Question about Magian weaponsFollow

Ok after waiting all night for Quetz to come back up, I finally get to check the Magian system out. I saw a lot of nice augs but only 2 stood out as being worth the effort. Trials 68-75 produce a Mantis with +21 DMG and +55 Delay. Trials 82-87 produce Cat's Claws with +18 DMG, +61 Delay, STR +4, and Atk +12. My question is which of these should I shoot for, if any, considering I also will have to share one of these with my MNK, which has Destroyers? Currently using Wagh's on PUP btw. Cat's Claws looks more like a sidegrade to Wagh's, but that +21 DMG is rather enticing.

Thanks for the answer.....looks like I'll be trying for the Mantis and Wargfangs. Should only take me a yr or so lol.

i was look at this too. are they r/ex or just ex? cause the pet acc+8 ones look nice for melee, but the pet magic ones look nice too. wondering what would be better, +5MAB or +10MACC for the puppet. ideas? im surprised more people arent talking about these weapons on here too.

My first target is the magic acc ones:o! Good luck to you.

Yeah, point the way to the Easy Prey Soulflayers.

I think for the Cat's Claws, the MAB vs MAcc is a tough decision. Hmm. Probably the first Magian weapon I will go for though.

Damn you, SE, your mother is an EP+ Soulflayer!

Still, this seems oddly fun in a very, very sadistic way...

no, if you rarely use tranq, you rarely do anything where you need a large boost to Macc. If you don't need tranq to make a difference, then 10 macc is definitely not important.

Canal, Eldieme, Garlaige have skeletons.

Though, you can't do them on Ice Weather, I don't think they get ice... But you can do them during Ice Day!

The frozen north also says hi, both in past and present!

I have 92 INT for ice maneuvers, actually. With 3 ice maneuvers that puts Fantoccini up to 91 INT, lol. Man, that's awfully convenient. I haven't altered my maneuver gear in any way, either.

Here's what I've been using for my other maneuvers:

 
Fire:     87 STR 
Thunder:  93 DEX 
Wind:     82 AGI 
Earth:    66 VIT  <- this one will be problematic 
Water:    86 MND 
Light:    89 CHR 
Dark:     176 MP

The only one that really presents a problem is earth, and that's only after the first maneuver. I haven't found a situation like the OP's where I need to spam earth maneuvers, so I'm content with leaving it as is for now.



Edited, Mar 24th 2010 3:44am by bsphil

Terragon and I duo'd skeles in Ule Range. There's actually a really convenient cluster of three Doom Soldiers that can by cycled. Be careful if you're solo though, they're awesome at spamming blindna when you need a cure.

As for the next trial, the best options I can find are Knight Crawlers in Crawlers Nest, or Erucas in Mount Zhayolm/Halvung, but it would only count if water or earth weather respectively.

edit:

Here's my best advice for what to do where:

82: 100 EP+ skeletons under fire/wind/lightning/light/ice/earth/water/dark weather

Doom Soldiers in Uleguerand Range, Ice weather is pretty consistent, although it has a tendency to vanish mid fight for 5-10 minutes every now and then.

83: 100 EP+ Goobbues under Fire/Wind/Lightning/Light weather

Elder Goobbues in Boyahda Tree, during lightning weather

84: 100 EP+ mobs, Fire Weather or Firesday

Take your pick, this is pretty open ended.

85: 100 EP+ Birds, Fire Weather/Day

I don't know where there is a lot of fire weather to work with, but remember that bats count as birds, so Ifrit's Cauldron could be the optimal choice here. Alternatively, Halvung as well.

86: 150 EP+ Lizards, Fire Weather/Day
88: 100 Pet kill shots to Lizards, Fire weather/day

I would say Ash Lizards in Ifrit's Cauldron. This wants a family though, so don't limit yourself to "lizards" in the "lizard" sense, but rather, lizards in the ecological sense; lizards, efts, bugards, etc.

87: 200 Wamouras, Fireweather/day
89: 150 Pet kill shots to Wamoura, fireweather/day

Yea... you have fun with this one.

100: 100 EP+ during thunder weather/day

Again, this one is pretty self explanatory

101: 100 EP+ Beasts, thunder weather/day

if you do it carefully, Moss Eaters in the Boyahda Tree

102: 150 EP+ Aquans, Thunder weather/day
104: 100 Pet kill shots to EP+ aquans, thunder weather/day

Aaaaand steelshells.

103: 200 EP+ Soulflayers, thunder weather/day
105: 150 Pet Kill shots EP+ Soulflayers, thunder weather/day



116: 100 EP+ Crawlers in ice/earth/water/darkness weather

Like I said earlier, I'm thinking Knight Crawlers; either in Crawler's Nest or The Tree

117: 100 EP+ mobs, ice weather or on Iceday

Go play in Uleguerand Range

118: 100 EP+ Amorphs in ice weather/day

Uleguerand range happens to have some handy Glacier Eaters that fit perfectly.

121: 100 pet kill shots on EP+ birds while under Ice Weather or on Iceday

Uleguerand Range also happens to have some convenient incubus and succubus bats flapping around.

122: 150 pet kill shots on EP+ ghosts, under ice weather or on iceday

Ready for something new? To bad. Uleguerand Range has handy ghosts too. I wouldn't recommend solo though.

141: 100 EP+ mobs, Dark weather/day

This will be annoying, mostly because of the rarity of dark weather in general.

142: 100 EP+ Beasts, dark weather/day

Wild Karakul in Caedarva Mire, or Tavnazian Rams in Lufaise Meadows. You can solo the karakul, but the rams used to be Merit Party mobs back in the day, so I wouldn't recommend trying to solo them.

145: 100 pet kill shots on EP+ Demons, dark weather/day

Go to town in Castle Zvahl Keep

146: 150 pet kill shots on EP+ Ghosts, dark weather/day

Only real option is Phasmas in Arrapago Reef. Bhoot's are a bitch to deal with, with Perdition and all, but they're in the reef too.


Obviously, these are all uncapped. There's definitely places you could do them level synced, but that's not mandatory. Though, it would probably be a lot easier to get the 150 ghosts in xarcabard than it would arrapago...

Edited, Mar 24th 2010 12:29pm by Jinte

The circled black dot is a drop, the three little red dots are where the skeletons are in the tunnel. Each is on a 5 min repop, and has a succubus bat next to it. One has a Morozko next to it too. The trick I was using to pull them was Spectral Jig -> get in range and deploy -> run away from snoll/bats -> retrieve -> Smash -> Move to next skeleton -> rinse -> repeat

So has anyone finished any of these magian weapons to tell us the double attack rate or are we all assuming and hoping its a joyeuse?

Because I do not want to go after cats claws (going to start the pet attack one though, pet accuracy seems hopelessly long) or warfangs until we really know which is going to be the better of the two.

On a side note, I am interested in seeing how often these additional effects proc on the mobs.

Edited, Mar 25th 2010 1:11am by BelenosSwiftWater

When fighting skeletons it's probably better to use Stormwaker or even Harlequin so you KNOW you'll get a cure when you need it. I used Stormwaker and I subbed whm so I could just status remove myself. Because yes, the ice spikes is maddening and can get you killed if Soothsayer has to spam paralyna.

I've seen mention of several weapons so far, but what do you guys think about the Cat's Claws with DMG:+19, Additional Effect: Evasion Down+10? If that wouldn't be better than Wagh's, I wouldn't want to bother with that one, but those sound like a fairly strong contender. I'm not sure if the DMG:18, STR+4, Attack+12 ones be better, though. If the evasion down proc'd often, could benefit the whole party and give acc+10 essentially.

Is the DMG:+18 Attack+12 Cat's Claws, Wargfangs or Mantis the only H2H from magian's worth getting from a DD perspective?


Edited, Mar 25th 2010 9:07pm by Twinblake

Personally, if you use SR often at all, the pet: m.acc +10 is a sound choice. In my gear right now, I have +14 puppet m.acc. If I can get up to +24 with these, it puts me that much closer to needing Tranquilizer on fewer things. That means that I can use all my Loudspeakers, which is far greater MAB than the +5 MAB Cat Claws. Of course, you could get both.

I cleared skeles in about 2 hours and got a nice chunk of xp. Find a friend who is 55-60 (60 will give you some TW skeles, so best to keep it lower) and sync in Xarcabard. Weather is almost always in effect. In fact, it only stopped being dark or ice weather once, which gave us time to kill the ghosts from page 1 FoV.

I even let another PUP join us (cuz he asked so nice) and go AFK for work so that he could at least get the kill credit for ones we killed near him.

I'm undecided about whether or not I want to continue with my Trial 83 plans though. I was in the tree for an hour, with no Thunder weather. I'm going to find a sync for Pashhow and see how that turns out. Has anyone had siginificant success with this Trial?

I'm thinking it might be better to switch to the INT path since there will likely be more and better DD weapons available as the expansions come out.

[ETA] If I hadn't finished skeles in Xarc, I was going to go check out Sacrarium. Lightning and Dark weather there, is pretty standard

Edited, Mar 26th 2010 2:43pm by Nightxade

I spent a couple of hours 3 nights in a row in either Boyahda or Crawler's Nest for trial 116. I saw Water Weather long enough to kill 2 Crawlers so far in that time... The trial is going to take weeks.

There are only about 6-8 knight crawlers in CN so I would recommend processionares in Boyahda, especially in a duo/trio.

Because there were other options on that body not just MAB/Macc? This is an item anyone can get and not give up the other choices. But, oh, those other folks that argue things, I understand.

Edited, Mar 26th 2010 10:54pm by BelenosSwiftWater

Tip for Trial 82 Skeletons: Marinara Pizza gives Undead Killer. Must be the garlic crust.

Be sure to check npcs like this before heading out. They do have a use now, Finally.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Weather_Reporter

I timed it so that I fought on Darksday and went to Promy-Dem and just cleared the floor as PUP/DNC with RNG auto. Auto will end up tanking most of the time and makes pretty quick work of these mobs. With NPC you can get 100 mobs in maybe 80 minutes.

Shoggoth, what a mob... Spams both Hex Eye and Petro Gaze. It also has a large amount of Fast Cast, as well as the ability to Chainspell multiple times in a fight. It also has a tendency to use Sleepga II -> ga 3 -> Sleepga II -> ga 3 when under the influence of Chainspell.

Best advice is that of the wiki, have a properly geared RNG shadowbind it every time it pops Chainspell and run out of range. Keep your backs turned to it, and always have poison potions handy. As a PUP, so long as you remain away from the BLMs, you and your auto won't get caught in the crossfire.

ive done shaggoth a couple times. people should /nin up and treat it as a kited fight. although he moves extremely fast, he casts high end spells alot which slow him down. the rng shadowbind thing is crap because you only get 1 shadowbind for 5 minutes, which lets you stop him for 2 rounds of chainspell. but what do you do when he gets to 20% and spams chainspell??

we had blm rdm and rng attacking him from a distance and taking turns running from him, very much like killing stones in dynamis

Edit: okay i wont say its crap. but dont rely on it to survive chainspell. during chainspell he seems to favor tier4 nukes soo.. /nin and run

Edited, Apr 3rd 2010 3:02pm by AsashinoTsuki

Check out this thread about the Magmatic Eruca. Apparently, they don't count towards the trial for whatever reason.

thanks. I talked to a gm and he told me it is probably a glitch.
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