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Tactical Processor Attachment


The description on the Tactical Processor attachment states "Desreases decision-making time, but increase the tendency to overload" although this description is terribly vague it also hold true too its statement. The Tactical Processor DEOS NOT EFFECT SPELL-CASTING in any way!!

What the "Tactical Processor" deos is dramtically decrease the time too activate ability attachments such as Shock Absorber, Reactive Shield, Flashbulb, Economizer, Mana Converter and Eraser. The automaton AI system sometime have a tendency to not use ability attachments immediately after the master uses a maneuver; or immediately after the recast timer for a certain attachment is up. This is Most notically seen in attachments such as Shock Absorber, Economizer and the Mana Converter. The Shock Absorber attachment has a recast timer of 3 minute, however without the Tactical Processor it CAN take up to 4 or 5 minute before another stoneskin is activated, even if one is spamming earth maneuvers. With the Tactical Processor, ability attachment are activate almost immediately after its recast timer. Also If a recast timer happens to elapse while the corresponding maneuver is left on the screen the attachment will also be activated without spamming a new maneuver.


Data

Frame: Stormwaker
Automaton’s Attachments: All Recast Timers Are 0:00 and Ready For Use
Mob: Goblin Smithy
No Tactical Processor equiped

1) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber deos not activate
2) Master Uses Light Maneuver --> Flash Bulb is activated
3) Master Uses Fire Maneuver --> Reactive Shield is activated
4) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber deos not activate
5) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shack Absorber is activated


Frame: Stormwaker
Automaton’s Attachments: All Recast Timers Are 0:00 and Ready For Use
Mob: Goblin Smithy
Tactical Processor equiped

1) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber is activated
2) Master Uses Light Maneuver --> Flash Bulb is activated
3) Master Uses Fire Maneuver --> Reactive Shield is activated


Frame: Stormwaker
Economizer Attachment: Recast at 0:00 and Ready For Use
Mob: Goblin Gambler
No Tactical Processor equipped
Automaton’s Mp: 81/486

1) Use Dark Maneuver --> Economizer does not activate
2) Use Dark Maneuver --> Economizer does not activate
3) Use Light Maneuver --> Flash Bulb is activated
4) Use Dark Maneuver --> Economizer is activated


Frame: Stormwaker
Economizer Attachment: Recast at 0:00 and Ready For Use
Mob: Goblin Shaman
Tactical Processor equipped
Automaton’s Mp: 96/486

1) Use Dark Maneuver --> Economizer is activated.
2) Use Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber is activated
3) Use Fire Maneuver --> Reactive Shield is activated
4) Use Light Maneuver --> Flash Bulb is activated


Frame: Valoredge
Automaton’s Attachments: All Recast Timers Are 0:00 and Ready For Use
Mob: Death Wasp
No Tactical Processor equipped

1) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
2) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
3) Master Uses Light Maneuver --> Flash Bulb is activated
4) Master Uses Fire Maneuver --> Reactive Shield is activated
5) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
6) Master Uses Water Maneuver --> (For Condensor Protection)
7) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
8) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber is activated


Frame: Valoredge
Automaton’s Attachments: All Recast Timers Are 0:00 and Ready For Use
Mob: Goblin Leecher
Tactical Processor equiped

1) Master Uses Light Maneuver --> Flash Bulb is activated
2) Master Uses Earth Manever --> Shock Absorber does not activate
2) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber is activated
3) Master Uses Fire Maneuver --> Reactive Shield is activated



Further Analysis

If a recast timer reaches 0:00 while the corresponding maneuver is left on the screen the attachment will also be activated without spamming a new maneuver. For example is a light maneuver is up and the 45 sec recast timer for flash bulb has passed another flashbulb is use almost instantaneous without the spamming of a new light maneuver. Moreover even with the tactical processor the automaton can fail to use an ability attachment right after the recast timer has passed, however this is rare. The tactical processor improves the reliability that the automaton will activated ability attachments associated with a given maneuver.

I also test this as it relates to magic spamming, and there is no relationship. Without the tactical processor casting speed was fixed at 26 seconds from beginning of casting to beginning of casting. With the tactical processor casting speed was still fixed as 26 seconds from beginning of casting to beginning of casting, regardless of how many ice maneuver the master has up. Mapping this data out is useless, because all corresponding casting speed were around 25 – 27 seconds.



Conclusion

What maneuvers do is influence the automation to use the ability of a given attachment, but that exactly what is does “Influence The Automaton!” The tactical processor deos more than influence, it demands the automaton to use the ability of an given attachment immediately and promptly after its recast timers are up with little to no decision time involved.

In the experimental trials I also notice that valoredge would often interrupt mob’s Tp moves with shield bash with the “Tactical Processor” equipped. Although valoredge did also use shield bash to interrupt mob’s Tp moves without the tactical processor equipped, it did not occur nearly as often as it did with the tactical processor equiped.

With the stormwaker I did see changes in the AI with the tactical processor equipped, the stormwaker would often use aero, fire or even stone too finish off a mob. It would not engage in overkill, if the mob is capable of being killed by a lower lvl nuke, the tactical processor will allow the stormwaker to make that decision. From my observation, this allows the automaton to be more precise with its mp when necessary.

Its too difficult to lay out data on Stormwaker’s lower lvl nukes to K’O mobs and Valoredge’s shield bash in relation to the tactical processor. However its an observation that I observed in which I can say there is a relationship. Moreover the data more concretely show that the tactical processor has an effect on the automaton ability to activated ability attachments.


That’s all I got, back-up tests will still be conducted to see if I missed anything.






Edited, Jun 4th 2007 4:18pm by Cljader

woohoo... so this may be something that could be used to enhance the VE frame quite a bit if it is able to use the shield bash more effectively. perhaps this in conjunction with the analyzer could prove to be a very nice anti-tp anti-spell setup for parties. i know that i could handle stopping some -aga spells more often.

Very good info. I was thinking that since ranged attacks on the sharpshot are also considered timed job abilities, would this increase the speed or not. I should give it a try and see what happens.

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I believe it is a range issue with JA's and the same thing can happen to Ranged Attacks and Flashbulb. Sometimes it is accompanied by a "Monster is too far away" message and sometimes it will get seriously glitchy and display "Maton uses Provoke but the spell fails to take effect." Deploying the Maton on or above a incline to a monster below it seems to trigger this more than simply deploying it on flat terrain. For instance I've noticed it a few times XPing on mummies or soloing lower level Puks.

Nice to see all the testing btw, yourself included Nate.

Maybe you should have timed all the uses, that may have helped the information a bit. Only thing i felt was missing is the times from the activation, engagement, etc. This is at least a good start though. i'll give it a try with shield bash soon.

Thx for the post Cljader,

We both had the same concept of a "downtime" between actions. I limited myself to spells because that is an area I that I use most often; it’s good to see you taking it on step farther.




-AvoBeta

Thanks for the very helpful post Cljader. Ive always wondered why it felt that my puppet would react faster to maneuvers when Tactical Processor is equipped. So yeah the name of the attachment actually makes sense now.

The fact that this attachement, based on your observation makes shield bash more efficient, already merits Tactical Processor a slot for my valoredge. Not to mention it will also help with flash and shock absorber.

Edited, Jun 4th 2007 9:39pm by jjquirante

Nice work!

For some reason I have a funny feeling that Animator +1 will affect the automaton in the same way that you have proven Tactical Processor does. Because really, there is no other practical sense of "Allows orders to be more directly relayed to the automaton." Everything else about the job besides the attachment abilities is direct enough.

And if that were the case, then Animator +1 would definitely be worth getting, because you get the benefit on ensuring attachment abilities fire off without the fear of overloading. (then again Animator flavor text don't ever seem to really mean anything)

Great work. Hopefully you can find out more of exactly what this thing does through your back-up tests as well. When that happens I hope you'll allow me to add that to 201 as well.

Someone confirm his tests please. Learn from your mistakes. Don't just take it as gospel, like last time. -.-




They're on seperate timers. They may, however, interfere with each other by a second or two. The puppet can't both use a job ability and cast a spell at the same time, so one has to wait for the other. I'm not sure if normal attack swings affect timers at all.

If you're going to test it with shield bash you might be able to solve the shield bash timer with relation to the 4 frame heads..

and if we have that info, we might be able to go 1 step further and figure out for sure what the hell Analyzer does

I can not confirm this to be the case. When I go to ENM60, I let my Automation tank. After I call the Automation(Valoredge), I let recast time go to 17:00 (3min waiting). Afterwards, I put one Earth Maneuver up and sends it to fight it does Shock Absorber all the time.

If I choose to do Light Maneuver or Fire Maneuver afterwards, Flash and Reactive shield and/or Provoke will fire as well.

This information is true for preupdate ENM60 fight. Not sure how update has affected this AI.

I forgot to mention that I didn't have any Light Manuevers up but when I issued a single Light Manuever, that's when I saw the rapid Flash->Cure III event. Sorry for not posting everything. The only manuever I had up prior was a Dark Manuever.

I'm not assuming anything. The attachment doesn't even say "shield bash" on it. The wording is so ambiguous that assuming it affects shield bash isn't even an educated guess; all we know is it somehow protects us from "special attacks" and they have to have been "previously used". I haven't seen anyone draw any conclusions on this, aside from some random noob saying, "hai goiz, i bat it halps sheild bazh!" If it were that simple, it just would have said "enhances shield bash" or "increases stun effect of shield bash". I think the hammermill text is further proof of that. I know SE's wording is obscure, but it seems ridiculous to introduce an attachment that directly enhances a job ability, without mentioning the ability.

Its funny you think you're making a good point, but posting it in a thread about Tactical Processor - an attachment with a description that does not support your reasoning at all. In fact, going by your reasoning at all, its not going to do anything, since it doesn't identify what it deals with.

Thats as good as saying, "Tactical Processor doesn't mention any attachment abilities, so it can't do anything with regards to that". However, attachment descriptions are all fairly ambiguous. I'm sure you know that not all attachments necessarily address the ability they involve. Not all equipment in the game address the abilities they involve either.

What I'm saying this - we don't know what Analyzer really does, but if someone says it felt like it affects Shield Bash, at least we can start from there.

analogy: someone says X + Y = Z (all are constants)
We know X, we're slowly finding out Y, so eventually we can prove whether Z is actually X + Y.

I personally think it affects resist rate from TP moves more than whatever else, but I'm not speaking for myself in suggesting what i stated above.

my good point, and i repeat.

someone says X + Y = Z (all are constants)
We know X, we're slowly finding out Y, so eventually we can prove whether Z is actually X + Y.

Solve by elimination of unknowns. seriously though I don't see your point of nitpicking about it.. why don't you go test it yourself?

The analyzer has absolutely nothing to do with shield bash. Like Natey said, it doesn't even say shield bash in it--who thought up that notion? What it does is weakens attacks that the enemy has already used, which happens to be exactly what it says it does; "mitigating damage of special attacks previously used." I went out and had it equipped while Flamingo's helldived my Campanello a bunch of times, and the damage would drop significantly over the time of one fight. It's part of the horological set, along with the heat seeker and pattern reader.

Poofs PUP guide

Poof probably isnt the original source but the idea of it affecting Shield Bash came a damn long time ago, because it was the underlying theory about the attachment when Pichon was doing his testing.. of which he didn't actually do any for Analyzer in the end but left the theory there.

Good job Nateypoo

I am glad that someone can reproduce my results. I have no clue where Cljader got the 4-5min with out Tactical processor or how he conducted his test but I couldnt reproduce his results.

Fadhil

Cljader, what we are saying is that we can not reproduce your result.

When I tested it, my automation always used Shock Absorber at 17:00 (3min wait) after calling the automation. I do not have the Tactical Processor so I can not test this side of AI but we are finding that we can not reproduce your results with out the Tactical Processor equiped.

I'll run another test later tonight with a naked Valoredge and shock absorber.

Fadhil

I just tested this also with almost every single part with a animation, I could find no variation between recasts that could not be explained away by slight lag. Stoneskin was always 3:00-3:06, Flash was always :45-:49, Eraser was always :30-:34 seconds, Replicator fired every minute, etc..

I tested these without Tactical Processor. Eraser was tested by using poison potions. For Replicator I summoned the SW frame outside Port Jeuno, zoned into Jeuno and assembled the VE, then went back out to Sau w/e and the VE had roughly 1/2 HP. At the same time I tested Replicator with the VE I also tested Reactive shield, which seems to have a slightly higher recast than Replicator and I'm guessing its 1:05-1:10 range.

I wonder, perhaps might the Tactical Processor effect parts such as Pattern Reader, Heat Seeker, and Analyzer? Seems like a logical path to test, yet I'm not sure how I would. If anyone has any ideas please let me know and I'll try them out.

Pattern Reader: Analyzes enemy attack pattern and gradually increases evasion

Analyzer: Increases chance of mitigating the effects of special attacks previously used by the enemy.

Heat Seeker: Analyzes enemy evasion patterns and gradually enhances accuracy.

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Hmmm...This is a good inquiery of study, I think someone should look at this. But there a problem, we dont even know what those attachments do.

Im sorry I dont get the picture, the piont is to test this and help the pup community. Im not sure what your doing...

I think he's just proving that the puppet does all of those things without the tactical processor. It's like claiming the processor allows the Sharpshot to use ranged attack because I had it hooked up, and he was shooting.

I for one have never ever noticed a delay in flash, provoke, or convert. Stoneskin may depend on not having the effect up already, and I don't use it often or pay much attention.

I'm going to have to agree that maybe you had some other factors influencing this if he didn't activate abilities immediately that had their recast timers up when using the appropriate maneuver.

I don't think anyone here is trying to be a jerk or pick a fight. Most of us have this attachment. Most of us could have sold it for a few 100k. Most of us would like for it to have a use. Your testing is appreciated, I just don't find it to be particularly valid.

We can at least all agree that it does make you overload more right? :D

Lotan