Sep. 19 update: double-up, XI effect changesFollow

Double up change is welcome.
What did they do to XI's?

Is the sound effect new? Because last night I had a cor in a pt and when they rolled a XI a sound played sounding similar like brd's job emote.

You're welcome.

In all seriousness, I have no idea if they actually implemented this because of my suggestion or if they were already planning it, but I'm going to pretend it was me because it's good for my ego.

ASA legs totally unecessary in that situation. I spent several hours in a party just constantly rolling XI's on Tacticians and Wizards (just to see if I could keep the streak). Only once in all that time was there ever more than one second left on PR recast. And that was with constant rolling to get the next roll up or busted. No breaks to shoot a QD or WS between double ups.

I do love the new double up timer. Its up as soon as I've seen the roll number and determined whether I should stay or hit.

Nope was rolling back to back (with new double up recast) and never had it happen in over over 2 hours of constantly rolling Xi's on Wizards and Tacticians.

Of course I never had a VI back to back issue like I've sometimes seen. But PR was there everytime I needed it to be in what amounts to a 40 roll sample.

I don't do it that much either, but gave it a go in a Dom Ops party just to see how the constant XIs thing worked. Probably lowered my damage over all since I spent so much time rolling and not engaging. Few times it took almost the whole 5 min to get that next XI. Just bust after bust after bust.
Definitely think the XI thing is nice but its not going to noticeably change my playstyle in the long run.

The way I handle Cor rolls is I will not double up under any circumstances if I reach 7. If it's 1-6 I'll always take the chance, but if it's 7 or higher I won't risk the bust. Unfortunately it seems like every time I double up on a 6, even though the odds should be in favor of me not busting, I'll always roll a second 6 and bust.

I messed around with the new roll stuff and it is pretty nice, but the problem si the rolls are to short. They should go back to 10 minute 11s with this system and it would fit perfectly.

I only said the ASA legs were unnecessary whe you already had an XI roll up. Other situations I can see some usefulness. But 15sec vs 20 sec PR recast when you have an XI up. You'd have to run back to back 6's fairly often. In my experience as noted above it was rare and never happened in 2 hours of rolling.

Agreed. Let's say someone has a full 5/5 PR merits and an active XI (meaning 20sec PR recast), is shooting for XI on a new roll, and does the following roll sequence:

0:00: Initial Roll, roll a 4
0:01: Immediate double-up, roll is 5, leaving you on unlucky 9
0:07: Double-up, roll is 3-6, BUST (and note I gave an extra second after double-up timer should be up to account for lag, slow player reaction, etc)

That means you have a full 13 seconds to wait on the PR timer... and that doesn't sound like a highly unlikely set of rolls at all. Add 2 more seconds for every PR recast merit you don't have, so someone who didn't merit PR is sitting at 23 seconds until PR is up again. And that was starting with an XI in hand!

To say ASA legs are "unnecessary" in such a situation sounds completely off base to me - why would you not want to be able to re-roll 5 seconds sooner?

Even if you were comfortable staying on a lucky 5 (say it was Wizard's, Tactician's, Fighter's, whatever) and took a second or two to confirm the initial roll before your first double-up... that's STILL a 10+ second wait after busting.

Remember a couple things:
1) MACRO IN VISIBLE GEAR FOR PR!
Means you will avoid the animation-lock from the roll animation, allowing you to roll faster. You should be macroing in a visible piece for PR anyway, with Commodore Hat, Navarch +1/+2 gloves, roll-specific Navarch pieces. But if for some reason you aren't, swap something even if you're only doing it to blink. I personally do a swap for double-up too, just for the sake of being able to run around while rolling (say, I'm running between camps alongside someone and want to keep pace instead of freezing in place for a double-up animation). But for pure timer issues, regardless of whether you blink in double-up, you should be ready to roll again 5 seconds later when double-up is ready.

2) Unless you're planning to stay on a 2-6 lucky number (and say, bust it off yourself and leave the non-XI lucky on your party members), no reason to wait to identify your initial roll result before you double-up. If I know I'm going for XI, I hit the PR I want and then instantly hit my double-up macro.

Edited, Sep 25th 2011 3:17am by Anza