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#1 Jan 10 2012 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Ive begun the long painful task of collecting plates at 85-100k a piece and was curious if anyone else is doing it. Im sitting at almost 80 plates right now and am huying new ones and doing voidwatch as fast as the gil supply will allow. It sucks haveing to rationalize buying ammo and cards verse buying more plates.
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#2 Jan 10 2012 at 5:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Alobont wrote:
Ive begun the long painful task of collecting plates at 85-100k a piece and was curious if anyone else is doing it. Im sitting at almost 80 plates right now and am huying new ones and doing voidwatch as fast as the gil supply will allow. It sucks haveing to rationalize buying ammo and cards verse buying more plates.



I plan to after I finish Death Penalty(since alex/bullet price is eating all my money), I admit I've been struggling between doing 95 arma v.s DP, 95 Arma is a slightly better for VW and costs less to finish, while DP seems only shine in dyna with double dark weather. But I want DP for the longest time, been working on it even before Arma came out, while getting free/cheap alex from friends here and there. Can't really just stop there with all the emotional attachment on this weapon. I guess 95 arma won't start until next year(planning to finish DP within this year unless I get busy with RL or something), hopefully by next year ppl would still spam VW and have enough plates on the market.
#3 Jan 10 2012 at 8:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I wouldnt say DP is only good in Dyna. Both guns are very strong and I think possibly the added QD damage may make up for the lack ws damage. There sonly one person on ym server with DP and hes jp.
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#4 Jan 11 2012 at 6:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Alobont wrote:
I wouldnt say DP is only good in Dyna. Both guns are very strong and I think possibly the added QD damage may make up for the lack ws damage. There sonly one person on ym server with DP and hes jp.



Following the QD formula:

(2 * (Gun base DMG + bullet base DMG + Corsair's Tricorne bonus)) * (1 + (MAB / 100)) * (Elemental Staff bonus) * (Day/Weather Bonus)

Assuming I have both guns 95 and QD in my max dmg set which has 32 MAB in gears(you can get 8 more MAB from ring/legs if you're really pimp though), no tricorne for recast-5 on head, and using QD bullet which is MAB+20.

And assuming using Zodiac ring+elemental Obi to match specific day instead of Aquiline, so dmg+13% but MAB-3 on that specific day.

Also assuming I use Pluto's staff for DP to boost LS dmg, and vulcan's for Arma.

DP's QD dmg on none-dark/lights day with correct obi but using pluto's staff for WS:(2*59+89)*1.52*1.13=508
Since DP has 50% dmg boost, it's QD dmg is 762 on none-dark/lights day


On light/darks day:296*1.55*1=458
687 with dmg boost.


Arma's QD dmg on none firesday:318*1.55*1.15=566

On firesday:318*1.52*1.15*1.13=628


Therefore on Firesday DP will do 134 more QD dmg, 196 more QD dmg on earth/water/ice/lightning day, and 121 more QD dmg on darksday.


In VW my QD/WS ratio is about 1:3, in outside of VW like dyna is about 1:2 with 2 TP rolls, therefore in VW arma only needs to do 40~70 more WS dmg than DP to win, and outside of VW Arma needs to do 65~100 more dmg.


Considering WF average 1.8k~2k unless mob resists, and fire shot gives extra 300~400 dmg, it's very easy for Arma to catch up with extra WS dmg unless the mob has a dispel-able effect for dark shot to land(which is rarely)

If both weapons using Last Stand, following the physical WS formula, http://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Weapon_Skill_Damage
Arma using last stand has around 112 more WS base dmg, so it still wins.

Unless you have long down time to push QD/WS ratio to 1:1 outside of VW, or unless you're not using TP rolls and gain TP like a slug, I don't see how DP can catch up tbh.


Doing DP is really nothing but an emotional attachment tbh.


Edit: If I'm outside of VW and shooting for TP, DP may win with higher /ra DPS+WS frequency, but I almost never shoot if I'm outside of VW.












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Edited, Jan 11th 2012 7:59am by Afania
#5 Jan 11 2012 at 10:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Nope, kept mine at 85. Ukon to 90, then 95, then 99 first and all other upgradeable gear via gil before I worry about Arma further.
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#6 Jan 11 2012 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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As a COR main, I will eventually be doing this. But it will be a slow process of just doing VW and saving plates. I'll not be buying many plates unless the price drops. Hopefully by the time I get to this process, the requirement will have fallen, the price will be less or the drop rate will be increased.

In the meantime, I still have Isgebind to work on. And my next fun task is to actually level GS to 50, Alchemy to 80 and Synergy to 80 so I can synth O. Bullets. Was waiting to see what SE put out as high end ammo before committing to synergy and the other crafts. Sadly thats 25 levels of GS, 25 levels of Alchemy and 70 levels of Synergy. Fun Fun.
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#7 Jan 11 2012 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
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Alobont wrote:
Ive begun the long painful task of collecting plates at 85-100k a piece and was curious if anyone else is doing it. Im sitting at almost 80 plates right now and am huying new ones and doing voidwatch as fast as the gil supply will allow. It sucks haveing to rationalize buying ammo and cards verse buying more plates.

I've had my level 95 for about 2 weeks now.

No offense, but if you have to decide between consumables and plates, why are you even considering a level 95? 90-95 isn't much of an upgrade; hell even 90-99 isn't much to write home about assuming the 'Afterglow' is simply cosmetic like predicted. With Wildfire being magical, Armageddon is one of the Empy weapons that benefits the least from upgrading past 90 thanks to the lackluster AGI increases. The only reason I upgraded to 95 was because I don't plan on doing any other Empy/Relic/Mythic weapon, my other jobs don't particularly benefit from one, and I could afford it.

Edited, Jan 11th 2012 12:16pm by Chewzer
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Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#8 Jan 11 2012 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good
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Afania wrote:
Since DP has 50% dmg boost...

Is this accurate? I've always assumed that Death Penalty's 'Enhances Quick Draw' was a base damage increase like Corsair's Tricorne.

Edit: Now that I think about it, the straight damage % increase makes sense after seeing what kind of numbers DP's QD can do in Abyssea.

Edited, Jan 11th 2012 12:18pm by Chewzer
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Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#9 Jan 11 2012 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Chewzer wrote:
Alobont wrote:
Ive begun the long painful task of collecting plates at 85-100k a piece and was curious if anyone else is doing it. Im sitting at almost 80 plates right now and am huying new ones and doing voidwatch as fast as the gil supply will allow. It sucks haveing to rationalize buying ammo and cards verse buying more plates.

I've had my level 95 for about 2 weeks now.

No offense, but if you have to decide between consumables and plates, why are you even considering a level 95? 90-95 isn't much of an upgrade; hell even 90-99 isn't much to write home about assuming the 'Afterglow' is simply cosmetic like predicted. With Wildfire being magical, Armageddon is one of the Empy weapons that benefits the least from upgrading past 90 thanks to the lackluster AGI increases. The only reason I upgraded to 95 was because I don't plan on doing any other Empy/Relic/Mythic weapon, my other jobs don't particularly benefit from one, and I could afford it.

Edited, Jan 11th 2012 12:16pm by Chewzer



Sometimes ppl try to get specific gear not because of amount of upgrade it has, has nothing to do with "logical" or "irrational" decision, but more because of wanting some accomplishment or loving main job etc.

You see WHM mains do relic/empy club all the time, by logic it's a waste of money, in fact even doing Mythic club is minor upgrade and not all that worth the effort. But ppl still do it, for the sake of accomplishment.





#10 Jan 11 2012 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
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Afania wrote:
Chewzer wrote:
Alobont wrote:
Ive begun the long painful task of collecting plates at 85-100k a piece and was curious if anyone else is doing it. Im sitting at almost 80 plates right now and am huying new ones and doing voidwatch as fast as the gil supply will allow. It sucks haveing to rationalize buying ammo and cards verse buying more plates.

I've had my level 95 for about 2 weeks now.

No offense, but if you have to decide between consumables and plates, why are you even considering a level 95? 90-95 isn't much of an upgrade; hell even 90-99 isn't much to write home about assuming the 'Afterglow' is simply cosmetic like predicted. With Wildfire being magical, Armageddon is one of the Empy weapons that benefits the least from upgrading past 90 thanks to the lackluster AGI increases. The only reason I upgraded to 95 was because I don't plan on doing any other Empy/Relic/Mythic weapon, my other jobs don't particularly benefit from one, and I could afford it.

Sometimes ppl try to get specific gear not because of amount of upgrade it has, has nothing to do with "logical" or "irrational" decision, but more because of wanting some accomplishment or loving main job etc.

You see WHM mains do relic/empy club all the time, by logic it's a waste of money, in fact even doing Mythic club is minor upgrade and not all that worth the effort. But ppl still do it, for the sake of accomplishment.

Yeah, I'm well aware of people doing it for the accomplishment factor, but usually when they do they can afford it.

Edit: My bad. None of my business what someone does with their gil. Smiley: tongue I'm just argumentative today, apparently.

Edited, Jan 11th 2012 4:44pm by Chewzer
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Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#11 Jan 13 2012 at 9:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Chewzer wrote:
Afania wrote:
Chewzer wrote:
Alobont wrote:
Ive begun the long painful task of collecting plates at 85-100k a piece and was curious if anyone else is doing it. Im sitting at almost 80 plates right now and am huying new ones and doing voidwatch as fast as the gil supply will allow. It sucks haveing to rationalize buying ammo and cards verse buying more plates.

I've had my level 95 for about 2 weeks now.

No offense, but if you have to decide between consumables and plates, why are you even considering a level 95? 90-95 isn't much of an upgrade; hell even 90-99 isn't much to write home about assuming the 'Afterglow' is simply cosmetic like predicted. With Wildfire being magical, Armageddon is one of the Empy weapons that benefits the least from upgrading past 90 thanks to the lackluster AGI increases. The only reason I upgraded to 95 was because I don't plan on doing any other Empy/Relic/Mythic weapon, my other jobs don't particularly benefit from one, and I could afford it.

Sometimes ppl try to get specific gear not because of amount of upgrade it has, has nothing to do with "logical" or "irrational" decision, but more because of wanting some accomplishment or loving main job etc.

You see WHM mains do relic/empy club all the time, by logic it's a waste of money, in fact even doing Mythic club is minor upgrade and not all that worth the effort. But ppl still do it, for the sake of accomplishment.

Yeah, I'm well aware of people doing it for the accomplishment factor, but usually when they do they can afford it.

Edit: My bad. None of my business what someone does with their gil. Smiley: tongue I'm just argumentative today, apparently.

Edited, Jan 11th 2012 4:44pm by Chewzer


Affording it isnt the issue, I was making a slight joke, as in if I see plates I want to buy them but I know I sometimes need to hold that gil for ammo or cards.
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