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#702 May 04 2011 at 1:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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I never actually tested it on ws. BG elitests spamed me hardcore saying it wasn't possible and I should just believe them so I never bothered. Then again they insisted on the crit rate caping at 100... no wait 95%... no wait 100... no erm 95 we have parses this time!

That being said its the same guys who think monk is worlds above pup still lol. O well maybe one day when they are done being butt sore they can look at the parses with our pets and stfu when they realize they arent the top anymore.


Well my linkshell did einherjar tonight, my linkshell leader was very impressed with pup as a damage dealer, i came on 4th, with no buffs whats so ever exept for food, against a masamune sam, a VERY well geared dark, and a kanagi nin (the linkshell leader) we where an almost full alliance, and just between the four of us did over 65% of the whole alliance damage, the scary thing is, the 3 ppl that came ahead of me had a bard and constant haste the whole fight, even bard 2 hours at the end... we all where on a difference of 5% between us, and as my linkshell leader put it, "between the normal error margin, and everthing, you just migth have outparsed everyone, great job man"

so yeah, it came by coinsidence, but that parse cleared some doubts i had.

Edited, May 4th 2011 3:53am by KaynofTitan

Edited, May 4th 2011 3:54am by KaynofTitan
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#703 May 04 2011 at 3:13 AM Rating: Decent
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that's an awesome feat :D Wish I had those kinds of opportunities. I have yet to hear of any shell that allows a pup to exist in their shell over here in caitsith unless you come to events 100% the time as WAR,BLM,WHM,THF,MNK to name a few popular jobs. Compounded by people in leadership roles that are hellbent on the idea that PUP has not evolved at all and relies heavily on old stereotypes of PUP.

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#704 May 05 2011 at 2:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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that's an awesome feat :D Wish I had those kinds of opportunities. I have yet to hear of any shell that allows a pup to exist in their shell over here in caitsith unless you come to events 100% the time as WAR,BLM,WHM,THF,MNK to name a few popular jobs. Compounded by people in leadership roles that are hellbent on the idea that PUP has not evolved at all and relies heavily on old stereotypes of PUP.



people will see eventually, specially if those new weaponskills are any good, those might be that little push the job needs to finally snap out of its stigma completly.

on topic: Karagoz get! cavaros get! i finally dont suck on my back piece choices anymore! yey

Edit: almost single handedly destryoing nyzul 76-80 floors and loosing my saio to some rdm is not funny. i wish i had my disc up to 80 so i can put a group together :/

Edited, May 5th 2011 6:49pm by KaynofTitan
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#705 May 05 2011 at 5:19 PM Rating: Good
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KaynofTitan wrote:

Edit: almost single handedly destryoing nyzul 76-80 floors and loosing my saio to some rdm is not funny. i wish i had my disc up to 80 so i can put a group together :/

Edited, May 5th 2011 6:49pm by KaynofTitan


I'll do some floor 80 runs with you if you'll do some floor 40 runs with me for my Denali legs on COR :P

(After the update and you're on my server)
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#706 May 05 2011 at 5:31 PM Rating: Excellent
MagingMartin wrote:
KaynofTitan wrote:

Edit: almost single handedly destryoing nyzul 76-80 floors and loosing my saio to some rdm is not funny. i wish i had my disc up to 80 so i can put a group together :/

Edited, May 5th 2011 6:49pm by KaynofTitan


I'll do some floor 80 runs with you if you'll do some floor 40 runs with me for my Denali legs on COR :P

(After the update and you're on my server)


(yes, please)
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#707 May 06 2011 at 3:18 AM Rating: Good
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takawaka wrote:
that's an awesome feat :D Wish I had those kinds of opportunities. I have yet to hear of any shell that allows a pup to exist in their shell over here in caitsith unless you come to events 100% the time as WAR,BLM,WHM,THF,MNK to name a few popular jobs. Compounded by people in leadership roles that are hellbent on the idea that PUP has not evolved at all and relies heavily on old stereotypes of PUP.


You should come back to valefor, then! The lol pup stigma is almost completely gone from here.~

EDIT: Forgot this forum turns lol-pup into "I'm a moron" XD

Edited, May 6th 2011 2:19am by Darknightleo
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#708 May 06 2011 at 6:05 PM Rating: Decent
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@darknightleo :D hey long time. I'm pooped been server hopping after shells breaking down and friends quitting. Gonna merge with Ragnarok soon ( 3 days ) and I think some good pups are on ragnarok too :D, Sharain comes to mind!

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Cirque Pantaloni +2
Twilight Belt

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Cirque Cappello +2 ( 4/6 )
Cirque Farsetto +2 ( 2/9 )



Edited, May 7th 2011 6:00am by takawaka
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#709 May 07 2011 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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#710 May 07 2011 at 3:12 PM Rating: Good
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Verethragna Progress!

0/50 Chloris Buds
4/50 Ulhudashi Fangs
21/75 Dragua Scales

I needs me some buds. ; ;

Also I just thought of something:

Aftermath effect + set bonus effect with an automaton at 100% HP + Moonshade Earring with the occ deals extra dmg based on TP at 300%TP = around 1200-1300 dmg crit hits, but the chance of all of them happening at once would probably be mathematically insignificant. :<

Edited, May 7th 2011 2:17pm by Kametame
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#711 May 07 2011 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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Kame, not to be critical but if all those effects correlated, with the proper atma, buffs, food, and abilities, I could see 2k+ crits not being out of the question.
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#712 May 07 2011 at 4:52 PM Rating: Good
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Camwin wrote:
Kame, not to be critical but if all those effects correlated, with the proper atma, buffs, food, and abilities, I could see 2k+ crits not being out of the question.


I thought there was a post here regarding the set bonus and the aftermath were additive and not multiplicative. If I'm wrong, many pants shall be creamed.
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#713 May 07 2011 at 5:13 PM Rating: Good
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Picked up my Burts at 3am today.....omg so much fun!
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#714 May 07 2011 at 7:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Camwin wrote:
Kame, not to be critical but if all those effects correlated, with the proper atma, buffs, food, and abilities, I could see 2k+ crits not being out of the question.


Pretty sure it's additive and not multiplicative. I believe dustin said so as he has a Vera and the full set.
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They are additive, that being said...

I crit for 1200 with just +2 and aftermath. If you added in another 3x

400
400 (10% with full +2)
400 (no idea from aftermath havent seen any solid parses, and its off hand only)
400*3 (requires 300 tp, 5% chance to go off)

=2400


Problem is the aftermath dmg and the x3 dmg are hard to stack since you need to ws at 300 to get the good aftermath, then build back up to 300 tp to get the good dmg bonus from that.

Add in that you are talking about 5% *10% * aftermath%/2 (off hand only) and yeah it might be 1 crit per 1000 crits...but id totally screen shot it.
#716 May 08 2011 at 11:46 AM Rating: Good
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dustinfoley wrote:
Problem is the aftermath dmg and the x3 dmg are hard to stack since you need to ws at 300 to get the good aftermath, then build back up to 300 tp to get the good dmg bonus from that.

Add in that you are talking about 5% *10% * aftermath%/2 (off hand only) and yeah it might be 1 crit per 1000 crits...but id totally screen shot it.


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#717 May 08 2011 at 3:38 PM Rating: Decent
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yeah but for a 5% chance, holding 300% tp for 120 seconds at a time seems so wasteful with all the dmg you could be doing.
#718 May 08 2011 at 11:35 PM Rating: Good
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Main healed a MNK on my first Chloris as PUP/WHM and WHM auto with MM, Apoc, and Rescuer.

2 down, 48 to go~

Edited, May 8th 2011 10:35pm by Kametame
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#719 May 08 2011 at 11:46 PM Rating: Excellent
tanked Iku-Turso with no issue. used valoredge, steam jacket and mana jammer, water dark water maneuvers, waterja waterga and malestrom ended up doing like 150-200 hp, atmas: ducal guard, mounted champion and atma of the lion
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#720 May 09 2011 at 5:39 AM Rating: Good
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dustinfoley wrote:
yeah but for a 5% chance, holding 300% tp for 120 seconds at a time seems so wasteful with all the dmg you could be doing.


Well yeah, but if you're not doing anything before a fight, the option is there
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#721 May 09 2011 at 7:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Achievement: I used the Burts before they were nerfed ;;;
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Louiscool wrote:
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Another achievement: You managed to grow a third eye somehow.
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#723 May 11 2011 at 4:29 AM Rating: Excellent
Wish me luck, i decided that im starting my Verethragna pretty soon, i was not going to build one because burattinaios where so amazing, we all know the rest. but nevertheless, its gonna be a hard road, but its gonna be worth it.

also, Cirque Pantaloni +2 get!
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#724 May 11 2011 at 5:27 AM Rating: Good
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Wish me luck, i decided that im starting my Verethragna pretty soon, i was not going to build one because burattinaios where so amazing, we all know the rest. but nevertheless, its gonna be a hard road, but its gonna be worth it.

also, Cirque Pantaloni +2 get!

I've also Continued my Vereth, I was so happy when I could drop it because of how awesome burts are but...yeah. ; ;
I'm only at 10 fangs no buds >.<;
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#725 May 12 2011 at 4:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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#726 May 13 2011 at 10:38 PM Rating: Good
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Cirque Farsetto +1 is mine! Now to start working on the +2s for all of it!
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#727 May 14 2011 at 7:46 PM Rating: Good
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AF3 +2 set complete!!! finally =D
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#728 May 15 2011 at 5:29 PM Rating: Good
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Darknightleo wrote:
KaynofTitan wrote:
Wish me luck, i decided that im starting my Verethragna pretty soon, i was not going to build one because burattinaios where so amazing, we all know the rest. but nevertheless, its gonna be a hard road, but its gonna be worth it.

also, Cirque Pantaloni +2 get!

I've also Continued my Vereth, I was so happy when I could drop it because of how awesome burts are but...yeah. ; ;
I'm only at 10 fangs no buds >.<;
I hear you on that.

2/50 buds, 6/50 fangs, 21/75 scales...
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Kametame wrote:
Darknightleo wrote:
KaynofTitan wrote:
Wish me luck, i decided that im starting my Verethragna pretty soon, i was not going to build one because burattinaios where so amazing, we all know the rest. but nevertheless, its gonna be a hard road, but its gonna be worth it.

also, Cirque Pantaloni +2 get!

I've also Continued my Vereth, I was so happy when I could drop it because of how awesome burts are but...yeah. ; ;
I'm only at 10 fangs no buds >.<;
I hear you on that.

2/50 buds, 6/50 fangs, 21/75 scales...


I had originally been working on a Vereth, but after seeing how much a PITA KIs are for Tahrongi, and not wanting to deal with static groups (as much) I've decided to go for Rev.Fists... luckily I had stopped during the NM stage once I had obtained Burat., so just 3 more Intulo, 8 other NMs, then VNMs to do...
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Finally got the Cirque Earring, completing the "full set" of Empyrean armor plus all three accessories and JSE 89 weapon.

Also finally picked up a Pantin Taj on my second trip into the new Dyna-Xarc, completing that set. Never was willing to spend LS points on the lolTaj back in the old days before the shell broke, but this one missing piece always did kinda bother me just for completion's sake.

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#731 May 16 2011 at 2:34 PM Rating: Excellent
Anza wrote:
Finally got the Cirque Earring, completing the "full set" of Empyrean armor plus all three accessories and JSE 89 weapon.

Also finally picked up a Pantin Taj on my second trip into the new Dyna-Xarc, completing that set. Never was willing to spend LS points on the lolTaj back in the old days before the shell broke, but this one missing piece always did kinda bother me just for completion's sake.



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Finished 8 chesma last night, got 1st place on hydra and chest had 4 pouches. 2 advancement. got 12 from that, 3 singles from misc. runs that night. Then today this afternoon got 2 pouches that gave me 20 and 1.5m to boot from chest xD

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#734 May 18 2011 at 6:55 PM Rating: Decent
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takawaka wrote:
Finished 8 chesma last night, got 1st place on hydra and chest had 4 pouches. 2 advancement. got 12 from that, 3 singles from misc. runs that night. Then today this afternoon got 2 pouches that gave me 20 and 1.5m to boot from chest xD

Victory Spank Get!

So it only takes a couple days of grinding out WoE to get enough stuff for the fists for VS?
Cause atm with how my LS is I'm starting to think Vereth is out of the question xD
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#735 May 19 2011 at 2:07 AM Rating: Decent
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So it only takes a couple days of grinding out WoE to get enough stuff for the fists for VS?
Cause atm with how my LS is I'm starting to think Vereth is out of the question xD


Getting coins fast depends on your ability to get one of the five personal chests on a zone clear, so don't bring too many people.
I did WoE sword and H2H coins on RDM/SCH, joining runs over the course of a few weeks, scoring my own chest almost every run (and often 1st place), and ended up with enough coins to make 4 more weapons if I ever get the jobs for them. 7 if you count lolstaff, but I tossed those ruin coins.

It's a shame Verathragna leaves no reason to keep Revenant's Fists +2 around... (while 1H weapons can be dualwielded)

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#736 May 19 2011 at 3:24 PM Rating: Good
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yeah you need to place one of the top 5, or get lucky and some people may follow seacoms ( the last 20 from 2 pouches no one had seacommmed so that finished me off and 5 extra ).

Yeah in my situation my schedule isn't stable, so I can't accept or make groups, I'd hate to miss events, not be there to help with other people's emps, and be on the afterburner never knowing if I'll get anything done with a set time ( For this game ). SO rev fists was my only real option, being able to do it whenever people were around.

If conflux 5 is open on your server, generally people go in there with pet jobs, mostly SMN and BST for hydra nm. you can usually place on the top 5 without too much trouble. I usually start out VEhead/SSbody and rake in some dmg in the beginning, while staying out of hurricane breath conal. Then nuking the hydra at the end.

Conflux 2 ( antlions )is good too if you have a good team going for clear, that one I saw alot of adv. coins come out of, good money maker too. I'm not sure how battle assessment works in WoE but I remember seeing a dnc/nin in the back doing nothing but buffing himself and throwing waltzes, steps, and for the most part stayed out of the action, at the end he placed first, so it may be similar to campaign and actions done, and capping all categories of points you can rake in.

I hear slimes is good too, I personally haven't done those much. The fists themselves are really nice. Hopefully the situation is similar to mine over there, I was surprised to see a good handful of people going in, for the most part, people following seacoms and not bombing runs / lotting everything just because they can.

Edited, May 21st 2011 5:53am by takawaka
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If you can find 4 BST/SMNs to go with you in Conflux 5 in WoE, you're pretty much guaranteed first place on PUP. In fact, the fight highlights just how powerful Automatons are compared to Garuda or Dipper Yuly. Unfortunately, it also shows how fragile they are.

You can actually place high in the slimes too if you use your automaton as a hate dump. It dies too fast so using it as incidental damage and a dump for your hate so the big slime doesn't absorb your face is a good idea and will allow you to build a ton of damage far easier than most other DDs.
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@#%^ yeah last attachment belongs to me!!!

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#741 Jun 10 2011 at 2:11 AM Rating: Excellent
i got /drg and /war up to 50, and im loving /drg at the moment, capped haste plus jumps makes it a lot of fun, quite a scenery change from ughtsusemi.
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KaynofTitan wrote:
i got /drg and /war up to 50, and im loving /drg at the moment, capped haste plus jumps makes it a lot of fun, quite a scenery change from ughtsusemi.


I've had /drg for awhile, but didn't really see much use in it since I can cap haste w/out the earring
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#743 Jun 10 2011 at 5:34 PM Rating: Excellent
MagingMartin wrote:
KaynofTitan wrote:
i got /drg and /war up to 50, and im loving /drg at the moment, capped haste plus jumps makes it a lot of fun, quite a scenery change from ughtsusemi.


I've had /drg for awhile, but didn't really see much use in it since I can cap haste w/out the earring



It's just a change of pace kind of thing, really you get bored of nin after that long using it, im having a blast, and i need to +2 some pieces to do that with out the earring, good thing is, i can TP in full af +2 (for the bonus) using the earring with out loosing any haste, dont know what would be the best as i'm not really that good with all the complicated math but i get the gist of it, with /drg i can, even now with my actual gear, cap haste with my whole af +1 (i have +2 legs, and use pantin hands for the Auto haste, but still), im only loosing 2 vit from kemas while tping wich is the earring i replaced for wyvern, but im gaining +3 str +5 dex +5lolint and 8 accuracy amongst the other bonuses for the +1 scarpe, i think its decent, besides im thinking aggressor is lol do to not needing acc so much anymore and /drg has acc bonus trait.

on a side note. i just got Vellaunu's mantle yey! so Cavaros mantle or Vellaunu's for ws? :O
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on a side note. i just got Vellaunu's mantle yey! so Cavaros mantle or Vellaunu's for ws? :O


Outside Aby: Vell's

Inside: Depends on which atmas you take I think. But probably Cavaros
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#745 Jun 10 2011 at 11:00 PM Rating: Excellent
MagingMartin wrote:
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on a side note. i just got Vellaunu's mantle yey! so Cavaros mantle or Vellaunu's for ws? :O


Outside Aby: Vell's

Inside: Depends on which atmas you take I think. But probably Cavaros


most of the time i use voracious violet/razed ruins/ and stout arm or atma of the lion, since i dont have shinryu's atma.

yeah you are probably right, i have a really hard time thinking on removing 20 attack :/, but probably cavaroz wins inside abyssea like you said.
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KaynofTitan wrote:
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KaynofTitan wrote:

on a side note. i just got Vellaunu's mantle yey! so Cavaros mantle or Vellaunu's for ws? :O


Outside Aby: Vell's

Inside: Depends on which atmas you take I think. But probably Cavaros


most of the time i use voracious violet/razed ruins/ and stout arm or atma of the lion, since i dont have shinryu's atma.

yeah you are probably right, i have a really hard time thinking on removing 20 attack :/, but probably cavaroz wins inside
abyssea like you said.


Yeah, if you're using Razed Ruins, Cavaros is certainly the way to go inside Abyssea. Even more so if you're also using Gnarled Horn and/or Sanguine Scythe. Outside, Vellaunus wins.

Speaking of back pieces... gonna take an unsolicited opportunity to trash Karagoz Mantle here. First off, if you need Acc from your back to cap Acc in today's FFXI on 99% of the content, you're doing it very wrong. Second, Pantin Cape is about to become a lot more available to everyone when CoP Dyna gets the "new Dynamis" treatment, likely in the August update. That's gonna cause Karagoz's price to drop like a rock even with (1) people who don't understand they shouldn't need extra Acc from the back slot and (2) people who only kept Karagoz around for something with pet stats and they didn't have Pantin. I can sum up my feelings about Karagoz as: sell it while you can still get some good money for it.

As for my achievement... Epona's Ring get! Along with Hecate's Earring for my COR's QD set. And two Card of Wieldance toward my Cirque+2 hands from Dragua. All off one brew :)
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#747 Jun 16 2011 at 3:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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MagingMartin wrote:
KaynofTitan wrote:

on a side note. i just got Vellaunu's mantle yey! so Cavaros mantle or Vellaunu's for ws? :O


Outside Aby: Vell's

Inside: Depends on which atmas you take I think. But probably Cavaros


most of the time i use voracious violet/razed ruins/ and stout arm or atma of the lion, since i dont have shinryu's atma.

yeah you are probably right, i have a really hard time thinking on removing 20 attack :/, but probably cavaroz wins inside
abyssea like you said.


Yeah, if you're using Razed Ruins, Cavaros is certainly the way to go inside Abyssea. Even more so if you're also using Gnarled Horn and/or Sanguine Scythe. Outside, Vellaunus wins.

Speaking of back pieces... gonna take an unsolicited opportunity to trash Karagoz Mantle here. First off, if you need Acc from your back to cap Acc in today's FFXI on 99% of the content, you're doing it very wrong. Second, Pantin Cape is about to become a lot more available to everyone when CoP Dyna gets the "new Dynamis" treatment, likely in the August update. That's gonna cause Karagoz's price to drop like a rock even with (1) people who don't understand they shouldn't need extra Acc from the back slot and (2) people who only kept Karagoz around for something with pet stats and they didn't have Pantin. I can sum up my feelings about Karagoz as: sell it while you can still get some good money for it.

As for my achievement... Epona's Ring get! Along with Hecate's Earring for my COR's QD set. And two Card of Wieldance toward my Cirque+2 hands from Dragua. All off one brew :)


yeah acc now days is pretty lol, it was my "Pro PUP" back piece, since i dont have access to the ToAU avatar fights i was stuck with lolbellicose or boxers, wich frankly sucked for tp, well bellicose was better than nothing, but i digress, i love my vellaunus' mantle :D.
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Anza wrote:
Speaking of back pieces... gonna take an unsolicited opportunity to trash Karagoz Mantle here. First off, if you need Acc from your back to cap Acc in today's FFXI on 99% of the content, you're doing it very wrong. Second, Pantin Cape is about to become a lot more available to everyone when CoP Dyna gets the "new Dynamis" treatment, likely in the August update. That's gonna cause Karagoz's price to drop like a rock even with (1) people who don't understand they shouldn't need extra Acc from the back slot and (2) people who only kept Karagoz around for something with pet stats and they didn't have Pantin. I can sum up my feelings about Karagoz as: sell it while you can still get some good money for it.


Hm, I'm not sure, Anza. If Voidwatch is a glimpse of the degree of difficulty we'll get on the stuff from 90 to 99, Karagoz will be a really good backpiece, probably the best. I've only fought the Puk NM in Ronfaure, but holy sh*t! Its evasion was crazy, I had like 60-70% acc (don't remember exactly) and poor Sancho almost couldn't land a hit. 600k is in today's econmy not that much (It's a nice chunk, but not super awesome), and the perspective of future super-evasive mobs is enough reason to keep it, at least for me.
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#749 Jun 16 2011 at 3:36 PM Rating: Excellent
TaimMeich wrote:
Anza wrote:
Speaking of back pieces... gonna take an unsolicited opportunity to trash Karagoz Mantle here. First off, if you need Acc from your back to cap Acc in today's FFXI on 99% of the content, you're doing it very wrong. Second, Pantin Cape is about to become a lot more available to everyone when CoP Dyna gets the "new Dynamis" treatment, likely in the August update. That's gonna cause Karagoz's price to drop like a rock even with (1) people who don't understand they shouldn't need extra Acc from the back slot and (2) people who only kept Karagoz around for something with pet stats and they didn't have Pantin. I can sum up my feelings about Karagoz as: sell it while you can still get some good money for it.


Hm, I'm not sure, Anza. If Voidwatch is a glimpse of the degree of difficulty we'll get on the stuff from 90 to 99, Karagoz will be a really good backpiece, probably the best. I've only fought the Puk NM in Ronfaure, but holy sh*t! Its evasion was crazy, I had like 60-70% acc (don't remember exactly) and poor Sancho almost couldn't land a hit. 600k is in today's econmy not that much (It's a nice chunk, but not super awesome), and the perspective of future super-evasive mobs is enough reason to keep it, at least for me.


you have a valid point, but, if i remember correctly at least in my case, when the mob was too evasive, i always resorted to dealing magic damage, it was rare that several damage dealers were wacking something at the same time, and even more rare allowing pet jobs meleeing with their pet too. karagoz might still have uses on the future content i agree but i think it will be far too situational (as almost everything in this game), i might still keep mine if it has not sold yet tho.
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#750 Jun 16 2011 at 7:24 PM Rating: Good
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Also, put things in perspective... Karagoz is only Acc+6 for the master, so it's not really gonna solve your issues if you're having accuracy that terrible. I'm kinda with Kayn on this - if you're in that bad of a spot, might not be something worth putting a melee focus on anyway, PUP might be better off on the backlines nuking with Spiritreaver and giving some support in that case.


On the automaton side, it's easier to deal with Acc issues in two ways:
1) As I just mentioned and like Kayn said, if it's that melee-unfriendly just use Spiritreaver (even if you yourself get in there and punch)
2) Focus on Acc attachments (particularly Target Marker if the mob is higher level so level correction is the issue) and go heavy on the thunder maneuvers. For VE, it has high melee skill anyway so you're probably not gonna be in that bad of shape. SS would benefit the most from Karagoz's Acc, but you do have two other puppet DD choices and you can still rely on attachments for a lot of help.

Plus, if you're struggling that badly for Acc with our now normal TP stuff like Cirque +1/+2 body/legs, a good Acc neck (Agasaya, Faith, PCC, even Cirque), etc... then 6 Acc from the back probably isn't gonna make that much difference anyway. If it was that bad, you might just want to do something like give up haste slots for Acc (it's not that crazy, it's what we used to do as a norm when PUP was massively Acc-deficient). Tokon Hachimaki instead of a haste head, Anguinus Belt instead of a haste belt, etc. Not something you'd want to do in most TP situations, but for something truly that hard to hit, might be worth it.

And finally... I have a feeling the Voidwatch NMs are something we're expected to grow into with lv95 and new gear, so although they may be high end now I don't really see all new content continuing to be that hard in relation to the players' levels. And even if that's not the case and more and more content is Voidwatch-level difficulty in the future, Karagoz is STILL likely going to take a dive in price once Pantin Cape is easier to get. So you can always pick it back up cheaper later.

I guess I'll edit my previous statement to say that unless you're planning to be a diehard lv90 Voidwatch fanatic for the next 2 months, sell Karagoz when you can. Because other than that, there's not really any content in the game where Acc in the back slot matters at all considering our other normal gear these days.

Anyway, congrats on the Vellaunus Kayn. No matter what, that's a nice new pickup :D

Edited, Jun 16th 2011 9:26pm by Anza
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#751 Jun 17 2011 at 2:52 PM Rating: Excellent
Anza wrote:
Also, put things in perspective... Karagoz is only Acc+6 for the master, so it's not really gonna solve your issues if you're having accuracy that terrible. I'm kinda with Kayn on this - if you're in that bad of a spot, might not be something worth putting a melee focus on anyway, PUP might be better off on the backlines nuking with Spiritreaver and giving some support in that case.


On the automaton side, it's easier to deal with Acc issues in two ways:
1) As I just mentioned and like Kayn said, if it's that melee-unfriendly just use Spiritreaver (even if you yourself get in there and punch)
2) Focus on Acc attachments (particularly Target Marker if the mob is higher level so level correction is the issue) and go heavy on the thunder maneuvers. For VE, it has high melee skill anyway so you're probably not gonna be in that bad of shape. SS would benefit the most from Karagoz's Acc, but you do have two other puppet DD choices and you can still rely on attachments for a lot of help.

Plus, if you're struggling that badly for Acc with our now normal TP stuff like Cirque +1/+2 body/legs, a good Acc neck (Agasaya, Faith, PCC, even Cirque), etc... then 6 Acc from the back probably isn't gonna make that much difference anyway. If it was that bad, you might just want to do something like give up haste slots for Acc (it's not that crazy, it's what we used to do as a norm when PUP was massively Acc-deficient). Tokon Hachimaki instead of a haste head, Anguinus Belt instead of a haste belt, etc. Not something you'd want to do in most TP situations, but for something truly that hard to hit, might be worth it.

And finally... I have a feeling the Voidwatch NMs are something we're expected to grow into with lv95 and new gear, so although they may be high end now I don't really see all new content continuing to be that hard in relation to the players' levels. And even if that's not the case and more and more content is Voidwatch-level difficulty in the future, Karagoz is STILL likely going to take a dive in price once Pantin Cape is easier to get. So you can always pick it back up cheaper later.

I guess I'll edit my previous statement to say that unless you're planning to be a diehard lv90 Voidwatch fanatic for the next 2 months, sell Karagoz when you can. Because other than that, there's not really any content in the game where Acc in the back slot matters at all considering our other normal gear these days.

Anyway, congrats on the Vellaunus Kayn. No matter what, that's a nice new pickup :D

Edited, Jun 16th 2011 9:26pm by Anza


thanks! im pretty happy with it, such a massive improvement on what im used to equip on my back, no more atheling-envy from my pup to my sam lol
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