands aren't as strong as Panin. Body is up to you, I'd say it's bonus is relatively minor compared to the **** it requires to obtain (aka stick with Panin or Enkidu's).
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#13 May 01 2010 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
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2: Earrings:

I'm going to say Aesir is better than Hallows, I don't know why Hallows' 3 accuracy is better than 7 attack and 3 conserve TP, unless your using the Hallows earring for other things on other jobs.

Hollow Earring has 3 acc and 2 DEX, so it is, in essence, 4 acc. Aesir won't be frowned upon by any means, though.

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4: Salvage:

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, Legs and Feet are probably the only two peices which can't be trumpped for PUP. Head isn't as powerful as the S Beret. Hands aren't as strong as Panin. Body is up to you, I'd say it's bonus is relatively minor compared to the **** it requires to obtain (aka stick with Panin or Enkidu's).

I'm sure that ASA pants trump Usukane for PUP.

In my opinion, if you're using a melee puppet, you should be wearing gear(in as many slots as possible) that benefit both you and your puppet at the same time. To me, that rules out a lot of Usukane gear(aside from WS pieces). In places that you can't currently get gear to benefit you puppet, max out your own stats. This would support the use of Usukane feet.

However, if they're expanding the Magian Trials further to include Usukane, you are quite possibly looking at the starting point for THE best puppet gear in the game.
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#14 May 01 2010 at 6:10 PM Rating: Good
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Usu still makes good WS gear. If I hade the full set, I'd probably end up wearing that over pet gear for TPing in most cases just because the balance between master and pet damage is going to be so slanted in one direction.
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#15 May 02 2010 at 1:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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bsphil wrote:
I'm very content with Rajas/Ulthalam's and have no intention on getting Lava/Kusha for PUP.

Tamas is an enormous waste for SMN. I'd toss that in a heartbeat for a Rajas even if you almost never use PUP or BST, just because it's that much better for melee jobs than Tamas is for SMN.


Agreed 100%.

Rajas/Ulthalam's (or Rajas/Sniper|Woodsman, 4 atk vs. 1 acc is basically a wash) is an excellent combo for any DD. Tamas is basically this for SMN, as most of your dmg is hate-free anyway, and Cure IIIs won't pull enough hate to warrant the -enmity and won't lose any potency from the MND loss (INT is obvious). Assuming you'd have Evoker's in your other ring slot anyway. I'm no SMN, so anyone feel free to correct my sake-drinking mind, but this makes sense enough to me!

Anza pretty much summed up the rest.

Regarding Usukane, I don't feel that any gear should be full-timed for anything, especially for PUP, but I'd say that the full set is obviously awesome for TP/WS depending on what you're doing 'maton-wise - although a mishmash of some of our other premium gear is great as well. Thank god we're blessed with such awesome relic. My poor WAR hates you all.

Edit: I wouldn't bother with Lava/Kusha's at all if you have a Rajas. Besides, those new NM droprates can go **** themselves.Smiley: frown

Edited, May 2nd 2010 3:55am by Solrain
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