Commodore Bottes +2 vs Navarch Bottes +2Follow

Which is the better Wildfire piece?

So far my macro uses Navarch+2 for the Fire Shot and then swaps in Commodore for a 2nd shot or for Wildfire.
It's become really hard to notice any distinct difference between the two in terms of damage.

They should be pretty close. Navarch's should be slightly better in most situations except if you are rocking high AGI and low MAB.

Navarch +2 is better, relic+2 is for brew/QD 2nd shot only.(Or QD when you're doing Last Stand)

I tested both long time ago on some EP mobs and relic+2 feet doesn't beat AF3+2 feet /SAM(no MAB buff either). I'm planning to do it again sometime on too weak mob to be 100% sure though.

It does depend on your gear you know. That you got different results doesn't invalidate the math. Your gear just happened to be so that AF3+2 boots were better.

Doesn't it depend on the mob? Since there is an fINT component (player AGI vs. Mob INT in WF case) to the WS damage equation, the higher the mob INT the more valued AGI is. Against level 1 mobs where the fINT is maxed, MAB will always make a bigger impact. This is why STR was always valued for physical WS against tougher mobs as fSTR wasn't capped in those situations.

So I suspect a gearset that makes AF2+2 better would be one that includes loads of AGI already, no MAB against lower tiered mobs. Whereas AF3+2 would win on anything that's tougher. But I am willing to be proven wrong as I've never been a math wizard and these equations always make my head spin.

That's a very good explanation.

My personal math works out to be (guesstimating a little because I am not sure of exact base AGI stats for 99 Elvaan COR):

((101+ 133*0.6)*5.5 + 8) * 1.32 = 1323.16 (So my difference of 80 extra AGI in your original example is surpassed by just 32 MAB, 8 less than the 2:1 formula.

If for example I used Navarch's Legs +2 instead of my Denali legs, the math would be:

((101 + 138*0.6)*5.5 + 8) *1.29 = 1314.38

If instead I had one extra AGI on those legs to hypothesize a perfect 2 AGI > 1 MAB scenario of Nvrch. Legs +2 vs. Denali, the math would be:

((101 + 139*0.6)*5.5 + 8) *1.29 = 1318.63.


Adding one AGI =

(1) (101 +1*0.6)*5.5 + 8) * 1 = 572.468, representing a ~9 point damage increase if the AGI = 0.

Adding 10 AGI =

(2) (101 +10*.6)*5.5 + 8) * 1 = 596.5, representing a 33 point damage increase over a zero AGI build.

Adding 100 AGI =

(3) 893.5, representing a 330 point damage increase (linear/10).

Adding one MAB =

(4) ((101) *5.5 + 8)*1.01 = 569.134 (5.5 damage increase over MAB=0)

Adding 10 MAB=
(5) ((101) *5.5+8)*1.10 = 619.85

Adding 20 AGI (2:1)=

(6) ((101 +20*.6)*5.5+8)*1 = 621.5

Adding 50 MAB=

(7) ((101)*.5.5 +8)*1.5 = 845.25


Comparing 6 to 5, and 7 to 3, we see that without the other stat, this is a sliding scale. However, realistic gear stat choices such as using Commodore Bottes +2 instead of Nvrch. Feet +2 (6 more MAB with loss of 13 AGI) provide:


Navarch +2: ((101+ 133*0.6)*5.5 + 8) * 1.32 = 1323.16
Commodore Bottes+2: ((101 +120*.06)*5.5 +8) * 1.38 = 1324.11

Conclusion: Side Grade. My future ballpark yay/nay decisions will depend more on a 2.5/3 decision for AGI over MAB, or 60-75% MAB over AGI given a single point of difference in damage.

While it's pretty close for Wildfire, the more significant difference is that Commodore +2 should be better for QD from a pure damage standpoint; i.e. you aren't going to benefit from the Nav+2 elemental resist down effect.

Particularly meaningful for a non-Wildfire COR. For me, COR has dropped to my 5th or 6th priority job so I'm not building an empy for it.