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#1 Feb 26 2009 at 3:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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As some of you may have noticed, our current sticky is out of date, and missing lots of key new threads. It hasn't been updated since Jul 15th 2008, so I'm gonna take the incentive to put a new one together.

I'm gonna link to the old one, of course, and probably use most of the links, dropping things with lessened value(read, nothing but out of date information, out of date gear guides, etc), and making it look snazzy as hell.

If I miss something, or I leave out something you think should be in, send me a PM and I'll look it over. Also, since a lot of the threads that need to be added have fallen back some pages, if anyone has links to them, that would be wonderful, since I can't remember all of them.

For now, this is under construction, I'm posting now after I've organized all the links in ragga's sticky, so I can be informed if he still reads the forum and just doesn't update the sticky any more before I waste time actually going indepth into the threads worth(certain threads that are blatantly old will still be left out of sorting)

All right, On to the sticky then.

The Automaton Owner's Manual, Volume 2.0
Links to important threads posted on the pup forum, arranged by year on last edit of the thread's OP, unless it's a discussion, where I'll go by the last post in the thread. Please don't necrobump(post in them) these threads if they're older than a month or two. Also understand that any thread from 2007 or 2006 may have out of date information. I'm still compiling links, so I've added 2009 in every section for future use.

Index:
Chapter 1: Playing the Part {Ch1}
-Gear, Ability, WS, and Subjob guides and discussions
Chapter 2: You and Your Puppet {Ch2}
-Misc Guides for the job, the puppet, and things such as nm/bcnm fights.
Chapter 3: Circuit Boards and You! {Ch3}
-Discussions dealing with Attachments, and pup math
Chapter 4: Alternative Styles, Pros and Cons {Ch4}
-Threads about differing styles of play.(WARNING: some may or may not be as effective as the thread's OP makes them out to be. These will be weeded out asap)
Chapter 5: References {Ch5}
-Important off site links, videos, guides, etc

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|Chapter 1: Playing the Part | {Ch1}|
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2009:
Full AF at 75? NO! A post-AF gear guide. (Anza)
"Official" Puppetmaster achievement thread (itege)
List of Puppetmaster Mentors/Helpers List (Fivefingers)
Mirke Melee Augment Comparisons (^_^ For Jinte) (Magusalley) (In depth math discussion between magus and myself about the potency of various Mirke Wardecors Augment choices)
Puppetmaster Subjob Guide (Jinte)
Puppetmaster Equip Guide (Jinte)

2008:
Drills, Oil spills and Weapon Skills: Maxing out Weapon Skills Efficiency (Magusalley)
Gearing up the Master: Gearing yourself for the task at hand (Magusalley) (Out of date, currently trying to contact the author to revise some info)

2007:
Puppetmaster and the Subjob Conundrum (Magusalley)
Ice Maker (SuperTiM)

2006:

2005:
New Job - Puppeteer (Rilly(not a pup guide, posted in the ffxi feedback forum almost a year before SE released pup.)
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|Chapter 2: You and Your Puppet | {Ch2}|
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2009:

2008:
PUP vs Goblin Pets (SiviardOfShiva)

2007:
Soloing As PUP (BigStbreakfast)
Puppetmaster Starter's Guide (F.A.Q.) (YuriOtani)

2006:
What is PUP? A Guide for Non-PUPs (CactuarSensei)
Beat ENM60 w/o using items (Enaru)
The role of a tank and its relation to PUP (YuriOtani)*
The PUP Flag Quest (Lilou)
Valoredge Puppet Guide (Krumplickins)
Ranger Puppet Guide (Lutia)
Behaviour of the Stormwaker Frame (YuriOtani)*
Behaviour of the Stormwaker Frame (UPDATED) (Magusalley)*
Lv.1 Animator VS Lv.40 Turbo Animator (YuriOtani)
Puppetmaster Artifact Quest Guide (Shouta)
Please be considerate of others when soloing.[IMPORTANT] (Unholyllama)
Meanings of automoton names. (WheresMyGoat)

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|Chapter 3: Circuit Boards and You! | {Ch3}|
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2009:
Guide: Skilling up your automaton's magic skill above Lv55 (FacerX)

2008:
Overload Testing (Nateypoo)
Tactical Processor Brainstorming (zfsdfadgfafg)
Attachment Parses + Overdrive Info (Nateypoo)

2007:
Puppetmaster Data Compliation Website Translation Project (Stanislaw)
Analyzer - Testing Results (Nateypoo)
Slammer Jammer: Mana Jammer Testing (Revised Findings) (Magusalley)
mana conserver testing (Adalast)

2006:
Automaton Analysis 101 (faranim(some of the info is old, good Inhibitor tests))

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|Chapter 4: Alternative Styles, Pros and Cons| {Ch4}|
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2009:

2008:

2007:
How to PUP Manaburn (BLMs or no BLMs) (Myrrial)

2006:

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|Chapter 5: References | {Ch5}|
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Previous Sticky (RaggaTip)

Attachment List
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Attachments

Japanese PUP Research
http://www.geocities.jp/pupff/

Videos:
2009:

2008:
Pup Tutorial Videos (Nateypoo)
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I also highly recommend this Japanese deactivate video for uhh.. "exploit" ideas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91W_RLd6Kfw

And the Japanese overload one. It has several mistakes, but the visuals are an amazing learning tool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-7Rh8BoTdg


2007:
Puppetmaster G5 video (Trabitorer)

2006:
PUP ENM 60 Instructional Videos (CactuarSensei)
PUP Solo ENM60 video (with some instructions) (Trabitorer)
PUP and WHM duo Ark Angel Taru + Bonus Video (CactuarSensei)
Failed Puppetmaster Experiments (CactuarSensei)
PUP-Friendly BCNMs (CactuarSensei)
Puppetmaster Solo: Prime Avatars (CactuarSensei)
PUP&WHM duo final ToAU Mission (Clip) (CactuarSensei)


Construction Note: Still under construction. I dropped all the threads that were undoubtedly out dated(wrong elemental stats, old attachment info, old puppet info, etc). threads that are old but I'm unsure about keeping are marked with a * or not(may have missed them). I also dropped 2 threads that I'm not sure of(Elmer's guard skilling thread, and the flame holder thread, as I'm unsure how accurate it is). Let me know if I missed something, and pm any links I haven't added yet(read, most of natey's threads)

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Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
#2 Feb 26 2009 at 3:40 PM Rating: Good
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Nice sticky! Interesting layout. Smiley: grin
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#3 Feb 26 2009 at 3:48 PM Rating: Good
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Awesome idea to make an actually USEFUL sticky. And very, very smart to note the year of the threads.

Kind of inspires me to beef up my AF alternatives guide... Perhaps that's coming soon, adding the rest of the slots for an up-to-date comprehensive PUP DD gear guide.
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Anza wrote:
Awesome idea to make an actually USEFUL sticky. And very, very smart to note the year of the threads.

Kind of inspires me to beef up my AF alternatives guide... Perhaps that's coming soon, adding the rest of the slots for an up-to-date comprehensive PUP DD gear guide.
In addition to this, I'm a forum whore, so I'm not just gonna leave it high and dry and not update it for months on end(unless no one posts anything useful for months on end)
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Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
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Here's a ton of attachment links:

Attachment List
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Attachments

Japanese PUP Research
http://www.geocities.jp/pupff/

Inhibitor
http://faranim.livejournal.com/115053.html

Flame Holder / Inhibitor
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=18;mid=11979471059645756;num=11;page=1

Analyzer
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=18;mid=1182560512165457853;num=24;page=1

Tactical Processor
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=18;mid=120939710382611125;num=22;page=1

Mana Jammers
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=18;mid=119409969515717105;num=13;page=1

Mana Conserver
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=18;mid=1190956761135786068;num=25;page=1

Overload
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=18;mid=1195067879211022569;page=1;howmany=50#m1195067879211022569

Overdrive
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=18;mid=121071128015227511




I would get rid of the tanking threads. None of the strategies written were more advanced than "provoke the mob". The guy who wrote them spammed the forum with dozens of trash threads, then made a compilation to praise himself. Also, there's little excuse to tank anymore now that we have soulsoother.

The * threads can definitely be removed. The behavior of the stormwaker threads are well-outdated, as the AI is nothing like it used to be. I would rather have people use the wiki as a reference, and help improve it if there are errors.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Harlequin_Head
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Valoredge_Head
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Sharpshot_Head
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Stormwaker_Head
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Soulsoother_Head
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Spiritreaver_Head

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Harlequin_Frame
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Valoredge_Frame
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Sharpshot_Frame
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Stormwaker_Frame



I also highly recommend this Japanese deactivate video for uhh.. "exploit" ideas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91W_RLd6Kfw

And the Japanese overload one. It has several mistakes, but the visuals are an amazing learning tool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-7Rh8BoTdg

Also Myrrial's PUP manaburning guide. I strongly criticized it at first, but lots of positive changes were made to it. It's pretty decent now. Some minor outdated mistakes though, like it was written before the optic fiber enmity fix and no mention of /SCH sub.
http://killingifrit.com/forums/index.php?s=df05aad2a97f2d8fb9164c188fa0dc38&showtopic=160678




EDIT: I'd probably get rid of "4 new attachments TESTED" too. There's not really anything of interest in it. If people just want to know what an attachment does, I'd direct them to the wiki instead. The links here should be reserved for attachments that are difficult to test or have a large amount of data associated with them.

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Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
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Nice, thank you! I am currently leveling pup and I am constantly searching for info and don't want to ask a question only to get nailed by the "oldster" pups that it has been asked a thousand timesSmiley: frown. It's been hard finding current info so yes, update please. Smiley: grin

Thanks a bunch,

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Sharini the Eccentric wrote:
Nice, thank you! I am currently leveling pup and I am constantly searching for info and don't want to ask a question only to get nailed by the "oldster" pups that it has been asked a thousand timesSmiley: frown. It's been hard finding current info so yes, update please. Smiley: grin

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Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
#9 Feb 27 2009 at 12:49 AM Rating: Decent
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[good job] this will help everyone alot.
Hope it will get updated fast.
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I would get rid of the tanking threads. None of the strategies written were more advanced than "provoke the mob". The guy who wrote them spammed the forum with dozens of trash threads, then made a compilation to praise himself. Also, there's little excuse to tank anymore now that we have soulsoother.


It's possibly useful to mention that there were some investigations into PUP tanking and cite them, but that the consensus of modern PUPs is that tanking in a party is not something that PUP is well suited for. Hard to keep hate when it's split between master and puppet, PUP has no native enmity-generating tools, no native damage mitigation tools other than pretty good evasion, and doesn't deal enough damage from the master alone to keep up with competent DDs.

Maybe a "failed experiments" section? ;)


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Well I don't mind that they tried to tank... it was that all the posts on the topic were really very bad. I tanked on my way to 75 too back then, but I learned a lot more from the experience. For example, I used my puppet to strobe-voke half-way after my own, so that I wouldn't lose hate towards the end of my provoke.

I didn't find a single useful tip like that in any of the tanking threads. All they said was to sub warrior and use evasion gear, which anyone with any tanking experience knows will not sustain hate.

So I'm really judging the threads themselves, not the topic.


My reply to the recent tanking thread:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=18;mid=1233376620137757656;page=1;howmany=50#m123345119077027885

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I didn't find a single useful tip like that in any of the tanking threads. All they said was to sub warrior and use evasion gear, which anyone with any tanking experience knows will not sustain hate.

So I'm really judging the threads themselves, not the topic.


True enough. I think Natey is converting me - probably better to not include a link to useless information, which is pretty much what's in the threads Enaru compiled.

It's almost worse to have people who don't know any better getting their hopes up about being able to tank just by skimming topics in the sticky that link to **** information.
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Removed it. I knew when I saw enaru's name that the threads were something I remembered, but I couldn't put a finger on why. This was one of the other problems I ran into with Ragga's sticky, it's way to nice. He has a lot of useless threads that say the same thing, and his "no vulgar threads" rule is a bit prudish.

also, It'd be nice if someone would make a thread in =3, since the sticky sticky says that self nominations are bad, though I guess this post isn't much better Smiley: glare
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Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
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Professor Jinte wrote:


It'd be nice if someone would make a thread in =3, since the sticky sticky says that self nominations are bad, though I guess this post isn't much better Smiley: glare
done.
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congrats jinte on the sticky.
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Add the mentor thread to the sticky please, Jinte. Unless I'm totally missing it, in which case, make it more obvious.
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Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
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Links are broken because of forum structure changes.

/sad baby PUP
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Links are broken because of forum structure changes.

/sad baby PUP
edit: nvm, wow, wtf happened...

Edited, Nov 9th 2011 12:49pm by Jinte
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Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
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they changed the forum structure of sub forums, fecking up all the linkage
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The "PUP vs. Goblin Pets" thread is still borked. Fix? Someone? ANYONE???
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The "PUP vs. Goblin Pets" thread is still borked. Fix? Someone? ANYONE???

Here it is. Oddly enough swapping out the %s to & didn't work that one but searching for the OP works.
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Unfortunately, I just don't have the free time anymore to go about fixing all these links, especially given that the method to do so is a bit convoluted. The biggest part is that they all need to be changed from the old forum title (/db/jobs.html?fjob=18;mid=) to the new forum number (/forum.html?forum=253&mid=), but the page and post number notation has changed as well, so it's a real pain in the **** to do. That, and a large number of them are outdated after the massive pupdates last march and again in december.
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Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
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