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#52BelenosSwiftWater, Posted: Feb 18 2010 at 1:13 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yes and no, unless my playing style of these last two posts is that horrible I think alot of things are legit. No one has to agree with them, but I am explaining my choices with the logic I saw at the time or right now.
#53 Feb 18 2010 at 2:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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It comes down to I do not need them. I am not using the hands on any other frame because the blinking is @#%^ing ridiculous

/facepalm. Complaining about blinking = fail. 2x the corresponding elemental stat boost to the puppet is more than worth blinking on a maneuver, even if you don't care at all about the hands' effect on overload. And this excuse is useless on Buffoon's Collar, since you don't blink when macroing it in.

Besides, what does blinking hurt? Do you really have mages that are so lousy that they haven't learned to deal with blinking in 2010? And even if you do, how often are they targeting the PUP in events (hint: not very).
I love the blinking. Lets me use maneuvers while running. If you really hate blinking that much, use BlinkMeNot. If you're going to baww about windower, go somewhere else where someone might give a damn.

Regardless, I look down on people who go out of their way to be lazy. That will never change no matter how much whining you do.

BelenosSwiftWater wrote:
Jobs
WAR 37 MNK 37
WHM 42 BLM 75
RDM 45 THF 75
PLD 37 DRK 37
BST 35 BRD 37
RNG 37 SAM 37
NIN 39 DRG 63
SMN 57 BLU 75
COR 75 PUP 75
SCH 37 DNC 37
Who cares?

WAR	75	MNK	49 
WHM	75	BLM	75 
RDM	75	THF	37 
PLD	66	DRK	45 
BST	47	BRD	75 
RNG	40	SAM	75 
NIN	65	DRG	75 
SMN	29	BLU	39 
COR	50	PUP	75 
DNC	35	SCH	42


I have full gear for all my 75s and plenty of low level gear for the rest of them outside of RNG/SMN/DNC. And somehow I still manage to do maneuvers with stat builds and buffoon's collar and AF hands.

Edited, Feb 18th 2010 3:04pm by bsphil
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#54BelenosSwiftWater, Posted: Feb 18 2010 at 3:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I have little problem with blinking, I have to do it for QD kiting anyway. It is the fact I get tells over blinking and people letting me die for blinking that is bad.
#55 Feb 18 2010 at 3:37 PM Rating: Good
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I am going to say it is really just not needed on all but SR
"Not needed" on other frames? Fine, thats your call. The main reason for using AF hands in the first place is to have more control over your levels of burden. The stat boosts per maneuver with them should be enough of a reason to use them because any benefit no matter how small is still a benefit - especially on something that we havent really been able to directly enhance the performance of untill recently (Hi2u pet specific gear), but like I said: your call.

But really? the whole point of this massive de-rail in the first place is that you said you have problems with overload when using SR. Don't not use the options available to you to reduce this problem then complain about having a problem with overload when using SR. Certianly don't come to a PUP forum and do that then -claim- to have knowlege of the job, because urdoingitwrong.



Secondly, I like how you completly dismissed what Anza said about the light arts set for /SCH. Okay I will grant that it is nice to have but I'd take an extra 20 burden to my threshold (Or whatever it is.. I think it's 20 from using gloves and collar) over some more MP or MND or whatever the f**k is in your set (I don't really care so I didn't bother looking). And I don't know sh!t about COR so I'm not gonna even comment on that.

To be honest though, what it really comes down to is that it's your call. If you don't wanna do things properly then complain about it, then go ahead. Just don't do it here.


Keep making pointless arguments though, we like having Bullsh!t to read.
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I couldn't decide which movie to see last-week, I put up an Ice Maneuver and BOOM, my automaton immediately figured it out for me.
#56 Feb 18 2010 at 3:41 PM Rating: Good
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I have little problem with blinking, I have to do it for QD kiting anyway. It is the fact I get tells over blinking and people letting me die for blinking that is bad.
TO be fair I don't know what kind of events you take PUP to, but anyone that has a problem with you playing your job properly is a moron. If I were you I'd tell them to use a <stpc> macro and the function keys to target you, and if they still complain find a compitent group of people to play with. Why should you let other people affect your performance adversely?
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Hey now, that "decision-making time" is very useful.
I couldn't decide which movie to see last-week, I put up an Ice Maneuver and BOOM, my automaton immediately figured it out for me.
#57 Feb 18 2010 at 3:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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kairyu wrote:
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I have little problem with blinking, I have to do it for QD kiting anyway. It is the fact I get tells over blinking and people letting me die for blinking that is bad.
TO be fair I don't know what kind of events you take PUP to, but anyone that has a problem with you playing your job properly is a moron. If I were you I'd tell them to use a <stpc> macro and the function keys to target you, and if they still complain find a compitent group of people to play with. Why should you let other people affect your performance adversely?
Or just use <stpt> or <stal> which can target people even while blinking.
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#58 Feb 18 2010 at 4:20 PM Rating: Good
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If I do Nyzul, it is on COR and this WS frequently shows its use in there. Slimes, puddings, and those NM custard objectives are frequent occurrences. I use it pretty much every run. Things like doing leaden for somewhere below 800 then a darkness SC on a pudding for no exaggeration 2k is something that merits a set. The SC was shocking when I saw it though.


I'm still not buying this one. A Leaden Salute set? A Leaden Salute set is a Quick Draw set with Light Gorget (and I'm not even sure if that's better than a Ugg. Pendant.. probably) and maybe an Anwig Salade if you put WS Damage+2% on it. Everything else is identical for Quick Draw and you should be carrying the Gorget and WS Salade for Slug/Det anyway, unless you don't have AF+1 hat, in which case you'll need a single extra piece of gear. So yeah good for you for having a Leaden Salute set. But don't act like its taking up any extra inventory compared to a QD/WS set.



Edited, Feb 18th 2010 5:29pm by Scritchie
#59 Feb 18 2010 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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Scritchie wrote:
I'm still not buying this one. A Leaden Salute set? A Leaden Salute set is a Quick Draw set with Light Gorget (and I'm not even sure if that's better than a Ugg. Pendant.. probably)
Leaden Salute has a 4.0 fTP. Gorget should be about 2.5% DMG increase. No way MAB+8 is going to lose to that.
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#60BelenosSwiftWater, Posted: Feb 18 2010 at 4:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The last shell I was in I was kicked out for telling the leader he was a caveman for accusing me of feeding Seiryu TP as THF/WAR. Do not tell me to just get a new shell, if it was easy I would do it. Rather not be that idiot shouting in WG.
#61 Feb 18 2010 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
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BelenosSwiftWater wrote:
The last shell I was in I was kicked out for telling the leader he was a caveman for accusing me of feeding Seiryu TP as THF/WAR. Do not tell me to just get a new shell, if it was easy I would do it. Rather not be that idiot shouting in WG.

However, I concede you all win. I am a horrible PUP for not using the buffoon's collar and AF hands when using a maneuver. Guess it should not be a problem no one ever wants me as PUP, and I will go put those parses in a folder that reads "not valid". Sorry for the annoyance of defending my viewpoint.
Sorry if I come across as some kind of vindictive know-it-all. Truth be told I don't know too much about this game anymore, but the things you have stated in your previous post has shown you needlessly gimping yourself. Several people including myself then criticise you (Maybe not in the most polite manner, but hey, who is polite on internet forums?), and you just continue to fuel the flames by justifying deliberately gimping your performance and churning out sarcastic comments like the one above. At the end of the day, someone with an identical setup to you but who uses AF hands and Buffoon's collar will perform better than you. You have the gear, why not use it?
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Hey now, that "decision-making time" is very useful.
I couldn't decide which movie to see last-week, I put up an Ice Maneuver and BOOM, my automaton immediately figured it out for me.
#62 Feb 19 2010 at 4:41 PM Rating: Good
Peanut butter.

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#63 Sep 02 2011 at 7:10 PM Rating: Default
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lv90 Kenkonken basically nullifies its own delay + the extreme spamming of maneuvers before an overload. and with the right merits you can bounce hate back in fourth. pup is extremely powerful with this weapon if played correctly. even without the weapon pup is pretty damn good, im not sure why people still "lol" the job >.>;
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#64 Sep 02 2011 at 9:16 PM Rating: Good
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Best thread ever.
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#65 Sep 02 2011 at 11:40 PM Rating: Good
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Peanut butter.

/thread.


Peanut butter :3
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#66 Sep 03 2011 at 7:01 AM Rating: Good
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Itege, that's why I love you.

Hmmm im hoping SE finally lowers the requirement like they said they would.
I remember them saying something along the lines of, making relics and mythics as easily obtainable as empys. Which... Means...

CHEAP GAMEBREAKERS FOR ALL!

That or they will just augment salvage mobs to the proc system and have said mobs give out more, if any alexandrite per... In which case, me = forever gimp.
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#67 Sep 03 2011 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
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I remember them saying that they were going to make salvage / nyzul / einherjar and events like that more attractive ( worth doing ) but not changing any of the requirements of the weapon quests at all. So I hope more light is shed on the old content, could use some usukane myself! and finally get an animator +1 lol
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