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#1 Jun 04 2007 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
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Tactical Processor Attachment


The description on the Tactical Processor attachment states "Desreases decision-making time, but increase the tendency to overload" although this description is terribly vague it also hold true too its statement. The Tactical Processor DEOS NOT EFFECT SPELL-CASTING in any way!!

What the "Tactical Processor" deos is dramtically decrease the time too activate ability attachments such as Shock Absorber, Reactive Shield, Flashbulb, Economizer, Mana Converter and Eraser. The automaton AI system sometime have a tendency to not use ability attachments immediately after the master uses a maneuver; or immediately after the recast timer for a certain attachment is up. This is Most notically seen in attachments such as Shock Absorber, Economizer and the Mana Converter. The Shock Absorber attachment has a recast timer of 3 minute, however without the Tactical Processor it CAN take up to 4 or 5 minute before another stoneskin is activated, even if one is spamming earth maneuvers. With the Tactical Processor, ability attachment are activate almost immediately after its recast timer. Also If a recast timer happens to elapse while the corresponding maneuver is left on the screen the attachment will also be activated without spamming a new maneuver.


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Frame: Stormwaker
Automaton’s Attachments: All Recast Timers Are 0:00 and Ready For Use
Mob: Goblin Smithy
No Tactical Processor equiped


1) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber deos not activate
2) Master Uses Light Maneuver --> Flash Bulb is activated
3) Master Uses Fire Maneuver --> Reactive Shield is activated
4) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber deos not activate
5) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shack Absorber is activated


Frame: Stormwaker
Automaton’s Attachments: All Recast Timers Are 0:00 and Ready For Use
Mob: Goblin Smithy
Tactical Processor equiped


1) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber is activated
2) Master Uses Light Maneuver --> Flash Bulb is activated
3) Master Uses Fire Maneuver --> Reactive Shield is activated


Frame: Stormwaker
Economizer Attachment: Recast at 0:00 and Ready For Use
Mob: Goblin Gambler
No Tactical Processor equipped
Automaton’s Mp: 81/486


1) Use Dark Maneuver --> Economizer does not activate
2) Use Dark Maneuver --> Economizer does not activate
3) Use Light Maneuver --> Flash Bulb is activated
4) Use Dark Maneuver --> Economizer is activated


Frame: Stormwaker
Economizer Attachment: Recast at 0:00 and Ready For Use
Mob: Goblin Shaman
Tactical Processor equipped
Automaton’s Mp: 96/486


1) Use Dark Maneuver --> Economizer is activated.
2) Use Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber is activated
3) Use Fire Maneuver --> Reactive Shield is activated
4) Use Light Maneuver --> Flash Bulb is activated


Frame: Valoredge
Automaton’s Attachments: All Recast Timers Are 0:00 and Ready For Use
Mob: Death Wasp
No Tactical Processor equipped


1) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
2) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
3) Master Uses Light Maneuver --> Flash Bulb is activated
4) Master Uses Fire Maneuver --> Reactive Shield is activated
5) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
6) Master Uses Water Maneuver --> (For Condensor Protection)
7) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
8) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber is activated


Frame: Valoredge
Automaton’s Attachments: All Recast Timers Are 0:00 and Ready For Use
Mob: Goblin Leecher
Tactical Processor equiped


1) Master Uses Light Maneuver --> Flash Bulb is activated
2) Master Uses Earth Manever --> Shock Absorber does not activate
2) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber is activated
3) Master Uses Fire Maneuver --> Reactive Shield is activated



Further Analysis

If a recast timer reaches 0:00 while the corresponding maneuver is left on the screen the attachment will also be activated without spamming a new maneuver. For example is a light maneuver is up and the 45 sec recast timer for flash bulb has passed another flashbulb is use almost instantaneous without the spamming of a new light maneuver. Moreover even with the tactical processor the automaton can fail to use an ability attachment right after the recast timer has passed, however this is rare. The tactical processor improves the reliability that the automaton will activated ability attachments associated with a given maneuver.

I also test this as it relates to magic spamming, and there is no relationship. Without the tactical processor casting speed was fixed at 26 seconds from beginning of casting to beginning of casting. With the tactical processor casting speed was still fixed as 26 seconds from beginning of casting to beginning of casting, regardless of how many ice maneuver the master has up. Mapping this data out is useless, because all corresponding casting speed were around 25 – 27 seconds.



Conclusion

What maneuvers do is influence the automation to use the ability of a given attachment, but that exactly what is does “Influence The Automaton!” The tactical processor deos more than influence, it demands the automaton to use the ability of an given attachment immediately and promptly after its recast timers are up with little to no decision time involved.

In the experimental trials I also notice that valoredge would often interrupt mob’s Tp moves with shield bash with the “Tactical Processor” equipped. Although valoredge did also use shield bash to interrupt mob’s Tp moves without the tactical processor equipped, it did not occur nearly as often as it did with the tactical processor equiped.

With the stormwaker I did see changes in the AI with the tactical processor equipped, the stormwaker would often use aero, fire or even stone too finish off a mob. It would not engage in overkill, if the mob is capable of being killed by a lower lvl nuke, the tactical processor will allow the stormwaker to make that decision. From my observation, this allows the automaton to be more precise with its mp when necessary.

Its too difficult to lay out data on Stormwaker’s lower lvl nukes to K’O mobs and Valoredge’s shield bash in relation to the tactical processor. However its an observation that I observed in which I can say there is a relationship. Moreover the data more concretely show that the tactical processor has an effect on the automaton ability to activated ability attachments.


That’s all I got, back-up tests will still be conducted to see if I missed anything.






Edited, Jun 4th 2007 4:18pm by Cljader
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#2 Jun 04 2007 at 11:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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#3 Jun 04 2007 at 11:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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woohoo... so this may be something that could be used to enhance the VE frame quite a bit if it is able to use the shield bash more effectively. perhaps this in conjunction with the analyzer could prove to be a very nice anti-tp anti-spell setup for parties. i know that i could handle stopping some -aga spells more often.
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I didnt see this on my first read, but did you need a manuever up to get the full effect of Tactical Processor? Basically, did you need to use Ice Manuever combined with Fire, Earth, or Dark to get them to activate when they were supposed to or does Tactical Processor only need to be equipped to be active?

Also, how long were you waiting after Activating your automaton before Deploying and running these tests? Ive noticed my Automaton doesnt always behave as he is supposed to if I Deploy almost immediately after Activation. There seems to have a cool down time...unless what I am seeing is the very thing that Tactical Processor helps get rid of.

Ive noticed several times in the ENM where I would Activate, buff myself up and whatnot, then run down the tunnel, use a Fire Manuever followed by Deploy and my Automaton wouldnt voke.

Lastly, you say that it dramtically decreases the time it takes for an automaton to use its abilities. At any time during your testing, did you notice if it also dramatically increased the rate of Overload?

I guess if any PUP who is good at playing it safe and timing attachments wont have many Overload issues and can then take full advantage of the decreased/more reliable timers on the abilities.

Anyways, Great read. Lots of good info there. Its nice to see some concrete information on this attachment. Rate up ;)
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Very good info. I was thinking that since ranged attacks on the sharpshot are also considered timed job abilities, would this increase the speed or not. I should give it a try and see what happens.
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Basically, did you need to use Ice Manuever combined with Fire, Earth, or Dark to get them to activate when they were supposed to or does Tactical Processor only need to be equipped to be active?


Good question, you only have too have the tactical processor equiped. Ability attachments was activated much faster with the tactical processor eqiuped, to the piont where its was almost instanteous. But I am uncertian if spamming ice maneuvers will increase this.


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There seems to have a cool down time...unless what I am seeing is the very thing that Tactical Processor helps get rid of.


There definitely appears to be a cool down time after activation, i noticed that in my experiment, once the automaton is activated the recast timers are not reset. Shock absorber take a full 3 mins too reset...I Dont think tactical processor can do anything about that


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At any time during your testing, did you notice if it also dramatically increased the rate of Overload?


Yes is greatly increase overload...Condensor is highly reconmended, i had too use condensor many many of times


I am still testing this attachment because it deos seem to effect the automaton AI system

Edited, Jun 4th 2007 3:54pm by Cljader
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#8 Jun 04 2007 at 3:07 PM Rating: Good
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I don't understand your tests exactly, please explain what you did in more detail.

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Frame: Stormwaker
Shock Absorber Attachment: Recast 3 minutes
Mob: Goblin Smithy
No Tactical Processor equiped

1) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber deos not activate
2) Master Uses Light Maneuver --> Flash Bulb is activated
3) Master Uses Fire Maneuver --> Reactive Shield is activated
4) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber deos not activate
5) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shack Absorber is activated
What does this mean?
You waited three minutes and used an earth maneuver, and nothing happened?
Was it precisely three minutes, or...?

Are these five seperate trials or did you spam maneuvers 1-5 back to back?

Example:
3:00 mark, used earth maneuver
3:10 mark, used light maneuver
3:20 mark, used fire maneuver
3:30 mark, used earth maneuver
3:40 mark, used earth maneuver

Also, I don't understand the purpose of throwing the flash bulb and reactive shield into a test on the shock absorber proves.





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The Shock Absorber attachment has a recast timer of 3 minute, however without the Tactical Processor it CAN take up to 4 or 5 minute before another stoneskin is activated, even if one is spamming earth maneuvers.
Could there be the possibility that the old stoneskin remains active for five minutes, even though the recast timer is three minutes? The active duration of spell stoneskin is five minutes: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Stoneskin I'm not sure if the automaton's version has the same duration or properties, but a PC's stoneskin cannot overwrite itself until the previous stoneskin has worn. I haven't tested the shock absorber extensively, but if you're experiencing these massive discrepencies then perhaps you should look into this first.




Honestly I don't understand the tests because I've never experienced an unexpected lag in using job abilities. For example, my ENM video with the valoredge shows the flashbulb activating every 45 seconds. Occasionally it will take a few extra seconds, but I think that's due to an untimely spell cast. I believe the puppet cannot perform the two actions at once, so one gets delayed slightly. From what I have observered, the puppet always uses an ability immediately if the timer is ready. I almost always use the economizer with my curebot setup. If I have a dark maneuver up and the timer is ready, it goes off. There's no "maybe it will go off" or "it could take an extra minute". It fires immediately, every time. Either I didn't understand your post or I completely don't agree.








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Ive noticed several times in the ENM where I would Activate, buff myself up and whatnot, then run down the tunnel, use a Fire Manuever followed by Deploy and my Automaton wouldnt voke.
I actually have experienced this though. That's kind of odd. I'm not sure what causes it, but I haven't seen it happen with other attachments. When it does happen, it seems like it skips an entire round, as if the provoke failed and the timer was reset. It seems like a bug honestly when it does happen, because it's so rare and unexpected.
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When it does happen, it seems like it skips an entire round, as if the provoke failed and the timer was reset. It seems like a bug honestly when it does happen, because it's so rare and unexpected.


I believe it is a range issue with JA's and the same thing can happen to Ranged Attacks and Flashbulb. Sometimes it is accompanied by a "Monster is too far away" message and sometimes it will get seriously glitchy and display "Maton uses Provoke but the spell fails to take effect." Deploying the Maton on or above a incline to a monster below it seems to trigger this more than simply deploying it on flat terrain. For instance I've noticed it a few times XPing on mummies or soloing lower level Puks.

Nice to see all the testing btw, yourself included Nate.
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Frame: Stormwaker
Shock Absorber Attachment: Recast 3 minutes
Mob: Goblin Smithy
No Tactical Processor equiped

1) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber deos not activate
2) Master Uses Light Maneuver --> Flash Bulb is activated
3) Master Uses Fire Maneuver --> Reactive Shield is activated
4) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber deos not activate
5) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shack Absorber is activated
What does this mean?
You waited three minutes and used an earth maneuver, and nothing happened?
Was it precisely three minutes, or...?

Are these five seperate trials or did you spam maneuvers 1-5 back to back?

Example:


Actually thanks for pionting that out, "The Recast 3 minutes" was a typo i forgot too erased, its been fixed it should read "Automaton’s Attachments: All Recast Timers Are 0:00 and Ready For Use" just as all the other experimental trails, it means that i have waited until all the ability attachments recast timers are 0:00 on the automaton


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I almost always use the economizer with my curebot setup. If I have a dark maneuver up and the timer is ready, it goes off. There's no "maybe it will go off" or "it could take an extra minute". It fires immediately, every time. Either I didn't understand your post or I completely don't agree.


I experience diffuculty in this, with the economizer there did appear to be lag in the usage of the attachment. I tested this attachment sum 20-25 times and it wouldnt fire every 3 minutes, sometimes it was 3:30 and sometimes it was 4 mins without the tactical processor. With the tactical most things activated on the first attempt after the recast timer is up


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Ive noticed several times in the ENM where I would Activate, buff myself up and whatnot, then run down the tunnel, use a Fire Manuever followed by Deploy and my Automaton wouldnt voke.
I actually have experienced this though. That's kind of odd. I'm not sure what causes it, but I haven't seen it happen with other attachments. When it does happen, it seems like it skips an entire round, as if the provoke failed and the timer was reset. It seems like a bug honestly when it does happen, because it's so rare and unexpected.


When you first activate the automaton the abilities for the attachments are not reset, you have to wait 45 secs too use flash bulb, 3 mins to use shock absorber etc.











Edited, Jun 4th 2007 4:40pm by Cljader
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Maybe you should have timed all the uses, that may have helped the information a bit. Only thing i felt was missing is the times from the activation, engagement, etc. This is at least a good start though. i'll give it a try with shield bash soon.
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Remember this is the first set on experimental trails on this thing not related to magic casting. I didnt get Schuren right on the first try it took me 2 to 3 attempts at it, it may take the same amount of try's on this attachment too. With that being said, what I found in this experiment that the tactical processor has an effect on the activation speed of ability attachments. Furthermore the seem to be a relationship between the automaton AI system, in regards to Valoredge shield bash and Stormwaker low lvl nuking to KO mob, and the tactical processor. That the next target area of study for me, if anyone has infomation to contradict the current study feel free to share
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Thx for the post Cljader,

We both had the same concept of a "downtime" between actions. I limited myself to spells because that is an area I that I use most often; it’s good to see you taking it on step farther.




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Out of curiosity, which frame were you using when you tested the economizer and mana converter? I can't recall if the puppet needs to attempt to cast a spell in order to trigger them. If the puppet is waiting to cast a spell before using them, it could explain the large variance.
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Thanks for the very helpful post Cljader. Ive always wondered why it felt that my puppet would react faster to maneuvers when Tactical Processor is equipped. So yeah the name of the attachment actually makes sense now.

The fact that this attachement, based on your observation makes shield bash more efficient, already merits Tactical Processor a slot for my valoredge. Not to mention it will also help with flash and shock absorber.

Edited, Jun 4th 2007 9:39pm by jjquirante
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Out of curiosity, which frame were you using when you tested the economizer and mana converter? I can't recall if the puppet needs to attempt to cast a spell in order to trigger them. If the puppet is waiting to cast a spell before using them, it could explain the large variance.



I used the stormwaker in regards to testing the economizer, thats the frame in which I observed the differences.



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The fact that this attachement, based on you observation makes shield back more efficient, already merits Tactical Processor a slot for my valoredge. Not to mention it will also help with flash and shock absorber.


I will be conducting more test on this within the next couple of days, because there definitely seem to be something there.

Edited, Jun 4th 2007 5:35pm by Cljader
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Out of curiosity, which frame were you using when you tested the economizer and mana converter? I can't recall if the puppet needs to attempt to cast a spell in order to trigger them.


Either of the DD frames will use Economizer regardless of having no mp, not sure but I would say Mana Converter should work too.
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For some reason I have a funny feeling that Animator +1 will affect the automaton in the same way that you have proven Tactical Processor does. Because really, there is no other practical sense of "Allows orders to be more directly relayed to the automaton." Everything else about the job besides the attachment abilities is direct enough.

And if that were the case, then Animator +1 would definitely be worth getting, because you get the benefit on ensuring attachment abilities fire off without the fear of overloading. (then again Animator flavor text don't ever seem to really mean anything)

Great work. Hopefully you can find out more of exactly what this thing does through your back-up tests as well. When that happens I hope you'll allow me to add that to 201 as well.
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I have a question about enhancements like Flashbulb. When Flashbulb is executed against a mob, does the SW have to wait XX about of seconds before it can cast a Cure or are they not on the same AI timer for spells?

Edited, Jun 6th 2007 11:05am by netglen
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#21 Jun 06 2007 at 8:48 AM Rating: Good
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Someone confirm his tests please. Learn from your mistakes. Don't just take it as gospel, like last time. -.-




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When Flashbulb is executed against a mob, does the SW have to wait XX about of seconds before it can cast a Cure or are they not on the same AI timer for spells?
They're on seperate timers. They may, however, interfere with each other by a second or two. The puppet can't both use a job ability and cast a spell at the same time, so one has to wait for the other. I'm not sure if normal attack swings affect timers at all.
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Someone confirm his tests please. Learn from your mistakes. Don't just take it as gospel, like last time. -.-


Im going to conduct back-up test to try to confirm this experiment, but as of right now this is the best information we got until new testing is done. Back up tests are needed, and experiments need to be conducted on the tactical processor's relation to shield-bash as well.

Edited, Jun 6th 2007 10:20am by Cljader
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#23 Jun 06 2007 at 9:41 AM Rating: Default
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If you're going to test it with shield bash you might be able to solve the shield bash timer with relation to the 4 frame heads..

and if we have that info, we might be able to go 1 step further and figure out for sure what the **** Analyzer does
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They're on seperate timers. They may, however, interfere with each other by a second or two. The puppet can't both use a job ability and cast a spell at the same time, so one has to wait for the other. I'm not sure if normal attack swings affect timers at all.


It was just last night I had Flash go off and then right afterwards a Cure III to itself. I just never seen both go off so close together and was wodnering if the Tactical Processor forced the Flash just before the casting of the Cure III.
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Cljader wrote:
Frame: Valoredge
Automaton's Attachments: All Recast Timers Are 0:00 and Ready For Use
Mob: Death Wasp
No Tactical Processor equipped

1) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
2) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
3) Master Uses Light Maneuver --> Flash Bulb is activated
4) Master Uses Fire Maneuver --> Reactive Shield is activated
5) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
6) Master Uses Water Maneuver --> (For Condensor Protection)
7) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
8) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber is activated



I can not confirm this to be the case. When I go to ENM60, I let my Automation tank. After I call the Automation(Valoredge), I let recast time go to 17:00 (3min waiting). Afterwards, I put one Earth Maneuver up and sends it to fight it does Shock Absorber all the time.

If I choose to do Light Maneuver or Fire Maneuver afterwards, Flash and Reactive shield and/or Provoke will fire as well.

This information is true for preupdate ENM60 fight. Not sure how update has affected this AI.
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Im going to conduct back-up test to try to confirm this experiment, but as of right now this is the best information we got until new testing is done. Back up tests are needed, and experiments need to be conducted on the tactical processor's relation to shield-bash as well.
Yeah, try to post your procedures with as much detail as possible so we can replicate the tests.

lol, I'm just disturbed that I see so many:

"nice job!"
"good job!"
"rate up!"
"well now that we've figured out what the tact proc does..."

Yet no one is checking to make sure the info is valid.






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we might be able to go 1 step further and figure out for sure what the **** Analyzer does
Do we even know if the analyzer affects shield bash? Or is this again like the tactical processor was: "we have no idea, so we're going to say it affects spell recast speed..."






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It was just last night I had Flash go off and then right afterwards a Cure III to itself. I just never seen both go off so close together and was wodnering if the Tactical Processor forced the Flash just before the casting of the Cure III.
Usually there's a full one-second pause; that's something to look into. The puppet can perform a melee strike and ranged attack at the same time though. The pauses only seem to be with job abilities and spells.

Edited, Jun 6th 2007 4:41pm by Nateypoo
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It was just last night I had Flash go off and then right afterwards a Cure III to itself. I just never seen both go off so close together and was wodnering if the Tactical Processor forced the Flash just before the casting of the Cure III.

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Usually there's a full one-second pause; that's something to look into. The puppet can perform a melee strike and ranged attack at the same time though. The pauses only seem to be with job abilities and spells.


I forgot to mention that I didn't have any Light Manuevers up but when I issued a single Light Manuever, that's when I saw the rapid Flash->Cure III event. Sorry for not posting everything. The only manuever I had up prior was a Dark Manuever.
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#28 Jun 06 2007 at 3:19 PM Rating: Default
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we might be able to go 1 step further and figure out for sure what the **** Analyzer does
Do we even know if the analyzer affects shield bash? Or is this again like the tactical processor was: "we have no idea, so we're going to say it affects spell recast speed..."


right now lets assume thats what it does do, but not say so with certainty..
this is mainly cos shield bash itself isn't particularly tested..
so at least if we can determine what shield bash is like for sure, then throw Analyzer into the mix to test - if it doesnt work, at least we will know what to rule out..

thats quite the problem with these attachments and testing them. we have to start with a hypothesis or else finding out a trend is pretty hard
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#29 Jun 06 2007 at 5:46 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not assuming anything. The attachment doesn't even say "shield bash" on it. The wording is so ambiguous that assuming it affects shield bash isn't even an educated guess; all we know is it somehow protects us from "special attacks" and they have to have been "previously used". I haven't seen anyone draw any conclusions on this, aside from some random noob saying, "hai goiz, i bat it halps sheild bazh!" If it were that simple, it just would have said "enhances shield bash" or "increases stun effect of shield bash". I think the hammermill text is further proof of that. I know SE's wording is obscure, but it seems ridiculous to introduce an attachment that directly enhances a job ability, without mentioning the ability.
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Analyzer: Possibly increases the chance to mitigate most of the damage some of the time, from attacks that an enemy may or may not have used during previous attemps....maybe



The attachment might as well have said this, same accuracy.
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Its funny you think you're making a good point, but posting it in a thread about Tactical Processor - an attachment with a description that does not support your reasoning at all. In fact, going by your reasoning at all, its not going to do anything, since it doesn't identify what it deals with.

Thats as good as saying, "Tactical Processor doesn't mention any attachment abilities, so it can't do anything with regards to that". However, attachment descriptions are all fairly ambiguous. I'm sure you know that not all attachments necessarily address the ability they involve. Not all equipment in the game address the abilities they involve either.

What I'm saying this - we don't know what Analyzer really does, but if someone says it felt like it affects Shield Bash, at least we can start from there.

analogy: someone says X + Y = Z (all are constants)
We know X, we're slowly finding out Y, so eventually we can prove whether Z is actually X + Y.

I personally think it affects resist rate from TP moves more than whatever else, but I'm not speaking for myself in suggesting what i stated above.


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I'm still not convinced the tactical processor affects job abilities in the way described, or that it's exclusive to job abilities. "Its funny you think you're making a good point" by using an attachment you know jack !@#$ about as a reference for an argument.

If you have little or no evidence, you're effectively taking a hypothesis and pretending it's a conclusion. You're not doing the community a service by implying attachments do something instead of simply admitting you have no idea. Lets try to stray away from that, because misinformation is worse than no information.

In fact, these threads are the perfect example of how damaging misinformation can be. Someone spent a lot of money buying a tactical processor off the auction, thinking it affected spell casting. Misinformation may have financially screwed him, if he could have better applied his resources elsewhere. We already have an attachment that says "increases frequency of spell use". Why everyone was dumb enough to assume subsuquent attachments with the same effect would be labeled differently is beyond me. If there's discrepancy in the wording it's probably because THEY DON'T DO THE SAME THING. If there's extreme vagueness where there has otherwise been a clear explanation, then you're likely making the wrong assumption. Now we have an attachment that specifically enhances shield bash, thus implying that attachments that enhance specific abilities are explicitly stated.

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I personally think it affects resist rate from TP moves more than whatever else, but I'm not speaking for myself in suggesting what i stated above.
That's the most likely conclusion from the wording. Why would you pretend it affects shield bash instead? Just because some little nooblet had a "feeling" that it did? I'm sorry, what was your "good point" again? At least find a reputable source before you go filling in the blanks.

analogy: A + S + S + U + M + I + N + G = W + T + F (all are constants)
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my good point, and i repeat.

someone says X + Y = Z (all are constants)
We know X, we're slowly finding out Y, so eventually we can prove whether Z is actually X + Y.

Solve by elimination of unknowns. seriously though I don't see your point of nitpicking about it.. why don't you go test it yourself?
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why don't you go test it yourself?
How much do you want from me? lol Nobody even cares what these attachments do? Are you content with fake answers until the same handful of people do all the dirty work for you? If you're not going to help, then get out of the way.
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The analyzer has absolutely nothing to do with shield bash. Like Natey said, it doesn't even say shield bash in it--who thought up that notion? What it does is weakens attacks that the enemy has already used, which happens to be exactly what it says it does; "mitigating damage of special attacks previously used." I went out and had it equipped while Flamingo's helldived my Campanello a bunch of times, and the damage would drop significantly over the time of one fight. It's part of the horological set, along with the heat seeker and pattern reader.
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why don't you go test it yourself?
How much do you want from me? lol Nobody even cares what these attachments do? Are you content with fake answers until the same handful of people do all the dirty work for you? If you're not going to help, then get out of the way.


Im saying if you bother to **** so much about it, do something about it instead of rat on other peoples comments on things.

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The analyzer has absolutely nothing to do with shield bash. Like Natey said, it doesn't even say shield bash in it--who thought up that notion?


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The most durable setup and a lot of fun if you are just in the mood to go kick some butt. This combination, with the right attachments, can actually tank pretty well for you and will Provoke and Shield Bash. You can even use Analyzer attachment to encourage your Automaton to stun a mob while it tries to execute special attacks or cast spells!
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lol, leave it to poof...

I think someone else probably started that rumor. Poof is all about stealing ideas, even if they're wrong.

Edited, Jun 7th 2007 3:13pm by Nateypoo
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Poof probably isnt the original source but the idea of it affecting Shield Bash came a **** long time ago, because it was the underlying theory about the attachment when Pichon was doing his testing.. of which he didn't actually do any for Analyzer in the end but left the theory there.
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The Shock Absorber attachment has a recast timer of 3 minute, however without the Tactical Processor it CAN take up to 4 or 5 minute before another stoneskin is activated, even if one is spamming earth maneuvers.
I finally tested this, using about 15-20 trials of the shock absorber, with 2-3 activations of the ability in each trial. All tests were done using the valoredge frame, without the tactical processor equipped.

I tested by activating the puppet. Using the recast timer as a measure, shock absorber activated at the 17:00 minute mark, 14:00 minute mark, and 11:00 minute mark. The recast timer was EXACTLY three minutes in all cases, with a possible 1-3 extra seconds added if the puppet was currently doing an action.

I don't know where you came up with the "up to 4 or 5 minutes" BS, but your claim is completely bogus. As I've stated before, I've use the flashbulb and strobe and have noticed the recast timers to be extremely precise, with occasional delays due to current actions. I also tried tanking myself so that the puppet would take no damage between recasts. This was to test to see if the stoneskin's duration was longer than the recast timer. The ability STILL fired off in solid three minute intervals.
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Good job Nateypoo

I am glad that someone can reproduce my results. I have no clue where Cljader got the 4-5min with out Tactical processor or how he conducted his test but I couldnt reproduce his results.

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I don't know where you came up with the "up to 4 or 5 minutes" BS, but your claim is completely bogus. As I've stated before, I've use the flashbulb and strobe and have noticed the recast timers to be extremely precise, with occasional delays due to current actions. I also tried tanking myself so that the puppet would take no damage between recasts. This was to test to see if the stoneskin's duration was longer than the recast timer. The ability STILL fired off in solid three minute intervals.



To contradict my study please provide more information than a vague paragraph, A vague paragraph Is Not A Test, did you use Various Attachments, Where is your Data, Did you test With and Without the Tactical Processor?? If you are Going too test this, don't do a Half A$$ job! Do a complete thorough study to show that there are no difference with and without the tactical processor, and provide Your Own Analysis to the Function of the Attachment. If your not going to do a detialed examination, and form your Own Inquiry Dont bother testing! I hate Half A$$ test, because they show nothing and bring nothing to the table



Edited, Jun 8th 2007 7:58am by Cljader
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#43 Jun 08 2007 at 7:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Cljader, what we are saying is that we can not reproduce your result.

When I tested it, my automation always used Shock Absorber at 17:00 (3min wait) after calling the automation. I do not have the Tactical Processor so I can not test this side of AI but we are finding that we can not reproduce your results with out the Tactical Processor equiped.

I'll run another test later tonight with a naked Valoredge and shock absorber.

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Did you test With and Without the Tactical Processor??
I'm testing that as we speak. But according to your information I should be getting shock absorber times of well over three minutes on average... The longest time I've seen so far is three minutes and three seconds. If anyone did a "Half A$$ job" it's you. I can't even tell what you did or what you were trying to prove from your writeup. I have no idea what you're doing to get such incredible variance.





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1) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
2) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
3) Master Uses Light Maneuver --> Flash Bulb is activated
4) Master Uses Fire Maneuver --> Reactive Shield is activated
5) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
6) Master Uses Water Maneuver --> (For Condensor Protection)
7) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
8) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber is activated
What are you trying to show from a listing like this? I really can't tell what you're doing or what this proves, if anything. Apparently you used some maneuvers and some stuff happened or didn't happen. Okay, that's cool. What time did you use the maneuvers at? How much time elapsed since the last time the abilites were used? WTF does this prove? It completely ignores the time variable! How can you conclude something based on time, without including time in your dataset?

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If three minutes had passed, I can guarantee you shock absorber will fire off. All you need is an earth maneuver up. There's nothing else to it. If the ability didn't go off, then you simply don't know how to tell time...





The major part of your argument seems to be that the tactical processor eliminates this excess wait time:
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I haven't seen a way to make the recast on shock absorber take longer than three minutes. I think this is proof that the job abilities are already reliable. Therefore, the tactical processor has no bearing on this. I don't even need to equip the tactical processor to prove your point is wrong. All I need to show is that the recast timer is predictably ~3 minutes without it equipped, which is exactly what I did.

If you have a way to replicate how to get recast times of greater than three minutes, I'm all ears.

Edited, Jun 8th 2007 11:54am by Nateypoo
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I just tested this also with almost every single part with a animation, I could find no variation between recasts that could not be explained away by slight lag. Stoneskin was always 3:00-3:06, Flash was always :45-:49, Eraser was always :30-:34 seconds, Replicator fired every minute, etc..

I tested these without Tactical Processor. Eraser was tested by using poison potions. For Replicator I summoned the SW frame outside Port Jeuno, zoned into Jeuno and assembled the VE, then went back out to Sau w/e and the VE had roughly 1/2 HP. At the same time I tested Replicator with the VE I also tested Reactive shield, which seems to have a slightly higher recast than Replicator and I'm guessing its 1:05-1:10 range.

I wonder, perhaps might the Tactical Processor effect parts such as Pattern Reader, Heat Seeker, and Analyzer? Seems like a logical path to test, yet I'm not sure how I would. If anyone has any ideas please let me know and I'll try them out.

Pattern Reader: Analyzes enemy attack pattern and gradually increases evasion

Analyzer: Increases chance of mitigating the effects of special attacks previously used by the enemy.

Heat Seeker: Analyzes enemy evasion patterns and gradually enhances accuracy.
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1) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
2) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
3) Master Uses Light Maneuver --> Flash Bulb is activated
4) Master Uses Fire Maneuver --> Reactive Shield is activated
5) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
6) Master Uses Water Maneuver --> (For Condensor Protection)
7) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
8) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber is activated


What are you trying to show from a listing like this? I really can't tell what you're doing or what this proves, if anything. Apparently you used some maneuvers and some stuff happened or didn't happen. Okay, that's cool. What time did you use the maneuvers at? How much time elapsed since the last time the abilites were used? WTF does this prove? It completely ignores the time variable! How can you conclude something based on time, without including time in your dataset?



This is what I wrote:

Frame: Valoredge
Automaton’s Attachments: All Recast Timers Are 0:00 and Ready For Use
Mob: Death Wasp
No Tactical Processor equipped

1) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
2) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
3) Master Uses Light Maneuver --> Flash Bulb is activated
4) Master Uses Fire Maneuver --> Reactive Shield is activated
5) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
6) Master Uses Water Maneuver --> (For Condensor Protection)
7) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber does not activate
8) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber is activated


That deosnt look like I ignored the time variable, I waited for adleast 3-5 minutes before using any maneuvers. After that time passed I proceeded with the maneuver as described above. Im the first to say everything needs a back-up test, but if your going to disprove an experiment you must test all ability attachments with and without the tactical processor and articulate your observations. Testing one attachment deosnt prove sh** theres all kinds of exogenous variables that can effect why you didnt see any difference testing one attachment. If you notice in my study, i used various attachment across two frames. However I only described the two extreme's, the automaton most responsive and the automaton most disresponsive to the manuevers in the experiment.

If you can do better and break the mystery of the tactical processor, Im all ears. But dont do a half a** test when you havent even use the tactical processor, plus only looking at one attachment two disapprove a more thorough experiment that looked at a multitude of things.



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The Shock Absorber attachment has a recast timer of 3 minute, however without the Tactical Processor it CAN take up to 4 or 5 minute before another stoneskin is activated, even if one is spamming earth maneuvers.


If you looked at that statement the key word is CAN,I spefically put that there to state it can happen, theres a possibility. It doesnt always happen, I experience this once or twice in my week's trial.


Most importantly the mistery of this attachment needs to be broken, if someone is willing to do another thorough examination that will be great. But until theres a more accurate test describing what the tactical processor does I stand by my experiment.








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I wonder, perhaps might the Tactical Processor effect parts such as Pattern Reader, Heat Seeker, and Analyzer? Seems like a logical path to test, yet I'm not sure how I would. If anyone has any ideas please let me know and I'll try them out
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Hmmm...This is a good inquiery of study, I think someone should look at this. But there a problem, we dont even know what those attachments do.
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#48 Jun 08 2007 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
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Umm.. okay dude.

Here, I'll spell it out the same way you did:



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Frame: Valoredge
Automaton's Attachments: All Recast Timers Are 0:00 and Ready For Use
Mob: Lesser Colibri
No Tactical Processor equipped


1) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber is activated


Frame: Valoredge
Automaton's Attachments: All Recast Timers Are 0:00 and Ready For Use
Mob: Lesser Colibri
No Tactical Processor equipped


1) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber is activated


Frame: Valoredge
Automaton's Attachments: All Recast Timers Are 0:00 and Ready For Use
Mob: Lesser Colibri
No Tactical Processor equipped


1) Master Uses Earth Maneuver --> Shock Absorber is activated






Repeat this list about 15 times.

Get the picture?






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Testing one attachment deosnt prove sh** theres all kinds of exogenous variables that can effect why you didnt see any difference testing one attachment.
I already knew for a fact that it didn't affect the flashbulb or strobe. Those are easy to time by just watching the maneuvers disappear. I also use the economizer frequently, and it always activates IMMEDIATELY when I use a dark maneuver. WTF would I need to test more? I KNOW you're wrong. I don't know what you did, but you screwed something up. If you're getting different times, then figure out why. Two other people are saying the same thing as me now. Congratulations on wasting all of our time. FFS will this **** ever end?

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Repeat this list about 15 times.

Get the picture?


Im sorry I dont get the picture, the piont is to test this and help the pup community. Im not sure what your doing...


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not to come off on a tangent here but.. what animators are you people using?

so far i've seen no mention of this, probably because people assume the only difference between the 2 is the hidden Dex+2.. but for the sake of experimentation can you document everything?
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Cljader wrote:
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Repeat this list about 15 times.

Get the picture?


Im sorry I dont get the picture, the piont is to test this and help the pup community. Im not sure what your doing...


I think he's just proving that the puppet does all of those things without the tactical processor. It's like claiming the processor allows the Sharpshot to use ranged attack because I had it hooked up, and he was shooting.

I for one have never ever noticed a delay in flash, provoke, or convert. Stoneskin may depend on not having the effect up already, and I don't use it often or pay much attention.

I'm going to have to agree that maybe you had some other factors influencing this if he didn't activate abilities immediately that had their recast timers up when using the appropriate maneuver.

I don't think anyone here is trying to be a jerk or pick a fight. Most of us have this attachment. Most of us could have sold it for a few 100k. Most of us would like for it to have a use. Your testing is appreciated, I just don't find it to be particularly valid.

We can at least all agree that it does make you overload more right? :D

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